Would India lease a naval base to USA in the Indian Ocean??

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  1. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    Is leasing a Naval base to USA in the Indian ocean a good option for India? Is this a good solution to protect trade and stop Chinese encroachment? Discuss the complexity of this if it were to happen. Where?? How long?? what would be allowed to be placed there?? etc... Diego Garcia (British colonial territory) already leased but something closer to Asian continent.
     
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    If GOI to lease USN Naval base in IOR -

    Who might be approaching first? GOI to US or USN to GOI?

    And in both the cases what can be possible gains Indian establishment can have in exchange?

    I think based on above points, we can sort the possibility on Indian side.
     
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  4. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    No, it would be a violation of Indian sovereignty and a big indicator India is not going to be a major power. That is what countries do that cannot handle their own business.
     
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    There are bigger sovereignty violations going on by the Chinese in AP,Sikkhim,Ladakh,POK annexation of Tibet etc....
     
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    It gives USA access to the biggest gap in there naval bases worldwide and it buys India time to buildup and train to be a blue water navy.
     
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    USN will be more than happy to fill the remaining gap.

    However, later part is debatable as will US allow IN that much space to become Blue Water Navy & if it does will it be on total independent interests of IN/GOI or US interests served by IN.

    USN will give IN access to classified hardware & the training but I think in that case IN/GOI will be on more of receiving side & it won't be any partnership but USN influencing IN operations/interests.
     
  8. LETHALFORCE

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    It is obvious India and USA will have to increase their naval interactions with Chinese in Gwadar and in Sri Lanka , string of pearls etc..this would effectively stop any further Chinese encroachment. We already have standardized many naval weaponry with USA (P8I,Harpoons,Hawkeye,Phalcons etc..) and the many naval exercises.
     
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    Taking help from US to maintain dominance in IOR and giving US naval base are 2 different things.

    Its not wise to given US a naval base but we surely can allow them to operate their warships in IOR.

    China's ploy to building ports in Pak, Srilanka etc wont work. At time of a full scale war we can either bomb it or block it. The Gwadar port may be a concern as China will be having a rail and road supply route till the port from China.

    Besides US coming into the region with naval bases will surely make Pak happy. In case of war with Pak, US can influence India.
     
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    Pakistan would have little to no influence in this they are leasing Gwadar to the CHINESE (the enemy). Simple question these ports given to China are no big deal what if a Chinese Nuclear submarine were to dock in one of these ports is it a big deal then?? They already started docking in Burma. Land access by rail is difficult and easily destroyed, it is the Chinese naval buildup that seems to be unaddressed by Indian govt.
     
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  11. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    So India should sell out to the United States just because they refuse to handle their business with China? It is India's pacifism that has allowed those violations in the first place, becoming another subordinate of the US will not stop them from occurring. It will signal to China that India is all the more weaker.
     
  12. Rebelkid

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    Lease base To US ? no thanks...we can handle our own especially after Agni IV and Brahmas, NO point in being domesticated...
     
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    In any case few things are pre-requisites -

    1] GOI will have to overcome tremendous internal pressure & prove that Govt stand is not serving US interests but mutual or specifically Indian.

    2] US will have to assure that its partnership with Pak & Af-pak policy in not part of this move.

    3] Care to be taken that US Military buildup is not targeted to dominate Asia & will not turn into another US-Russia global power game.
     
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  14. LETHALFORCE

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    This is an interesting point Armand but if you have noticed Chinese do not play fair and they have proliferated nukes to our neighbor and gained access to the waters of the Indian Ocean, the government has been very slow to react, this is similar to the Nazis in ww2. India is not selling out but defending it's interests.
     
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    If we immediately jump to our big guns what do we have left??
     
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    Afghan war will soon be over and with it USA faces the chance of being squeezed out of Southeast Asia. It would not be any Af-Pak policy since it will not be used to fight the Taliban but to put the Chinese in check.
     
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    i.e when it comes to big guns, Agni V , Brahmos and nukes are weapons which more or less prevent war, my point is , India is capable of defending itself and we do not need to lease any bases to the U.S.

    Keep in mind the west wants and India - china conflict which both India and china best avoid, don't be too surprised of NY times or any American news papers starts talking about evil Chinese threats. This would also damage BRIC and prolly damage relations with Russia..
     
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    Even though US partnership with Pak can not be just withdrawn completely. GOI will keep Pak out of loop. Considering Pak-China closeness & being snubbed Pak will turn hostile. More tense environment in India at that point. Also it will be damn difficult for GOI to overcome the internal pressure.
     
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  19. Armand2REP

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    India cannot rely on the US to defend its interests... especially when it is the US that is arming Pakistan to the teeth. It is India that needs to lease a base so they can expand their influence.
     
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    Being exploited by one side just so one could fight another is nothing else but a sign of weakness. India can't hope to become a great power (let alone a superpower) if she does the same things little countries have to do.
    LETHALFORCE, do you actually support the idea that India should call for a US naval base just so US can fight a battle India obviously can't?

    Yes! One moment India wants to become a superpower, the other it wants to call for big boys to protect it?! This lease thing is in contradiction with Indian interests...
     
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    Giving a base to USN will be suicidal in terms of INDIA-RUSSIA relationship ...Better option to check PLAN SSBNs and SSNs would be installing listening ports in ANDAMAN and MALDIVES and developing a full fledged Naval Base from where E-2D , P-8I ,Tu-142 and some Su-30 can be operated ...
    But for a really credible naval force A fleet of SSNs is required which our govt. seems to have totally ignored.
     

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