Will Pakistan finally stand up against US drone attacks?

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  1. AVERAGE INDIAN

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    The Peshawar high court has delivered a damning verdict on the strikes. Pakistan must now move towards protecting the security of its citizens

    Thursday’s landmark decision by the Pakistani high court in Peshawar is a remarkable document: Chief Justice Dost Muhammad Khan examines the US use of drones against Pakistan’s tribal areas and reaches several conclusions that, while obvious to most sensible observers, seem to have eluded American authorities for several years.

    The case was filed last year by Shahzad Akbar, of the Foundation for Fundamental Rights (FFR), a legal charity based in Islamabad. The case was brought by families of victims killed in a US drone strike on 17 March 2011. The strike – one of more than 300 Obama has launched at Pakistan – is infamous: more than 50 people were killed, including many community elders who had gathered to settle a local dispute over a chromite mine. For the locals it was the equivalent of a strike on the high court itself.

    The chief justice’s first finding is perhaps the most obvious: “[Drone strikes] are absolutely illegal and a blatant violation of sovereignty of the state of Pakistan.” The strikes are, he says, international war crimes, given that there is no state of war between the US and its nominal ally, Pakistan.

    It does not matter whether General Pervez Musharraf gave the CIA a wink and a nod when he was the country’s dictator. “[T]here is nothing in writing to the effect,” writes the chief justice. In any event, no government can legitimately authorise the murder of its own citizens – certainly not without a public announcement through the democratic process. Indeed, Musharraf is currently facing the music for a number of illegal acts he allegedly took while in office.

    The American use of drones is, in the chief justice’s legal opinion, wholly disproportionate under international law. He notes that 9/11 still provides the US administration’s pretext for a “global war on terror”, yet there has been “not a single … terror incident … anywhere in the USA” emanating from Pakistan in more than a decade since. How, then, can it be proportionate to kill more than 3,000 Pakistanis, including “infant babies, pre-teen and teenage children, women and others”.

    Rather than respond with force first and ask questions afterwards, the chief justice orders the Pakistan government to try to solve the dispute through the rule of law. The Pakistan government must make an immediate and genuine complaint to the UN. If the UN security council reaches the appropriate conclusion (which he feels legally it must, absent a US veto), or the general assembly adopts a resolution, and “the US authorities do not comply … the government of Pakistan shall sever all ties with the USA and as a mark of protest shall deny all logistic and other facilities to the USA within Pakistan”.

    Then he makes another self-evident pronouncement: the Pakistan military’s first obligation must be to preserve the security of its own citizens. The “security forces shall ensure that in future such drone strikes are not conducted and carried out within the sovereign territory of Pakistan”. Again, rather than shoot first, the government shall administer a “proper warning”; if this does not work, the Pakistan air force must immediately shoot down the drones. Even though I am American myself, I find it hard to argue with this unhappy suggestion: after all, if the Pakistanis were terrorising Texas with Predator drones, I would expect Barack Obama to send the US air force into immediate action.

    Ultimately, the US must bear full responsibility for its actions. “The government of Pakistan shall mak[e] a request to the UN secretary general to constitute an independent war crime tribunal, to direct the US authorities to immediately stop the drone strikes … and to immediately arrange for the complete and full compensation for the victims’ families.”

    This judicial decision is all about democracy and the rule of law. America has held itself out as a proponent of these ideals for more than 200 years. It is a shame that the CIA’s supposedly secret drones campaign marks such a sharp departure from both, following on from earlier policy catastrophes such as Guantánamo Bay and Abu Ghraib.

    In contrast, Saturday’s election marked the first time in its 66-year history that Pakistan has made the transition from one democratically elected government to another. The apparent victor, Nawaz Sharif’s PLM-N party, has promised to stop US drone strikes in Pakistan. The court’s decision will light a judicial fire under this vow.

    :plane::plane:

    Will Pakistan finally stand up against illegal US drone attacks? | Clive Stafford Smith | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
     
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  3. W.G.Ewald

    W.G.Ewald Defence Professionals/ DFI member of 2 Defence Professionals

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    Does the chief justice consider what agreement is in place between GoP and US regarding drone operations, that would make speaking of sovereignty and state of war (not to mention war crimes) irrelevant?

