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China is still ahead of India per H-Index. Something something about glass houses and stones.
yeah,
china got no free media,
its all state media,
so who knows whats real h index from china,

foreign ngo or other agencies dont dare to go to china,

and foreign media always keeps pretty hush hush over china otherwise them and others from their countries gonna get ass kick.
 

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Lets compare these two:
Indian OS

Chinese OS

I am kind of jealous of Chinese.
both are at different versions,
indian os latest version is 6.0
chinese os ubuntu kylin version is 14.10

China’s ‘home-made’ operating system isn’t home made at all, but maybe that’s OK

Like most governments, China’s has long been concerned about the security vulnerabilities that may come with using software developed in other countries. The biggest problem: PC operating systems in government buildings are almost universally run on Windows. For years, China has been trying to create a domestic alternative. Yesterday, the latest alpha build of its decade-in-the-making Kylin operating system went up for download.

According to Techweb, this latest version of Ubuntu Kylin – the version of Kylin that’s being designed for use by the public – still contains serious bugs, and important parts of the OS have not been translated into Chinese.

In fact, whether Kylin is even a Chinese operating system at all is debatable, although the Chinese media continues to describe the project as “home-grown.”

Development on Kylin began back in 2001, but in the early years most of its code wasreportedly copied from a US-developed operating system called FreeBSD. Since its 3.0 iteration, Kylin has been based on Linux (the OS famously named after its Finnish-American creator), and while the Chinese version (called Linux Kylin) has been used in government projects (including China’s space program), it hasn’t taken off with the public.

In 2013, Chinese authorities reached a deal with British technology company Canonical for the creation and release of a new version of Kylin based on the Linux distribution Ubuntu. This new version of the OS, called Ubuntu Kylin, first entered alpha in 2013. Several updated versions of the alpha have been released since then, but this week’s release of the latest alpha build reveals that there’s still quite a while to go before the OS is ready for prime time.

Still, it’s clear at this point that whatever the final version of Ubuntu Kylin looks like, it won’t really be “home-grown.” It’s being developed with the Chinese market and Chinese government specifications in mind, but it’s still being developed by a foreign firm and based heavily on foreign-developed open-source technology. In the nearly 14 years since the Kylin project began, China’s government seems to have concluded that China isn’t capable of producing a home-grown, from-scratch operating system right now.

Basing “Chinese” operating systems on open-source platforms is probably the next-best thing, though. It may not have the glamor and soft-power punch that China having developed a wholly unique operating system would have, but it also means that there’s a better chance the OS will actually catch on. Since lots of people in China’s tech industry are familiar with Linux and Ubuntu, switching to Kylin may be an easier step than switching to an all-new OS of some kind. And since the foundation of the OS is an open-source system people are familiar with, the OS may have more appeal for security-conscious users who might otherwise be suspicious of an OS developed by the Chinese government.

Ubuntu Kylin could be a tough sell to the general public, as most of the software and games popular with China’s PC users aren’t compatible with the new OS. But with official support for Windows XP – China’s favorite operating system – already ceased, China’s PC users will have to move on to something else sooner or later. Will they choose Ubuntu Kylin over newer versions of Windows? That remains to be seen. But this may be China’s best chance yet at getting PC users onto an operating system that isn’t wholly controlled by a foreign tech company.

https://www.techinasia.com/chinas-homemade-operating-system-home

now about neokylin,

China's replacement for Windows is an XP ripoff

China has been trying to move away from relying on Microsoft's Windows software for its government, enterprise, and education industries. The Chinese government originally partnered with Ubuntu maker Canonical back in 2013 to create an alternative to Windows, codenamed Kylin. While that initial effort didn't really take off, a new Linux-based operating system dubbed NeoKylin is quickly becoming one of the most popular alternatives to Windows in China.

Quartz has taken a closer look at NeoKylin, and it's clear it's simply a Windows XP ripoff. Built by Shanghai's China Standard Software, NeoKylin includes a Start menu with a skin that looks like the Media Center version of Microsoft's famous Window XP theme. It's shamelessly identical, even down to references to My Computer, My Documents, Control Panel, and even a Recycle Bin. NeoKylin also includes Word, Excel, and PowerPoint alternatives that look identical to Microsoft's counterparts, and are reportedly based on an old modified version of OpenOffice.

Dell is even selling PCs running the software in China, with more than 40 percent of its commercial PC sales shipping with NeoKylin. "The NeoKylin OS is available on Dell Latitude commercial laptops, Dell OptiPlex commercial desktops, and DellPrecision workstations," a Dell spokesperson told Quartz. It's not clear if Dell's machines run the same Windows XP skin, as there are alternative themes for the NeoKylin OS.

