Would you want to live for 1000-years?

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  1. Godless-Kafir

    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    A biomedical gerontologist and scientist Aubrey De Grey predicts that if the damage caused by aging is repaired, then humans can aspire to live for thousand years, bringing an ancient Sanskrit blessing into reality.

    Traceable to ancient Hindus scripts, the blessing "shatamaanam bhavati shataayuH puruShaH shatendriyaH aayuShyevendriye pratitiShThati"

    This is normally used by priests and scholars to bless people which means "live for hundreds of years" and De Grey's vision, if proved right may turn this blessing into reality. How soon is still debatable but not too far going by recent advances made in health care.

    Going by de Grey's predictions, the first person who will live to see their 150th birthday has already been born. Grey predicts that human lifespan could even reach 1,000 years.

    A biomedical gerontologist and chief scientist of a foundation dedicated to longevity research, de Grey reckons that within his own lifetime doctors could have all the tools they need to "cure" aging -- banishing diseases that come with it and extending life indefinitely.

    "I'd say we have a 50/50 chance of bringing aging under what I'd call a decisive level of medical control within the next 25 years or so," de Grey said in an interview before delivering a lecture at Britain's Royal Institution academy of science.

    "And what I mean by decisive is the same sort of medical control that we have over most infectious diseases today." De Grey sees a time when people will go to their doctors for regular "maintenance," which by then will include gene therapies, stem cell therapies, immune stimulation and a range of other advanced medical techniques to keep them in good shape.

    De Grey lives near Cambridge University where he won his doctorate in 2000 and is chief scientific officer of the non-profit California-based SENS (Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senescence) Foundation, which he co-founded in 2009.

    He describes aging as the lifelong accumulation of various types of molecular and cellular damage throughout the body. "The idea is to engage in what you might call preventative geriatrics, where you go in to periodically repair that molecular and cellular damage before it gets to the level of abundance that is pathogenic," he explained.

    CHALLENGE

    Exactly how far and how fast life expectancy will increase in the future is a subject of some debate, but the trend is clear. An average of three months is being added to life expectancy every year at the moment and experts estimate there could be a million centenarians across the world by 2030.

    To date, the world's longest-living person on record lived to 122 and in Japan alone there were more than 44,000 centenarians in 2010.

    Some researchers say, however, that the trend toward longer lifespan may falter due to an epidemic of obesity now spilling over from rich nations into the developing world.

    De Grey's ideas may seem far-fetched, but $20,000 offered in 2005 by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) Technology Review journal for any molecular biologist who showed that de Grey's SENS theory was "so wrong that it was unworthy of learned debate" was never won.

    The judges on that panel were prompted into action by an angry put-down of de Grey from a group of nine leading scientists who dismissed his work as "pseudo science."

    They concluded that this label was not fair, arguing instead that SENS "exists in a middle ground of yet-to-be-tested ideas that some people may find intriguing but which others are free to doubt.


    Will Human Lifespan Ever Reach 1000 years? - International Business Times

    I think personally it is going to be possible for Science to make you live for very long. They have already found an way to repair damaged genes. So if the possibility occurs would you want to live for 1000years?
     
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    yes, but only as a youth.

    Something like Twilight.
     
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    Ignoring the fact he is linking religion with science, I'm going to assume this can be achieved in the coming decades. Anyone here familiar with the film Gattaca? Perhaps this will become less of a choice in the future, and something parents will decide for their children.

    With the ability for us to live to 1000 years of age, some serious ethical issues do come up. One being that this will lead to increased overpopulation of the planet, which would put a strain on our resources. Another could be that this kind of technology would be abused by people whom most others would detest having their life extended; tyrants come to mind. Perhaps we can look foward to another 500 years of Kim Jong-Il. :D

    Then there is a more personal problem with this potential breakthrough, and it would be the immense loneliness someone could feel if they were able to extend their life as much as a millenium. The centuries would pass by, as all the people they once knew and loved pass away, the familiar giving way to the unfamiliar. Such an existence would be daunting, and ultimately lose people their sense of purpose.

    Appeal to emotion aside; it could also enable a much richer existence for people who feel that life is too short, and that there is too much to see and do for one lifetime. These people will be able to see what the future would have held well beyond their years, experiencing things we can only dream about or speculate on. That would be something to look forward to.

