Winston Churchill wanted to gas Indian tribes: Historian

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    Winston Churchill 'authorised use of chemical weapons'

    Winston Churchill 'authorised use of chemical weapons' - Telegraph

    Winston Churchill 'authorised use of chemical weapons'

    The future prime minister sanctioned the 'most devastating chemical weapon ever devised' against the Russian Bolsheviks, according to a historian at the Wigtown Book Festival.

    Winston Churchill authorised the use of chemical weapons, according to the historian Giles Milton Photo: Getty Images
    By Rupert Hawksley11:41AM BST 01 Oct 201338 Comments

    Winston Churchill authorised the use of the “most devastating chemical weapon ever devised” against the Russian Bolsheviks at the end of the First World War, a noted historical author has revealed.
    Giles Milton, who was speaking to The Telegraph following his appearance at the Wigtown Book Festival to promote his new book, Russian Roulette, said: “Churchill, who was secretary of state for war at the time, wanted to really go hard against the Bolsheviks in Russia. He wanted to support the White Army in their fight against the Red Army but the Government simply refused to countenance that.
    “The British had developed this highly secret chemical weapon called the M Device, which is like a shell with a canister of gas on the end. It was developed at Porton laboratories in Wiltshire and described by the head of munitions as the most devastating chemical weapon ever devised. It had been invented but not used.
    “Churchill’s idea was to use the M Device against the Russian Bolsheviks. 50,000 of them were taken up in planes and then dropped on the Bolshevik Red Army positions and Bolshevik controlled villages in Northern Russia between August and September 1918.”
    Milton, 47, illustrated Churchill’s commitment to the use of chemical weapons, explaining that he had also supported their use against rebellious tribes in North India. “What I found really shocking was when he wrote this internal memo to the India Office, along the lines of ‘we should use it against the tribes on the North West front. They’re really troublesome, let’s gas them.’


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    “There’s a line in the memo that says, ‘I really don’t understand this squeamishness about poison gas.’ Today that reads pretty badly.”
    Milton, who has written a number of non-fiction historical books as well as two novels, explained that he had been researching his new book when he discovered a little known document in the National Archives compiled by British scientists who had been sent to Russia to record the effects of the M Device on the Bolsheviks. “You can imagine it’s not exactly nice stuff. If you breathe it in, you start vomiting blood and you become unconscious - it’s all pretty hideous. There were endless incidents. It’s fascinating, if slightly queasy.
    “The British play it down and say the fatalities were very limited but when you look at the Russian version of events, one soldier said that all 50 of his comrades were wiped out. It’s difficult to know how many fatalities there were but they dropped thousands of these things on various villages.”
    Due to the autumnal weather conditions, however, the M Device was not as devastating as Churchill had initially hoped and because they were too unstable to fly home, thousands were dumped in the White Sea, on the north-west coast of Russia.
    Asked what impact this revelation could have on the image of Churchill as one of Britain’s greatest historical figures, Milton said: “He’s a great Briton but there are other sides to his character. He was advocating the mass use of chemical weapons.”
    Milton's new book, Russian Roulette, is the true story of a group of British spies who were sent into Russia just after the Bolshevik revolution with the aim of undermining Lenin's plot to bring down British India.
    Russian Roulette by Giles Milton (Sceptre Books, RRP £20) is available to order from Telegraph Books at £18 + £1.35p&p. Call 0844 871 1514 or visit books.telegraph.co.uk
     
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    "There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is England".

    sir winston churchill (1874-1965)
     
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    No real evidence of these bizarre accusations, and Stalin killed more Russians than Churchill could dream of.
    The US developed and manufactured 35,000 tons of chemical weapons.
     
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    This story is all over the Brit tabloids to day.

    Here is a comment following one of the stories.



     
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    Churchill was a failed soldier whose only credential was that he was born in an aristocratic family. The fatso used to hate Indians and make hateful comments about Indians on regular basis. Only hollywood movies educated confused Indians see him as one of the 'good guys'.
     
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    Battle of Omdurman, dude. What have you done other than tap on a keyboard?
     
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    This is an internet forum, everyone here taps on a keyboard. As for what I have or haven't done is not for you to know. I don't give a damn about your left of right wing American political leaning. Churchill was a failed soldier, you 'taping' on a keyboard isn't going to change it.
     
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    Read your history, you great braying jackass. You are not a soldier at all, never will be.

    Churchill participated in a real battle.

    The River War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Another idiot for the ignore list.
     
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    The slimey fat ----er bastard was a barbarian savage.
     
