Xi Jinping plans India visit in post-election outreach

[t_co]

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...t-in-postelection-outreach/article5762159.ece

China's President Xi Jinping has expressed his desire to visit India later this year on what would be his first trip to the country after taking over last year.

The proposed visit is being framed by officials as signalling Beijing's intent to take ties forward with the new dispensation in New Delhi that will be in place after the Lok Sabha elections. Chinese officials conveyed the desire during last month's 17th round of boundary talks in New Delhi, sources familiar with the initial discussions said.

The details of the visit had not been fully finalised, and would be done so only after the Lok Sabha elections, the sources said.

Beijing, for its part, has made clear it is keen to establish a good rapport and take ties forward with the new government that comes to power, regardless of the outcome of the elections.

As is the custom with visits to India by the top leadership, Mr. Xi is also expected to travel to Pakistan. It is understood that he is also considering a visit to Sri Lanka in what would be the highest profile visit by a top Chinese leader to the country in many years.

The visit of Mr. Xi, who travelled to India many years earlier as a provincial leader, would be the most significant by any Chinese leader to India in many years.

Since taking over as the General Secretary of the Communist Party of China (CPC) and head of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) in November 2012, Mr. Xi has surprised observers with the speed with which he has accumulated power.

He has emerged as the most powerful leader since former Paramount Leader Deng Xiaoping, exerting direct influence over foreign policy, security issues and the economy in a way his predecessor Hu Jintao could not.

While Mr. Hu delegated economic power to the former Premier, Wen Jiabao, and was seen as having limited say over the PLA with no military background, Mr. Xi has centralised power by creating a National Security Commission and a central group for economic policy under his direct control.

While Chinese officials have acknowledged there is now some degree of comfort between Beijing and the United Progressive Alliance (UPA) governments following engagement over two terms, officials here also have warm recollections of their dealings with the National Democratic Alliance (NDA) under Atal Bihari Vajpayee, a leader held in high regard here.

In sharp contrast to the belated outreach from Washington, Beijing has carefully courted BJP's prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi, hosting him as Gujarat Chief Minister in 2011.

"If we look back at history, in 2003 the NDA Prime Minister, Mr. Vajpayee, paid a very successful visit to China and broke the ice between the two countries in some ways," said Lan Jianxue, a South Asia scholar at the China Institute of International Studies. "China is already acquainted with Mr. Modi. Whether the next government is NDA or UPA or somebody else, I don't think it will have a huge impact because the bilateral relationship is interest-oriented, not party-oriented."

I see Modi as being more likely to host Xi than a UPA or AAP administration, if only because it will be harder for his political opponents to paint such a move as being 'soft on China', given Modi's hawkish credentials.

 

[trackwhack]

You dont just declare yourself as the first dignitary to visit after a newly elected administration. You need an invite. And I dont think China will be the country getting it. More likely Abe. So dream on.

 

[roma]

This is the person who when he came to office , the first thing he did was to instigate a border incident in Aksai

He thinks India has forgotten and will turn to smiles for him.

Here is our response :-
Not necessary for your feigned friendship - be sincere by returning land stolen from us

Sorry our priority is for visits from Russian, French, USA, Canadian, British, Japanese, Vietnamese, South Korean
and a handful of other High level delegations

Then if yours is still on the cards, - it can be considered .

 

[t_co]

You dont just declare yourself as the first dignitary to visit after a newly elected administration. You need an invite. And I dont think China will be the country getting it. More likely Abe. So dream on.

I think you misread the article. Xi said it would be his (Xi's) first visit to India as general secretary, not as the first dignitary to visit after the 2014 elections.
@roma

No need to get emotional. The Chinese side views a border agreement as a prerequisite for top-level meetings as well.

Also, your imagined priority for visits is shared by neither the current administration, who invited Premier Li a short while ago, nor the NDA, who has a warm relationship with China going back to the late 90s.

Finally, China is the #2 foreign investor in Gujarat, and large quantities of Chinese donations funneled through Indian companies and JVs have subsidized Modi's campaign - something the IB and R&AW is blessing with a wink and a nod, it seems, just like Kejriwal's funding from the NED and CIA. Who do you think Modi will thank when he gets into office?