    Since the question is asked whether or not I would wish to extend my life, I would probably accept such a gift; so long as those close to me were also included.
     
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    Yes, but only so I could write the most detailed and awesome history book ever.
     
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    Leaving the physical side out of it, are human beings emotionally capable of handling living 1,000 years?? Physicially it is claimed by scientist if people all lived long enough everyone will develop cancer at some point?
     
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    S.A.T.A's pearls of Wisdom..... :namaste:

     
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    First will the human race survive another 1000 years? I have my doubts. In fact I doubt we might survive another 200 years considering all facts like screwing our own planet apart from the penchant from killing each other. Not to mention we are in the window for a major asteroid hit.

    That apart i would love to see the technological marvels of the day a 1000 years from now. I can't even imagine what life might be in that age. May be we could be going up and down the moon and Mars to visit out relatives who "immigrated" there.

    Yeah I would like to see all that, provided we as a species live that long.
     
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    At one point in my life Gattaca was my favorite movie! I totally agree with you, i think Gattaca showed a lot about what can happen when we have designer babies who can out perform regular humans.

    The worst part is what if the state takes over that Science and chooses who lives longer and who dies naturally at 80. The state may choose to prolong the life of its best citizens like Albert Eisenstein or the most productive citizens and we wont even question it once we get used to an idea, just like religion. Not to mention tyrants living longer and controlling a mortal group of citizens!

    Some people through History have over come the fear of death completely. I am reminded of an Japanese story.

    During the civil wars in feudal Japan, an invading army would quickly sweep into a town and take control. In one particular village, everyone fled just before the army arrived - everyone except the Zen master.

    Curious about this old fellow, the general went to the temple to see for himself what kind of man this master was. When he wasn't treated with the deference and submissiveness to which he was accustomed, the general burst into anger.
    "You fool," he shouted as he reached for his sword, "don't you realize you are standing before a man who could kill you without blinking an eye!"

    But despite the threat, the master seemed unmoved.
    "And do you realize," the master replied calmly, "that you are standing before a man who is ready to die without blinking an eye?"

    The warrior was amazed at his courage.


    What this story tells is that there have been people in History like Buddha or Socrates who have over come fear of death and where ready to die. Socrates did not even shut up when a democratic state threatened to execute him and he died speaking his mind.

    At the end what is the point of anyone living a 1000 years when they cant face death at 80yrs old! We have built this colossal society simply by running away from death, everything from modern medicine, technology, law&order to the atomic bomb we have created to protect and preserve our-self from the inevitable master of death. Even if we live a thousand years we should one day face death eventually.

    So its better to understand the relationship between death and life and what death really means.
     
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    The real significant question would be, "Will 'I' die in a thousand years" ?
     
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    It's a great film, and perhaps I am an optimist in saying this; but if humanities collective remains at the progressing rate it is; there is a good possibility that such a dystopian world can be avoided, even with our current technological growth in that direction.

    If it is an autocratic state where the government has ultimate power, then it will probably be those who are most productive and with the most power that will be allowed to live longer. This would be one of the most extreme forms of slavery imaginable; akin to an all-powerful communist state. Come to think of it, I think you would really enjoy reading George Orwell's Ninteen Eighty-Four, and you would see the connection I am making.

    I love stories like these, thank you for sharing it.

    Socrates was persecuted by a pervailing mob-rule mentality within the Athenian empire after its defeat at the hands of the Spartans, where the blind nationalism we have discussed before became the norm of his detractors and political enemies; particularly those in power. This is ignoring the argument for the moment that Socrates never existed, and that he was merely the imagination of Plato. I do gather your point though, and I admire the passion in it. Democracy is a flawed system that can lead to this very issue that Socrates was faced with, and was one of many reasons why Athenian society fell back into a dark age for the next few centuries.

    These are thoughts I strongly agree with, but as you know; this change can only come from within, it cannot be enforced by outsiders or by a government. My optimism leads me to believe that the people of a world a millenium from now will be far more enlightened than us, we will look like drooling, blithering idiots in comparison; perhaps 10,000 years from now we will look like neanderthals and cro-magnons, but there is a kicker to all this. They will also be far more understanding and will look back on our period with a much more sympathetic/empathetic light than how we look back on our own history now, assuming we don't destroy ourselves and erase our own history.
     