    If Pakistan "tacitly agrees" to drone strikes, does this ruling mean anything?


    Drone attacks in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    (Guardian is quite left-wing, I believe.)
     
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    parijataka Senior Member Senior Member

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    ^^^
    Pakistan's unofficial policy has always been to hunt with the hounds and run with the hare.
     
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    Bhadra Defence Professionals Defence Professionals Senior Member

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    The choice for Pakistan is simple :

    Drones or F-16 ?

    They can choose between the two...
     
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    If they resist then who will give money to Pakistan?Pakistan is not Iran.

    More ever Pakistani F 16's are under constant observation by US.So if Pakistani scramble their F 16's then US would know it.
     
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    rock127 Maulana Rockullah Senior Member

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    Pakis finally stands up? They would be asked to shut up and sit down again :lol:

    If Pakis do not cooperate then it would be bombed back to stone age.
     
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    probably not.
     
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    They have the pact with the Devil (???) in this case and they have to live with it.

    If you look at it every drone strike is rewarded by around US $ 10 Million plus odd change, so can they afford to stop the drones.

    And if PAF develops the balls to go after the drones then what will be the reaction of the Americans, I am sure they will not send their Foreign Affairs minister and neither will they treat as a case of acne.
     
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    do you think that these kind of arguments stand in court of law:confused:
    putting such agreement in front of court makes it clear that your actions are planned
    if any of the two governments goes by the above statement not only ex pakistani PM but also barack obama will have to face immense criticism who knows may be a trial too
     
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    actually its very good.to fight a guerrilla fight like a guerrilla
     
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    Will the GoP comply with the order of the Chief Justice?

     
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    sir, you did not get my point - pakistan has a foot in both camps i.e. while it professes support for WoT, it supports Taliban and hid OBL right under Uncle Sam's nose.
     
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    Pakistan is cursed. And it sends its troops for UN peacekeeping elsewhere. That does not make sense.
     
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    I think I just repeated the question in the subject of the thread.:notsure:
     
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    GoP can plead its inability to implement the order.

    a unrelated but a kind of similar situation, where SC of Pakistan ordered the arrest of sitting PM.

    He, was not arrested as law enforcement presented their inability to do so.
    Finally some compromise was reached.

    Rental power case: SC orders arrest of PM Ashraf – The Express Tribune

    http://http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/not-enough-proof-to-arrest-raja-pervez-ashraf-pak-s-anti-graft-chief-318666

    EDIT: link added
     
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    Even if they want they won't be able to stand up.
    More ever till Washington pays Islamabad $$$ Islamabad won't even bother if drones bomb Karachi or Islamabad itself.
     
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    These two are by far the best two comments in this thread so far, and rather funny as well. I cannot decide which one is better. :pound:

     
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    farhan_9909 Tihar Jail Banned

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    even though i dont believe in the words of nawaz

    but may be opposition leader imran khan force nawaz to do so.

    but i suppose initially they should end diplomatic relations with usa and stop the supply line of nato.

    than after few months start shooting the drones.

    End of diplomatic relation will bring peace in pakistan since CIA wont be able to fund the pakistani taliban and the border with afghanistan would also be fenced.

    we may see sanction and big talks from usa..since they are no more even in a position to attack maldives for the forseeable future.

    but atleast we will have peace in pakistan and would also be out from the war we are fighting against our own people for USA
     
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    In the world of farhan ---> :flypig:

    Perhaps farhan forgot what happened when his superior martial race never surrender Mushi refused to get into WOT.

    Musharraf : US 'threatened to bomb' Pakistan back into stone age

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    farhan_9909 Tihar Jail Banned

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    i dont know how much true this statement is.

    but we should have not accepted this at any cost

    now we are fighting against our own people for usa..
    enemy within family is more dangerous than a outsider..we should had waged war with usa but not our own people

    now what happens..usa accuse us for playing a double game..usa is our enemy and our own people are our enemy.

    this is high time we end all kind of relation with usa which indirectly will bring peace into pakistan.

    until and unless we have relation with terrorist factory producing machine CIA or in return usa..we will never have peace in pakistan.

    i dont know when our leader will get this into there mind that usa is the biggest enemy of pakistan not taliban
     

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