 

[prohumanity]

Narendra Modi and Raj Nath Singh ,both are disciples of Atal Bihari Vajpayee. Vajpayee went to China just after he became Prime Minister of India.
He said "You can not change your neighbors but you can change your friends" Modi also said recently that there will be no change in India's foreign policy.
He wants good relations with all neighboring countries. China wants good relations with India too. (read Chinese leaders speeches)
As for Tibet, no body in India really cares about much. Arunachal issue is being solved by dialogue. Russia is India's most trusted and time tested friend so there will be no change in the sweet ties Indians and Russians have. It might get even better with more new areas of trade besides joint production of high tech weapons. West will have to earn India's trust and stop playing Pakistani card against India as it will never work. India under BJP rule will not be easily intimidated .Wiki leaks revealed that "Modi is incorruptible" (read WikiLeaks documents)
Don't forget the arrogant big power humiliated a popular democratically elected leader like Modi by refusing to give tourist visa and again insulted 1200 million Indians by barbaric style arrest of Indian diplomat, Ms.Devyani.
Indians have memories like Elephants..they don't forget humiliation and insults . These narcissistic ,arrogant tendencies of West need to tame down if they want to have harmonious relations with Asian Giants.

 

[trackwhack]

I think you misread the article. Xi said it would be his (Xi's) first visit to India as general secretary, not as the first dignitary to visit after the 2014 elections.
@roma

No need to get emotional. The Chinese side views a border agreement as a prerequisite for top-level meetings as well.

Also, your imagined priority for visits is shared by neither the current administration, who invited Premier Li a short while ago, nor the NDA, who has a warm relationship with China going back to the late 90s.

Finally, China is the #2 foreign investor in Gujarat, and large quantities of Chinese donations funneled through Indian companies and JVs have subsidized Modi's campaign - something the IB and R&AW is blessing with a wink and a nod, it seems, just like Kejriwal's funding from the NED and CIA. Who do you think Modi will thank when he gets into office?

I did not misread anything. Chinese want to be the first to visit Modi's new government. Japanese overtures need to be countered. The Chinese know deep co-operation between India and China will snuff them out. So CCP is trying to pull a fast one. Not gonna happen. Fatman Xi wont get an invite for a long time, neither will Modi accept an invite to Beijing before he has travelled to Japan. So once again, stop dreaming.

 

[t_co]

I did not misread anything. Chinese want to be the first to visit Modi's new government. Japanese overtures need to be countered. The Chinese know deep co-operation between India and China will snuff them out. So CCP is trying to pull a fast one. Not gonna happen. Fatman Xi wont get an invite for a long time, neither will Modi accept an invite to Beijing before he has travelled to Japan. So once again, stop dreaming.

Er... where does the article say China wants to be the first to visit Modi's new government?

Also, I fail to see why Modi would decide to poison his relationship with China by making Abe the first dignitary to visit. It's far more likely he'd invite someone perceived as globally neutral, like Angela Merkel or Dilma Rousseff.

 

[t_co]

Narendra Modi and Raj Nath Singh ,both are disciples of Atal Bihari Vajpayee. Vajpayee went to China just after he became Prime Minister of India.
He said "You can not change your neighbors but you can change your friends" Modi also said recently that there will be no change in India's foreign policy.
He wants good relations with all neighboring countries. China wants good relations with India too. (read Chinese leaders speeches)
As for Tibet, no body in India really cares about much. Arunachal issue is being solved by dialogue. Russia is India's most trusted and time tested friend so there will be no change in the sweet ties Indians and Russians have. It might get even better with more new areas of trade besides joint production of high tech weapons. West will have to earn India's trust and stop playing Pakistani card against India as it will never work. India under BJP rule will not be easily intimidated .Wiki leaks revealed that "Modi is incorruptible" (read WikiLeaks documents)
Don't forget the arrogant big power humiliated a popular democratically elected leader like Modi by refusing to give tourist visa and again insulted 1200 million Indians by barbaric style arrest of Indian diplomat, Ms.Devyani.
Indians have memories like Elephants..they don't forget humiliation and insults . These narcissistic ,arrogant tendencies of West need to tame down if they want to have harmonious relations with Asian Giants.

Precisely. While China has made some rock-stupid mistakes towards India in 2013, none of these moves treated the Indian people as inferior... in contrast to what the US meted out to Khobragade.

 

[trackwhack]

Er... where does the article say China wants to be the first to visit Modi's new government?

Also, I fail to see why Modi would decide to poison his relationship with China by making Abe the first dignitary to visit. It's far more likely he'd invite someone perceived as globally neutral, like Angela Merkel or Dilma Rousseff..

you are mistaking Modi for MMS. So long.

 

[t_co]

you are mistaking Modi for MMS. So long.

No, I'm not. MMS has to be pro-Japan because his party was in charge during 1962 and hence cannot appear to be 'soft on China'. The ghosts of Tawang haunt Congress, not the NDA.

 

[Eastman]

Last time it was Ganja Mia, that didn't happened yet

ps: Ganja Mia= Nawaz Sharif.

