Will there be a new MMRCA tender ?

rohit b3

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There will be a point in the 2030s, when we would have -
-Su-30MKI
-Rafale
-Tejas
-Jaguars(being gradually retired)
-Mig29
-Mirage2000
-FGFA
AMCA(started induction)

Already 8 Types of Combat Aircrafts! Thats even more than the current 7 types.

And then MMRCA??

Really? 9 types? They gotta be kidding.

In the future,post 2040, IAF should only have -

Heavy - 270 Su-30MKIs and about 200 FGFAs
Medium - About 294 AMCA , 36 Rafales
Light - 200 Tejas mk1A/mk2

Thus 5 Types - 1000 Combat Aircrafts.
 

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In boost for 'Make in India', Dassault may manufacture Rafale fighter aircraft in India
By Manu Pubby, ET Bureau | 27 Nov, 2015, 07.05AM IST

NEW DELHI: India's largest-ever military deal is likely to bring in big business for the private sector with the French side looking to set up a production centre for the Rafale fighter aircraft as well as a low-cost executive jet in India, besides sharing vital aircraft technology for the indigenous Tejas project.

Officials familiar with the project have told ET that major partners for this 'Make in India' project are currently being identified by the French side and are likely to include Anil Ambani's Reliance Defence Systems, Noida-based Samtel and Bharat Electronics. These officials, both Indian and French, spoke on the condition they not be identified.

Spokespersons of the Anil Ambani-led Reliance Group told ET "there is no development". Officials on the French side told ET, on condition of anonymity, that the agreement between Rafale and an Indian partner will be on the lines of the 2012 agreement between the French company and the Mukesh Ambani-led Reliance Industries.

The NDA government had reformatted the UPA government deal and ordered 36 aircraft, instead of 126. The Rafale fighter deal, which will bring in at least $4.5 billion into 'Make in India' projects as per the contract being negotiated, is set to involve a third production line for the aircraft in India, French officials have told ET.

While two lines for the fighter are currently active in France at the same facility, a third line in India would take care of export orders for the fighters and also possible future orders by the Indian Navy and Air Force. The line would also support the production of a low-cost variant of the 'Falcon' executive jet for the Indian and Asian markets.

"It will not be possible to roll out any of the 36 fighters being acquired by India from the production line as it would take time to set up but future orders, including exports, will be fulfilled with the new line," a person involved in the discussions has told ET. "At most, the final painting of the last ten aircraft to be delivered to India could be carried out at the Indian assembly line. This itself is a very high technology process as the fighter has a special anti-radar coat," the person added.

Besides the joint production facilities in India, the French side is also set to transfer some key technologies to DRDO that would benefit the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) project. A complete list of the technology to be transferred is being finalised but would include several systems to make the LCA more effective.


Technology to be transferred includes the air intake system for the fighter, an undercarriage for the naval variant of the LCA, cutting edge radar absorbing painting technology as well as an integrated production line software and management system for the fighter aircraft.

While the main Rafale contract is likely to be signed this financial year, as was reported by ET, a separate contract for armament systems will be signed at a later date with French company MBDA. A partnership for transfer of technology and production could be inked with the Defence Research and Development Laboratory (DRDL) that specialises in advanced armaments.

Engineer-General Stephane Reb, Director of the International Directorate of the DGA (General Directorate for Armament) of the French Ministry of Defence is in New Delhi this week to finalise the inter-governmental agreement draft that is likely to be signed before January 26 when French President Francois Hollande will visit India as the Chief Guest at the Republic Day Parade.
 

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I have been saying it for a long time.... IAF should look at Mig 35 seriously as at US $ 35 Mil a piece its a steal and also a prime candidate for Make in India where Mig will be happy to shift its entire production line to India as they have very few orders!

@ Gadeshi, can you please confirm the bellow are possible?
  • 3 D Thrust vectoring mating for RD 33 OVT? Also can the engine be tweaked to 100 KN plus?
  • A dedicated Make in India line for Mig 35... Will Mig Corp be willing to set up the production in India?
  • IRST & AESA for Mig 35.... If yes which one and also specs of the new AESA displayed at MAKS 15 if you can spare the details?
  • OLS specs?
  • Supercruise?
  • Increased payloads?
  • RAM Coatings and increased CFC?
Please confirm this also :

At MAKS’2015, the KRET corporation unveiled a new version of the AESA radar developed by its member company Phazotron-NIIR for the MiG-35. Dubbed FGA35, the unit features more modern solid-state transmitter modules than those used on experimental AESA carried by a prototype aircraft mission in frame of the IndianMMRCA tender.

Importantly what will be the take away price per unit as per the above? The thing that is causing IAF to shy away from Russian mil equipment is the poor supply of spares and services. The only way Russia can amend this is by participating in Make In India (Mig 35 I hope) so that IAF does nt grumble like it does for Su 30's
Buying the Mig 35 means total dependence on Russia, something which is nevr gud as it leads to all sorts of squabbles at the highest diplomatic level..
 

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Buying the Mig 35 means total dependence on Russia, something which is nevr gud as it leads to all sorts of squabbles at the highest diplomatic level..
At this point of time, the 4th Gen is on the last stages of innovation and 5th Gen will be the cutting edge.
4th Gen planes will contiue to produce but the ones that are really value for money
Having said that, Russia can maybe give us ToT for MiG-35 (maybe even engine tech) but the the question is, should we really invest in another 4th Gen plane? We have Tejas ready to be produced, we have Su-30 mki being produced. We also have MiG-29 in inventory. So buying a foreign 4th Gen plane does not make sense as that will not give us advantage in the IAF 2 front war situation, nor does Rafale. Rafale is not the answer for Chinese threat. So best is to go for 5th Gen planes and tech. Just to put a point, at US$ 10 billion (2 billion less than Rafale) we can get thrice the nos of MiG-35 and also production line and ToT thrown in.
 

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