It's not surprising that a Chinese company has created a Windows XP alternative. The operating system is still hugely popular in China, with estimates last year suggesting that as many as 27 percent of all Windows machines in China are still running Windows XP. Microsoft was left "surprised" when the Chinese government announced its plans to ban Windows 8 usage following the end of support for Windows XP. Microsoft has continued to supply Windows 7 to the Chinese government.


http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/25/9396769/china-NeoKylin-operating-system
 

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both are at different versions,
indian os latest version is 6.0
chinese os ubuntu kylin version is 14.10

China’s ‘home-made’ operating system isn’t home made at all, but maybe that’s OK

Like most governments, China’s has long been concerned about the security vulnerabilities that may come with using software developed in other countries. The biggest problem: PC operating systems in government buildings are almost universally run on Windows. For years, China has been trying to create a domestic alternative. Yesterday, the latest alpha build of its decade-in-the-making Kylin operating system went up for download.

According to Techweb, this latest version of Ubuntu Kylin – the version of Kylin that’s being designed for use by the public – still contains serious bugs, and important parts of the OS have not been translated into Chinese.

In fact, whether Kylin is even a Chinese operating system at all is debatable, although the Chinese media continues to describe the project as “home-grown.”

Development on Kylin began back in 2001, but in the early years most of its code wasreportedly copied from a US-developed operating system called FreeBSD. Since its 3.0 iteration, Kylin has been based on Linux (the OS famously named after its Finnish-American creator), and while the Chinese version (called Linux Kylin) has been used in government projects (including China’s space program), it hasn’t taken off with the public.

In 2013, Chinese authorities reached a deal with British technology company Canonical for the creation and release of a new version of Kylin based on the Linux distribution Ubuntu. This new version of the OS, called Ubuntu Kylin, first entered alpha in 2013. Several updated versions of the alpha have been released since then, but this week’s release of the latest alpha build reveals that there’s still quite a while to go before the OS is ready for prime time.

Still, it’s clear at this point that whatever the final version of Ubuntu Kylin looks like, it won’t really be “home-grown.” It’s being developed with the Chinese market and Chinese government specifications in mind, but it’s still being developed by a foreign firm and based heavily on foreign-developed open-source technology. In the nearly 14 years since the Kylin project began, China’s government seems to have concluded that China isn’t capable of producing a home-grown, from-scratch operating system right now.

Basing “Chinese” operating systems on open-source platforms is probably the next-best thing, though. It may not have the glamor and soft-power punch that China having developed a wholly unique operating system would have, but it also means that there’s a better chance the OS will actually catch on. Since lots of people in China’s tech industry are familiar with Linux and Ubuntu, switching to Kylin may be an easier step than switching to an all-new OS of some kind. And since the foundation of the OS is an open-source system people are familiar with, the OS may have more appeal for security-conscious users who might otherwise be suspicious of an OS developed by the Chinese government.

Ubuntu Kylin could be a tough sell to the general public, as most of the software and games popular with China’s PC users aren’t compatible with the new OS. But with official support for Windows XP – China’s favorite operating system – already ceased, China’s PC users will have to move on to something else sooner or later. Will they choose Ubuntu Kylin over newer versions of Windows? That remains to be seen. But this may be China’s best chance yet at getting PC users onto an operating system that isn’t wholly controlled by a foreign tech company.

https://www.techinasia.com/chinas-homemade-operating-system-home

now about neokylin,

China's replacement for Windows is an XP ripoff

China has been trying to move away from relying on Microsoft's Windows software for its government, enterprise, and education industries. The Chinese government originally partnered with Ubuntu maker Canonical back in 2013 to create an alternative to Windows, codenamed Kylin. While that initial effort didn't really take off, a new Linux-based operating system dubbed NeoKylin is quickly becoming one of the most popular alternatives to Windows in China.

Quartz has taken a closer look at NeoKylin, and it's clear it's simply a Windows XP ripoff. Built by Shanghai's China Standard Software, NeoKylin includes a Start menu with a skin that looks like the Media Center version of Microsoft's famous Window XP theme. It's shamelessly identical, even down to references to My Computer, My Documents, Control Panel, and even a Recycle Bin. NeoKylin also includes Word, Excel, and PowerPoint alternatives that look identical to Microsoft's counterparts, and are reportedly based on an old modified version of OpenOffice.

Dell is even selling PCs running the software in China, with more than 40 percent of its commercial PC sales shipping with NeoKylin. "The NeoKylin OS is available on Dell Latitude commercial laptops, Dell OptiPlex commercial desktops, and DellPrecision workstations," a Dell spokesperson told Quartz. It's not clear if Dell's machines run the same Windows XP skin, as there are alternative themes for the NeoKylin OS.