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    He was an intellectual giant and probably the most prominent figure of the 20th century. Like every such figure he had tragic flaws which originated in the time and circumstances of his birth.

    The fact that nattering nobodies still try to attack him is just silly. History will remember Churchill and people will read his books far into the future, while the nobodies will be nobodies forever.

    Even reading his account of the 21st Lancers charge at Omdurman should make one realize he was a soldier.

    Indians will never forgive him for insulting Gandhi.
     
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    So only "intellectuals" and "soldiers" can critise someone ? That sounds elitist and not to mention totally wrong.

    He was a racist and committed genocide which resulted in the deaths of millions. He's no better than the likes of hitler,stalin, potpot etc. Vast majority of people killed because of him weren't engaged in warfare, obviously one isn't calling a soldier on the battlefield a murderer but he wasn't on the battlefield in bengal where countless civilians died.
     
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    The thread started with an unsubstantiated, if not totally false accusation, and proceeded downward from that point.
     
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    We won't forgive him for the genocide of Bengalis. Insulting Gandhi is way down the list. :)
     
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    fat [email protected] was a heinous animal.
    he must have authorised the use of chemical weapons on us indians.
    that fat [email protected] should be in the list of the likes of stalin,hitler and mao
     
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    Winston Churchill wanted to gas Indian tribes: Historian

    LONDON: Winston Churchill wanted chemical weapons to be used against "troublesome" tribes in north India during British colonial rule to suppress them, a noted historian has claimed citing an official memo.

    Giles Milton, who has written a number of non-fiction historical books, has illustrated Churchill's commitment to the use of chemical weapons, explaining that he had supported their use against rebellious Indian tribes in early 20th century when he was not the Prime Minister.

    "What I found really shocking was when he (Churchill) wrote this internal memo to the India Office, along the lines of 'we should use it against the tribes on the North West front. They're really troublesome, let's gas them," Giles was quoted as saying by The Telegraph.

    "There's a line in the memo that says, 'I really don't understand this squeamishness about poison gas'. Today that reads pretty badly," Milton said.

    The British historian made the remarks following his appearance at the Wigtown Book Festival to promote his new book " Russian Roulette", the paper said.

    Milton also claimed that Churchill sanctioned the "most devastating chemical weapon ever devised" against the Russian Bolsheviks.

    "Churchill, who was secretary of state for war at the time, wanted to really go hard against the Bolsheviks in Russia. He wanted to support the 'White Army' in their fight against the Red Army but the Government simply refused to countenance that," Milton was quoted as saying.

    "The British had developed this highly secret chemical weapon called the M Device, which is like a shell with a canister of gas on the end. It was developed at Porton laboratories in Wiltshire and described by the head of munitions as the most devastating chemical weapon ever devised. It had been invented but not used," Milton said.

    "Churchill's idea was to use the M Device against the Russian Bolsheviks. 50,000 of them were taken up in planes and then dropped on the Bolshevik Red Army positions and Bolshevik controlled villages in northern Russia between August and September 1918," he said.

    Milton explained that he had been researching his new book when he discovered a little known document in the National Archives compiled by British scientists who had been sent to Russia to record the effects of the M Device on the Bolsheviks.

    Asked what impact this revelation could have on the image of Churchill as one of Britain's greatest historical figures, Milton said: "He's a great Briton but there are other sides to his character. He was advocating the mass use of chemical weapons."
     
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    I would forgive him, I am sure at least few people on this forum think like me ! Gandhi was not a saint.
     
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    Well it was lucky that his government rejected his ideas of starting WW3.

    It would have been disastrous for UK if he had started it. Where would the tiny island go when USSR would leap on it?
     
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    The people he was planning to kill were not soldiers on battlefield but families of non-combatants. His whims resulted in the death of 4 million Bengali people, men women children, old young... you name it.

    What makes you think he was any better than Hitler?

    As for insulting Gandhi, you will see more Indians curse Gandhi than any European or non-Indian. His passive and self-destructive ways almost cost us our country. If he had lived for another 2-3 years, we would have been the size of Pakistan and Pakistan would have been of our size.

    See, Gandhi was a god to that generation who was brainwashed with no information or truth to make them see the reality. Today's generation is fed up, angry and knowledgeable. Gandhi name is waning away from Indian psyche and as the days of misrule continue, names of heroes like Bhagat Singh, Chandrashekhar Azad, Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose, Savarkar and even spiritual guides like Vivekananda are coming into the minds of the youth.
     
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