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    That was an awesome movie, i cant agree more on that but have u seen a animated movie called Wall-E? Where all humans turn into fat blubber unable to do any tasks relying on robots? Alread the firefox spell check has made me lazy enough to forget all my spellings, i cant even spell Socrates! :D

    Also What the future holds we never know. No one 200 years before us would have imagined all this. Also technology may hit a brick wall in many fields, example Computers double its capacity every 16 months as some point out but Rockets and jet engines have been stuck for the past 50years. The fast jet was the SR-71 and that was in the 60s. Similarly medicine has been stuck with no solutions for cancer or aids, i am sure they will over come it but some fields will grow faster than others and some may hit an iron sealing some where.

    Also 200 years back or even just 70 years back if anyone said the waring nations of Europe would be in an Union they would have laughed at it. Same way if i said 70 years from Europe and US will be in trade war which became an military war you will laugh at me now. Yet we will never know.

    I totally agree that Authoritarian,Communist or Socialist regimes will make it an state asset to control the people. I will read George Orwell some time but something tells me thats the only book you have ever read! :D

    I also question how such a thing will fit in a democratic society. Would the state just sit back and watch this happen or would they take control of it like the "War on Drugs" or "Steroids" or even Vaccination which is state run. I will remain a skeptic, that does not mean i am a pessimist.


    Welcome. Although in retrospect, the way you say "stories" conveys something else! :D


    He was a real life figure. He was the master of Plato as records sight. The point is as you said we need to look inward and not run away outwardly into make-up, religion or other entertainments. Some how the christians have convened the west that looking inward means de-progress and we may end up primitive. Matter of fact it would be the end of Christianity if we challenge the fears it uses to control us. Thats why its is so wrong.



    However i disagree to that point Tyson made in that Video you shared with me, where he states that we will end up super human in just that 1% of DNA!!! First of all he is a Physicist and Second of all the ladder of DNA is not a vertical graph where we go up from chimpanzee to human or down to pigs which is 98% human, its an Horizontal graph where we are one other variation of the same gene, it is the same gene expressing as a Chimp,Human the other 1% variation is already alive its called a Pig. Its is a VARIATION not an ADDITION of unheard new elements into our DNA. Whatever DNA we have the pig has 100%. If we realign the 2% of the Pigs DNA it will become a human, you are not adding to the DNA, you changing the sequence thats all. Much like a Lego set where you build different images with the same cubes.

    Also What if the whole world is Democratic and Capitalist? You may call me negative minded but at this rate of fear masquerading as healthy competition soon there may be trade wars, which will end up as real wars. Global trading blocks competing for resources, already India and China may fight for water.
     
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    I'd like to live forever.
     
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    Even after everyone is dead and the sun has ended?!!! :D
     
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    I think this is not going to be possible given the inherent limitations of the cells living beyond its lifespan. Everything has a expiration date, so does humans, only we can extend it a little bit by observing healthy food habits, stress-free life and regular exercise which in these days seem not possible given the hectic schedules we have.

    Rest is all imagination.
     
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    Some scientists have already stumbled upon something that prevents cells from dieing. That why i posted this, it looks like it may happen.
     
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    They have been stumbling upon many such genes under highly experimental conditions by combination of mutations/deletion of genes (usually transcription regulatory genes). Usually such genes have multiple functions and interfering with such genes for longevity will have some unknown/unseen side effects. And therefore its has not been possible for such research findings to come into the mainstream market.
     
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    I agree such stumblings keep happening, how ever this time it seems to be getting closer. I saw an report on TV, i cant find it. It was very scary. They used the injection on a mice and the old senile mice became younger! They are looking into that. Also on another front there was an noble price awarded for the finding something called telomerase, which is an atom which is responsible for replacing the old cell which after 50 cycles becomes smaller to frequent use.
     
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    I'm assuming other would also live forever and im hoping humans would be spread around galaxies by the time sun explodes.
     
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    We should focus on first unifying all the countries on Earth, before going to other galaxies.

    Otherwise we will end up making the same mistakes again.
     
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    What if your stuck with a job,people or a place you dont like? All eternity your searching for something better to do?
     

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