It's not surprising that a Chinese company has created a Windows XP alternative. The operating system is still hugely popular in China, with estimates last year suggesting that as many as 27 percent of all Windows machines in China are still running Windows XP. Microsoft was left "surprised" when the Chinese government announced its plans to ban Windows 8 usage following the end of support for Windows XP. Microsoft has continued to supply Windows 7 to the Chinese government.


http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/25/9396769/china-NeoKylin-operating-system
OK
Chinese kylin is not up to the mark.
But what about our BOSS?
No one knows about what that damn os is.
How many students even run that os?
And BOSS is nothing but some variant of Debian.
If we take both os and the two countries approach to them, I still commend Chinese effort.
And any one can take Free BSD and develop their own Linux. There is nothing wrong in it and no shame in admitting .

BTW our discussion is about India and China.
Not China and US.
 

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They are investing in indigenous R&D especially since last decade,their science and Tech Universities are among best In Asia,just compare our Uni even though they are oldest in the World - Like Calcutta uni,now such in pathetic condition.

@Indx TechStyle
Lets hope modi changes it, he has started to reform education system
 

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I am actual sick of that ,it high time we stared stealing .It should be beg borrow or steal in technology.That the only way we will grow
 

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OK
Chinese kylin is not up to the mark.
But what about our BOSS?
No one knows about what that damn os is.
How many students even run that os?
And BOSS is nothing but some variant of Debian.
If we take both os and the two countries approach to them, I still commend Chinese effort.
And any one can take Free BSD and develop their own Linux. There is nothing wrong in it and no shame in admitting .

BTW our discussion is about India and China.
Not China and US.
Just by looking pictures you know about performance and user exp? The new interface of BOSS looks cool. Though not tried myself. Barring some old reviews, there are no new reviews. How about you download it and letting us know? ;)
https://www.bosslinux.in/boss6
 

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@Ancient Indian

indian os boss is not for commercial as far as know,

me thinks its only for govt. use at some branches,

if its nothing wrong from coping freebsd then where is the innovation.
 
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Just by looking pictures you know about performance and user exp? The new interface of BOSS looks cool. Though not tried myself. Barring some old reviews, there are no new reviews. How about you download it and letting us know? ;)
https://www.bosslinux.in/boss6
It looks cool because it is GNOME 3 desktop.

Why should I download it, when I have much more better option -not kylin- to go?

@Ancient Indian

indian os boss is not for commercial as far as know,

me thinks its only for govt. use at some branches,

if its nothing wrong from coping freebsd then where is the innovation.
You have to copy code at some point. It will be better if it was still at baby level.

My gripe is with the effort made by our government in introducing Linux to younger generation.

I think it is getting awkward post by post.
 

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China has an advantage of never really being colonized by a western power or RoP before that. Entire Indian system education/politics/military/justice/administration is just a continuation of British-Indian system under a different flag.
 

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yeah,
china got no free media,
its all state media,
so who knows whats real h index from china,

foreign ngo or other agencies dont dare to go to china,

and foreign media always keeps pretty hush hush over china otherwise them and others from their countries gonna get ass kick.
H-index has nothing to do with free media or state media. Look it up.
 

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then how you gonna or who gonna gave real data about h index.
I assume your question is, "How one is going to get real data about H-index"

Like this for example - http://researchguides.uic.edu/c.php?g=252299&p=1683205 . The number is derived from how many times an article is cited by other articles. Nothing to do with news media . There are a number of independent agencies that collect and report this information.
 

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Show it to your scientists at ADA, HAL and DRDO and ask them to put some efforts into the projects of national interest.
They are doing and the results shows it all-Indigenous fighters,SSBNs and AESA radars based on our research.Interestingly enough,HAL filed 773 patents in FY 2013-14,5 times more than entire Pakistan.

Now show this to your engineers at PAC and ask them to develop a damn ultralight aircraft without an official JV...Or even a proverbial agricultural engine!!!
 
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They are doing and the results shows it all-Indigenous fighters,SSBNs and AESA radars based on our research.Interestingly enough,HAL filed 773 patents in FY 2013-14,5 times more than entire Pakistan.

Now show this to your engineers at PAC and ask them to develop a damn ultralight aircraft without an official JV...Or even a proverbial agricultural engine!!!
Name your indigenous ssbns and aesa radars and mention their current status.
 

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In other words, even if you give me a budget of 1 billion dollars and tell me to create twitter in India, I cannot guarantee that I can make it happen in a time bound manner.
Pathetic. Guess you know not either how to make a twitter-like service or the power of a billion dollars.
 

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It looks cool because it is GNOME 3 desktop.

Why should I download it, when I have much more better option -not kylin- to go?
how is it better or worse? they are two different flavors of linux? BOSS is in Indian effort of deep customizing os for gov use. Kylin is paid outsourced ubuntu development.
ui is not all about os.. infact in critical areas it is response time/resource util that matters more. your crying is reminiscent more of adolescent low self confidence behavior.
 

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