Will Pakistan Break Up?

[Zebra]

The Best one......

 

[ajtr]

soon their wont be country called Pakistan...................

What is the need for Pakistan jab Allah(SWT) ke fazal se poora hindostan hi mil raha hai.Allah(swt) ki aisi naimat hogi ki poora hindostan hi islamic green main convert ho jayega .Hindostan tab dar-al-islam kahlayega.

 

[roma]

make take is that it will but NOT via external forces - rather the peoples of the various regions will say that they have had enough of punjab's domination over them and that they are sure they are better off being independent - especially sindh and belouchistan - it is the pak people themselves who are fed up of the whole thing ...so it will be a long drawn-out process based on socio-economic reasons rather than anything else .... and the centre ( punjab ) will have little choice due to inability to keep it together by military force and coercion...... and btw i'd say the nukes would "safely" remain with punjab

 

[Zebra]

Three things:

1- Pakistanis themselves
2- Collapse of Nehru Dynasty in India
3- Imminent US invasion

+1
Indeed, it's sad but very true......

 

[rock127]

The Best one......

I saw another video where a Paki woman was crying in parliament. saying "Allah ke vaste aisa na karo mere pakistaneon"

Pakis are feeling the heat and know its their OWN fault but they hold India as the enemy and ignore the real enemy.Its like someone standing with a guns on the front gate for security but the people of the house are destroying the home within.

The falsafa... Pakistan itself is a MISTAKE... Bangladesh realised it 40 years ago after losing 3 million lives....Balochistan and SIndhudesh are realising too...and now Imran Khan himself admitted indirectly

 

[Sindhifreedomfighter]

We Sindhis will make Sindhudesh and our baloch brothers will make balochistan. Pakistan can hardly sustain this decade.. it should now break up.. it is an illicit country.. it is an un-natural amalgamation of four different cultures, nations and languages..
For further analysis why pakistan would break.. you should read .. books by GM Sayed, the founder of Sindhudesh Movement.

 

[ajtr]

We Sindhis will make Sindhudesh and our baloch brothers will make balochistan. Pakistan can hardly sustain this decade.. it should now break up.. it is an illicit country.. it is an un-natural amalgamation of four different cultures, nations and languages..
For further analysis why pakistan would break.. you should read .. books by GM Sayed, the founder of Sindhudesh Movement.

You are still in your fantasy land weaving your nonsense or do you need a visit to Mashaal Institute?

 

[spikey360]

That Pakistan should be broken up and will be broken up is a forgone conclusion. The question is now one of the timeframe we are looking at. This is an area where we really need to find out how far the United States is ready to go. If they are looking at this decade or next, then well and good. If not, then they must be made aware of how big a threat Pakistan is to the unity of world. The break up of the Soviet Union brought much needed cooling of tensions and reduction of the spectre of nuclear war. Imho, the breakup of Pakistan would be even more significant to world peace, as for the first time in history, we can have a world where no islamic country has a nuclear bomb. Now isn't that a goal worth fighting for, a goal worth dying for?!

 

[SADAKHUSH]

You are still in your fantasy land weaving your nonsense or do you need a visit to Mashaal Institute?

Why do you need some company?

 

[Bhadra]

What is the need for Pakistan jab Allah(SWT) ke fazal se poora hindostan hi mil raha hai.Allah(swt) ki aisi naimat hogi ki poora hindostan hi islamic green main convert ho jayega .Hindostan tab dar-al-islam kahlayega.

Strait from the Khwab of Deoband and dreams of Zahil Hamid..... keep this self indulgence on but it is harmful. For you Jihadies, India is Dar Ul Harb

Dar al-Harb (House of war)

Dar al-Harb (Arabic: دار الحرب "house of war"; also referred to as Dar al-Garb "house of the West" in later Ottoman sources; a person from "Dar al-Harb" is a "harbi" (Arabic:حربي)) is a term classically referring to those countries which Muslims have war with, in the matter of worship and the protection of the faithful and Dhimmis. Territories that do have a treaty of nonaggression or peace with Muslims are called dar al-ahd or dar al-sulh.[5][dead link]

In Reliance of the Traveller, point w43.2, a hadith is referred to containing the exact word Dar al-Harb. Scholars have, nevertheless, disagreed on its reliability as is commented in Reliance of the Traveller.[

 

[amitkriit]

You are still in your fantasy land weaving your nonsense or do you need a visit to Mashaal Institute?

