So I'm sure numerous people must have come across this article in the Guardian talking about how India was voted as the worst country for women among the influential G20 nations. Clearly it is important to have a discourse on this poignant issue which would have technically affected 50% of the population had women not been selectively killed. It is extremely unfortunate that there are no female representatives contributing to this discussion because it would have made for a far more balanced discussion. Nonetheless we can consider this to be a discourse from a male point of view. ****I'm not a mod, however since I'm starting this thread I would have to assume some responsibility were it to turn nasty. So I'm going to lay down some ground rules and request all of you to follow them. At any point if this thread goes to $h!t I will ask the mods to shut it down. Ground rules: I want the basis of the thread to a discussion of solutions and not merely the problems. Please try and tell us what you think should be done to resolve problems instead of just listing them Please do not attempt to mitigate the issue out of nationalist pride by using inherently flawed arguments of drawing parallels with violence against women in developed/Western countries and/or Pakistan (which isn't in the G20 list). Please refrain from personal attacks. Everyone has the right to disclose their opinion (as ludicrous as it may be) provided it is not an attack in of itself. It is already evident that this is a social issue and not particularly a religious one, so please do not go down that line. Keep in mind that this topic is about the state of women in India, so do not go on tangents about other nations/cultures (especially Pakistan) unless you can directly tie it to the argument at hand. Please do not keep harping on the details of the torture that you feel ought to be meted out to the perpetrators. Use common sense and don't act like @$$holes. Misogyny in India seems to come in two forms, one being a vestigial plague of the past and the second being the increasingly turbulent outfall of a rapidly changing society with a large population under the age of 30, which is not to say there's no connection. However I think tackling the issues by those categories might be more affective. It is highly disappointing to see the state of women in India and it certainly ought to be a national embarrassment. However what makes India special compared to many other third world countries is that there are actual mechanisms in place to resolve issues, its just that those mechanisms remain deactivated unless they are jolted. This explains why things actually happen once an incident like this draws widespread attention. This is also why I think the initial objective of the movement to protect women ought to be forcing the implementation of the system that's already in place (even if imperfect) instead of attempting to conjure up new policies that will only be added to the list of things to be ignored. For instance, there are clear cut laws about violence against individuals, yet in light of such incidents the "solution" ends up being idiotic legislature to "ban"all nightlife. So instead of better implementation of the laws already on the books there are new restrictions put into place further diminishing the freedom of citizens. Which means instead of using the police to curb violence (the actual crime) they are used to "crack down" on all partying. This is patently stupid. Furthermore it actually has a negative impact because there is now a shady illegal market supplying nightlife to a country that has a high number of young people who are increasingly urbanizing. This new black market is entirely based on corruption facilitated by an already corrupt police force and given its illegitimacy it is now free of moderation from actual crime prevention. I think the primary factors behind this idiotic logic are political in nature. First, to placate the largely ignorant conservative (voting) adult populace who support moral policing because they never had the opportunity to be worldly themselves which in turn made them very insecure. And second, to facilitate corruption that is highly beneficial to corrupt politicians themselves. This is also why I'm convinced that the solution cannot possibly be left to the political machinery but instead has to be fueled through well organized civil movements. After all, soon the demographics will go in the favor of the younger generation.