 

[trackwhack]

No, I'm not. MMS has to be pro-Japan because his party was in charge during 1962 and hence cannot appear to be 'soft on China'. The ghosts of Tawang haunt Congress, not the NDA.

Modi does not mince words. He has already warned China and iis a long time friend of Abe. First international interaction will be with him. Whether he visits Japan or Abe visits India.

 

[Ray]

The Cold War is back with vengeance, as is being seen in Crimea.

New alignments are being made.

Xi is testing the waters, now that India appears to be disillusioned with the West.

 

[Ray]

No, I'm not. MMS has to be pro-Japan because his party was in charge during 1962 and hence cannot appear to be 'soft on China'. The ghosts of Tawang haunt Congress, not the NDA.

No ghost haunts anyone.

We have to move on.

All the shrill noise that one hears is political jockeying.

Can anyone change history?

But history can make a great brownie point in politics, especially during election time!

 

[prohumanity]

My prediction is that Modi will not only visit China...he will open doors for more trade and people to people contact and President Xi seems like a very sensible, harmony loving person..he will reciprocate.

 

[TrueSpirit1]

Precisely. While China has made some rock-stupid mistakes towards India in 2013, none of these moves treated the Indian people as inferior... in contrast to what the US meted out to Khobragade.

From Indian perspective, both China & US are 2 faces of same coin: neo-imperialism & uncontested hegemony.

However, China has much-less (actually, negligible) to offer unlike the Americans (& to some extent, Japanese).

Further, Indian connect with America is way more stronger due to diaspora, language & deep cultural interfaces & some purported shared values (shams like freedom, democracy, human-rights etc.). Both India & China realize & acknowledge this.

So, one can safely discount the possibility of any Indy-China detente. There would never be any engagement beyond commercial-economic. Rest are hollow verbal platitudes from both sides.

Co-optition (competition+co-operation ) with China is a moving goalpost & while we would see business-volumes rising at an unprecedented pace in Modi-govt., the face-off between IA & PLA would get increasingly tense. Plus, there is a distinct possibility of sustained skirmishes between the two, as IA would not be the one to blink first, unlike what we have seen so far.

 

[trackwhack]

My prediction is that Modi will not only visit China...he will open doors for more trade and people to people contact and President Xi seems like a very sensible, harmony loving person..he will reciprocate.

Thats exactly how Mao appeared to Nehru in 1962 and we all know how that turned out.

Of course there will be increased business with China. But China should know its place and shut its rabid mouth if it wants to do business. In the meantime there is going to be a massive turnaround of Japanese investments from China to Japan. These are all things that fatman Xi knows of. So of course he wants to nip in the bud any Indo Japanese economic plan.

 

[t_co]

Thats exactly how Mao appeared to Nehru in 1962 and we all know how that turned out.

Of course there will be increased business with China. But China should know its place and shut its rabid mouth if it wants to do business

I'm fairly certain Chinese diplomacy towards the subcontinent has been the most low-key out of any of the UN P5.

[/quote] In the meantime there is going to be a massive turnaround of Japanese investments from China to Japan. These are all things that fatman Xi knows of. So of course he wants to nip in the bud any Indo Japanese economic plan.[/QUOTE]

Actually, China doesn't 'know' that Japan is planning on repatriating its investments from China. Given the fact those investments are physical factories rather than paper securities, they are quite sticky/difficult to move as well.

 

[Pratap]

From Indian perspective, both China & US are 2 faces of same coin: neo-imperialism & uncontested hegemony.

However, China has much-less (actually, negligible) to offer unlike the Americans (& to some extent, Japanese).

Further, Indian connect with America is way more stronger due to diaspora, language & deep cultural interfaces & some purported shared values (shams like freedom, democracy, human-rights etc.). Both India & China realize & acknowledge this.

So, one can safely discount the possibility of any Indy-China detente. There would never be any engagement beyond commercial-economic. Rest are hollow verbal platitudes from both sides.

Co-optition (competition+co-operation ) with China is a moving goalpost & while we would see business-volumes rising at an unprecedented pace in Modi-govt., the face-off between IA & PLA would get increasingly tense. Plus, there is a distinct possibility of sustained skirmishes between the two, as IA would not be the one to blink first, unlike what we have seen so far.

Friendship between India and China is less possibility than a deer and lion remaining in harmony.

 

[trackwhack]

I'm fairly certain Chinese diplomacy towards the subcontinent has been the most low-key out of any of the UN P5.


Actually, China doesn't 'know' that Japan is planning on repatriating its investments from China. Given the fact those investments are physical factories rather than paper securities, they are quite sticky/difficult to move as well.

you know what I obviously meant was that more new Jap money is going to come to India and lesser to China.