Women Rescued from Saudi Diplomat's Gurgaon Home. Allege Torture, Sexual Assault

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  1. Screambowl

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    http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/tort...e-in-gurgaon-1215552?pfrom=home-lateststories

    NEW DELHI: Two women who alleged that they had been tortured, sexually assaulted and kept in bondage for months, have been rescued from the Gurgaon home of a diplomat from Saudi Arabia. The women, aged 50 and 20, who were from Nepal, had been employed as domestic helps.


    "We have been in captivity for around three to four months. They raped us, kept us locked up, did not give us anything to eat," one of the women told NDTV. They said when they tried to run away, they were beaten up.

    The incident came to light when a newly employed domestic help fled after seeing the condition of the women, sources said. She then contacted a non-profit -- Meitei India -- which called in the police. The complaint was backed by the Nepalese embassy.

    "These women were kept first at a hotel in Saudi Arabia, they were brought to India about three months ago," said Balkrishan Pandey of Meitei India. "They have been tortured and abused and they carry visible scars."

    Sources in the police said they did not know that the person involved was a diplomat.

    When they reached the house, they witnessed two Saudi women beating up the Nepalese women. The Saudi women even allegedly assaulted and abused the police party.

    A rape case has been registered but the police are a little unsure of how to proceed further, with diplomatic immunity being involved here. Senior police officers told NDTV that this was a case like no other and they will consult the foreign affairs ministry tomorrow to find out what rights the diplomat enjoyed.

    The Embassy of Saudi Arabia has said the allegations were false and contrary to the information they have.




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  3. Sylex21

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    Hopefully these people can be punished without causing some international incident.
     
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    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    Most likely nothing will happen . This is the norm in Saudi Arabia.
     
  5. hit&run

    hit&run Elite Member Elite Member

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    What do you mean by without making international incident ?

    If its been proved, the bastard should be shamed and kicked out the country with the very next flight. To the hell with Saudis, let them be unhappy. If these camel fuckers can't be shown door they will never learn.
     
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    Latest new from the Telegraph

    "The diplomat has been charged with rape, while his wife has been booked for torturing the two women," Gurgaon assistant commissioner of police Rajesh Kumar said. "The victims were allegedly sexually exploited by the diplomat and his embassy friends."

    But Saudi Arabia hit back today evening, accusing the police of violating the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations. The embassy of the powerful Gulf nation - India's largest source of oil - has complained to the ministry of external affairs which in turn has asked Gurgaon police for a "report", foreign office spokesperson Vikas Swarup said.

    But the case is also complicated by the fact that the victims belong to a third country, Nepal. Indian officials confirmed that the Nepal embassy too had been informed about the incident.
     
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    Hindustan Times posts more details of the abuse

    Reports said a case against the diplomat and "unknown people" has been registered at the DLF-2 police station under sections of gang-rape (376 D), rape (376), unnatural sex (377) and some other sections of Indian Penal Code including 342, 323 and 120B. No arrest has been made so far.

    The victims were often taken to other cities, including Nainital and Agra for two nights and three days to be offered as prostitutes, police said.

    When we were hired, the employer took us to Saudi Arabia for 15 days and we were kept in a hotel. There he did not touch us or misbehave with us but after returning from there in May he asked us to massage him. He then raped us and forced us to have unnatural sex and oral sex. After that, he offered us to his foreigner friends regularly,” the victim said.
     
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    tarunraju Moderator Moderator

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    Diplomatic immunity to an individual is ratified by the host country. Not just anyone who holds a diplomatic passport becomes immune.

    If India did ratify this goatfvcker's immunity (in good faith), then the most it can do is kick him out of the country. If it didn't, and he's merely holding a diplomatic passport, then it's Tihar soap-drop time.
     
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    Diplomatic immunity is respected in case of petty crimes, Rape is not a petty crime. The diplomats must be arrested and brought to book.
     
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    I wonder these Saudi woman use uber taxi in gurgoan
     
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    1) all saudis in india does not have diplomatic immunity.

    2) those 2 saudi woman assulted haryana policemen. strange why haryanvi jatt kept quiet? if i were there, i would have arrested saudi woman them personally:drool::drool:

    3) they will all get loose . money power:bplease:
     
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  13. blueblood

    blueblood Senior Member Senior Member

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    • Diplomatic immunity.
    • Naming and shaming could be always be done.
    • Survivors were Nepalese citizens.
    • Nepalese embassy should be at forefront of this issue not GOI.
     
