Women in the army - A force or a liability ?

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  1. A.V.

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    The goverment has recently made it clear to the delhi hight court that women cannot be granted a permanent commission in th armed forces
    Currently, women are inducted in the army as officers under the Short Service Commission for a maximum period of 14 years. the GOI,s point in the court was
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    1>male and female officers are trained differently and that cadre management would become a huge problem if rules were to be changed.

    2>It further adds that granting permanent commission to women officers will have enormous financial implications.

    what do the members here think about this recent posture by the goverment please bring in your vaild points in respect to

    1. Is the goverment acting gender biased?
    2. How would the armed forces stand to gain by inducting more women in its ranks?
    3. isnt there an optimal solution for this problem considering all wings of the armed forces are facing shortage of mid-high level officers?
    4. Whats the status of other armed forces in this regard ? where do they stand on this?
    5. your own idea to solve this deadlock..



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  3. p2prada

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    No it is not. People tend to forget(maybe not) that Women can get pregnant. That means women are unavailable for duty for almost 3 years. Maternity leaves will make it financially unviable for the govt to permanently station women in the armed forces. It will mean training more women for replacement and the cycle continues.

    Women can no doubt handle administrative duties during war times. While we can have men take charge of actual military duties.

    If we do take women officers, the shortage will be even more severe if the women take maternity leave in just 3 or 4 years after joining the service.

    Also, women will be treated as second class citizens compared to male counterparts. They will have trouble getting promotions if there is a male colleague of the same rank available.

    All are debating the maternity issue itself. Some *****s give distraction as an excuse too. And generally women are looked at being soft, weak minded and not able to take decisions that may not be according to the book.

    I doubt there are many women involved in actual combat duties.

    I have no problems with women being able to take charge. But, it is very difficult to solve the maternity issues. We may have to look at the corporate world for solutions as they are also bogged down by the same issues. Just that the problems women face in the corporate world is lesser than in the military.
     
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    There are plenty of desk-jobs in the Indian armed forces, the signals, and other administrative positions, where women be given greater preference over men. Women in the army, and BSF in particular, are important since they can be deployed to frisk women moving between Nepal-India border, and Bangladesh-India border. Women civilians are used to ferry fake currency, drugs, for example, and hence women in the BSF is called for.
     
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    @tarun : Women are already in large numbers in IPS and BSF.
    The moot point is should women be given active/combat duty in the armed forces ?
     
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    That's a little tricky, but a good start towards that would be setting up an equal-opportunities commission similar to that in Britain. Rather than ground-combat, women can be given positions in the Air Force and Navy, and make sure that on their merit at least a few women commanding officers are created.

    As for ground combat, they can certainly serve under short-service, albeit prevented to marry (and preventing maternity leaves, etc.). I think such a code exists with some sections of the armed forces. AFMC for example, prevents its students from marriage during their course, and possibly during their mandatory service/internship.
     
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    women have active combat role in CRPF and police force... moreover women have active combat role in a lot of countries and they do not have problems..
     
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    a lot of countries would not have the conservative culture India has,although India has a rich history of ladies taking up arms to defend their king and country(rani lakshmibai)such an analogy would not hold completely true in the modern military setup for example a few problems that could occur on the frontlines would be

    1- Extra expenditure in setting up separate bathroom/toilet facilities for women to use may not be feasible in remote borders.
    2-Lodging facilities for women shall also have to be created anew in front areas.
    3-As earlier pointed out in this thread women get pregnant and would be unavailable for duty for long periods of time.Also the period of mensturation must be taken into account as many ladies feel sick during that time.
    4-in the worst case scenario if ladies are taken POW it could raise a whole new aspect of sexual torture and harrasement.
     
  9. K Factor

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    The problem is more with mindset than with the ones you quoted. Israel, US, UK has women soldiers in active duty in Iraq and Afghanistan, and so I don't think it is such a big deal if we get out of the mindset that women may prove to be a liability in the battlefield.

    Setting up 2 toilets would not be such a big issue, as all toilets are makeshift structure in forward areas.

    As to the POW scenario, I agree it is a valid and worrying scenario.
     
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    Speaking from the perspective of air force,think women getting into short service commission is just fine. This might sound discriminatory, but as it is known, women are family starters both in Indian society as well as general world. This is not an imposition but a norm of society. Infact, I personally feel that women would be a welcome among us since women are known to have better G enduring capacity than men in many aspects.

    However, right now is not the time since we are currently in the process of modernization and therefore its too risky for women to fly obsolete aircraft. Once we have a modern fleet in the coming 8-10 years of time, women may join short service commission. This was a smart comment made by Barbora sir as he was firm enough to express his views.

    Apart from air force, I think women can do a better job than men in the non-combatant roles. They are dedicated, hardworking and can be excellent team leaders in organization and management of the non-combat operations. Women are also known to leave men behind as an overall figure in academics especially in colleges and universities.

    This means that they can be a great asset to the now modernizing aeronautical and marine industrial complex in India. As our economy grows, our military industries will be more self reliant and therefore, women engineers, designers and managers would serve far better than men in these fields.

    Besides, the Indian society is not used to seeing women taken as prisoners of war. While I wouldn't hope to be taken as one, I still feel that the Indian society is too warm to lose women in the frontline.
     
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    No combat yet for women in forces: Govt

    NEW DELHI: The government on Monday ruled out any possibility of deploying women officers in ‘combat roles’ by allowing them to fly fighters or serve in the infantry or on board warships in the near future. Defence minister A K Antony, however, said the armed forces were closely watching the trend around the world to review the decision at a later date. Replying to a question from BJP leader Sushma Swaraj in the Lok Sabha, Antony said, “Gradually, they will play combat role... the day will come.”

    Recalling it was only in 2008 that the government had decided to grant permanent commission to women officers in some wings of the armed forces (like law and education), Antony said it would take some time to give them more challenging roles.

    Swaraj said that keeping in view the tradition of brave women in the battlefield, starting with Rani Lakshmibai, the government should think of creating all-women battalions to be led by female officers.

    No combat yet for women in forces: Govt - India - The Times of India
     
  12. Archana Ramakrishana

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    Women in infantry


    Why aren't women still allowed in the infantry of the armed forces? why are we still being confined to office work? We aren't delicate darlings. thre can be another Jhansi ki Rani among us in the future. If you still say that it isn't a male dominated society, then why don't we catch women marching towards the battle field with arms and ammunitions? trust me we have the caliber to come upto a male commando.:dfi-1:
     
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    welcome to the forum regarding women in infantry they are already on patrol duty please check relevant threads for updates and put your question there
     
  14. Archana Ramakrishana

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    What do the women do in patrol duty? Do they get a chance to visit the borders or areas at risk?
     
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