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    jackprince Turning into a frog Senior Member

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    Diplomatic immunity is something that can be withdrawn even by the host country if the crime committed is serious enough, although that will potentially cause a strife between the 2 nations. However, this is an instance where India shiuld show some spine and not let that bastard go free. Further, I am a bit unsure if the family of the diplomat too enjoys diplomatic immunity. If not, that two wives should be charged for maximum sentences.

    When Indian govt. would be leery to antagonise Saudi Govt., they should not back out.
     
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    tarunraju Moderator Moderator

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    Those Nepalese are on Indian soil, the crime happened on Indian soil. It's India's responsibility to ensure the safety of legally residing foreign nationals on Indian soil (as with every country). If you read the preamble of your passport, the first thing it requests is your safety, from whichever country you enter using it.
     
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    http://indianexpress.com/article/ci...munity-and-can-it-be-waived-in-special-cases/

    Diplomatic immunity is a form of legal immunity and a policy held between governments to ensure that diplomats are given safe passage and are considered not prone to legal cases or prosecution under the host country’s laws.

    The Vienna Convention classifies emissaries according to three types of assignment: embassy, consular, and international organisation. The embassy is the primary diplomatic presence established by one country in another that it recognises. The embassy’s chief official is the ambassador, who serves as his country’s official representative.

    A nation has only one embassy per foreign country, usually in the capital, but may have multiple consulate offices, generally in locations where many of its citizens live or visit. The consulate, which is headed by a consul, provides government services to individuals abroad, most having to do with travel. The consulate issues visas to foreign nationals, issues and renews passports for its own citizens, and assists its citizens travelling abroad with issues of marriage, divorce, adoption, legal emergencies, and the like.

    A consulate may be managed not by a foreign service officer but a prominent national; such posts are of limited authority and the persons holding them are called honorary consuls. Diplomats posted in an Embassy get immunity, along with his or her family members. Similarly, the administrative and technical staff in the embassy will get immunity, along with one’s family. This is applicable according to the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations.

    For the diplomats posted in the consulates, they get diplomatic immunity except for charges of serious crime if a warrant is issued. But their family doesn’t get that immunity. This is based on the Vienna convention on Consular Relations.

    It is possible for the official’s home country to waive immunity; this tends to happen only when the official has committed a serious crime, unconnected with their diplomatic role or has witnessed such a crime. Alternatively, the home country may prosecute the individual.
     
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    Rowdy Co ja kurwa czytam! Senior Member

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    Someone was getting homesick it seems
     
  18. blueblood

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    I am not disputing any of your points. I am merely stating that India should not be the only nation making noise. Let Nepal take the charge with India in the backseat. There's a phrase in Hindi, "Udta hua teer pichwade main nahi lena chahiye". Literal translation, "You should not take a flying arrow up your ass".

    India should do what is precisely dicatated by law, nothing more nothing less.
     
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    jackprince Turning into a frog Senior Member

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    When there were similar instances in UK and USA where the so called diplomats went scott free, here the matter would be much complicated as Nepal is a vital ally of India and Saudi is a nation which is not only a major oil supplier to India, it is also one of the places where millions of Indians are working and a source of billions of dollars. More to the problem is that the Saudi embassy has already taken a stance, and they are not going to budge. The Saudi people don't give a damn to Indian law.

    But, IMHO India should pursue it and even if the Diplomat gets to get away due to his diplomatic immunity, all the bunch of his security guards who assaulted the police and his wife who tortured the women, should be brought to justice. Nepal is more important than Saudi, and people's sentiment is more important than diplomatic wheeling and dealing. Saudi cannot afford not to supply oil to India, particularly when Russia is in market and Iran will be happy to supply more. India recently actually increased buying from Saudi and UAE, and reduced buying from Iran during MMS regime after Obama pressure. I don't think Iran would mind supplying!

    Also, to those complaining about Devyani case or New Zealand diplomat case, rapes were not an issue in either of them. Further, rape and sexual abuse in itself is a huge matter in India, unlike either UK or USA, and if Modi govt. dithers and at least some of the accused aren't brought to the task, it will send a wrong message and give an weapon to the naysayers.
     
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    Victims have already left the country to Nepal, Saudi's will tell Nepal govt not to pursue this matter further. Sushma Swaraj will ask the diplomats to be deported from the country silently.

    I am surprised that there is no over the top outrage on some news channels which usually champion feminist causes. This incident would be a good instance to identify media houses which are Saudi friendly(funded).
     
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    angeldude13 Lestat De Lioncourt Senior Member

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    Sadist are present in every society. Let's not genralise saudi because of few bad apples.
     

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