Tell me how many pieces will Pakistan break into?

 

[spikey360]

Tell me how many pieces will Pakistan break into?

2.
One belonging to India, one to western powers.

 

[Singh]

^^ you can go live with them, we don't want any of them.

 

[spikey360]

^^ you can go live with them, we don't want any of them.

Naahh, we're not that silly. It will be like a buffer state. Like Bhutan, that's what I meant. Who wants Pakis? As it is we have some internal elements already, no one needs an added burden.

 

[Sindhifreedomfighter]

 

[parijataka]

If Pakistan splinters

Article is more than year old, dont know if posted already. Interesting observations by the author that Pakistan breaking up will hurt China and benefit India, Afghanistan and the West.

If Pakistan splinters : Indian Defence Review
By Bharat Verma

"If Pakistan splinters, it will hit the biggest stakeholder and benefactor China. In order to safeguard its strategic interests, Beijing therefore will make every endeavor to prevent the breakup of Pakistan, even to the extent of military intervention in support of the Pakistan Army."

The Chinese will suffer major setback, if dysfunctional Pakistan splinters in the near future.

Many Malaysian Muslims will hasten to tell you that their country should not be compared to Pakistan. Or the migrant Muslims in West Asia (Middle East) while introducing themselves take pains to assert that they are Muslims from India and not Pakistan.

Serious contradictions within Pakistan have pushed it in the pit of despair from where; it is almost impossible to recover. It is reported that many young Pakistanis out of sheer frustration are repudiating Islam and converting to other religions.

Possibly, majority of the Pakistan's dominant community, Punjabi Sunni Muslims living in their isolated world of self-destruction do not realize the damage they are doing to Islam.

Pakistan is appears to be hurtling towards self-destruction.

Beijing treats Pakistan as an extension of its war machine and a surrogate colony. The likely breakup of Pakistan in the near future will stall expanding Chinese footprints.

Impaired Pakistan is a cause of deep worry for Beijing, since Islamabad's capability to tie-down India by launching terrorist attacks will also suffer.

If Pakistan splinters, there will be enormous gains for India.

PoK will revert back to the Indian fold and peace will prevail. This is the singular reason for Chinese to move their troops into PoK. The strategy is two-fold. First, occupy or gain influence over as much occupied Indian Territory as possible, incase Pakistan breaks up.

Second, to keep up the pressure on Indian borders since Pakistan is no position to do the same, given its present internal disarray. Further, China does not want India to be emboldened to mount an attack on Pakistan, which is already gasping for oxygen.

With the break-up of Pakistan, ISI activities like export of fake Indian currency and infiltration of terrorists through Nepal will cease. Anti-India rabble rousing by ISI inspired elements in Bangladesh against India will no longer be possible.

The Union of India's consolidation and integration as a nation will get a new fillip, as the distraction created by Pakistan in the name of religion is eliminated.

India then will be able to concentrate on the principal threat posed by China.

Fragmented Pakistan will lesson the heavy financial burden placed on India's economy with drastic reduction in the security apparatus. This will enable young India to make rapid economic strides that can outpace ageing China in a short span of time.

Similarly, colossal gains accrue to the West, if Pakistan splinters.

The West led by America is losing the plot in Afghanistan because the problem is the Pakistan Army and its Irregular Forces led by General Kayani. Washington was forced to admit recently this worst kept secret, when its supply routes to Afghanistan were snapped by GHQ Rawalpindi and NATO convoys carrying fuel to Afghanistan were conveniently torched by the ISI controlled Ghost Army of Jihad with impunity.

American attempts to unhook Pakistan from China will continue to fail despite the dangling of carrot of modern weapons and technology as Islamabad's strategic dependency on Beijing is now irreversible.

American attempts to unhook Pakistan from China will continue to fail despite the dangling of carrot of modern weapons and technology as Islamabads strategic dependency on Beijing is now irreversible.
The 'real estate' of Pakistan was created so that the West could monitor and manipulate the former Soviet Union, China and India.

However, if Pakistan falls apart, Sind which has very strong democratic yearning is certain to charter its own independent path but in consonance with Indian value system.

Independent Baluchistan with its rich resources will be definitely against the Chinese, who in conjunction with Islamabad are exploiting its resources. Denial of Gawdar port will preclude Chinese navy from the warm waters of Indian Ocean and direct access to West Asia.

Afghanistan will gradually witness unhindered growth of democracy; the spoilers Pakistan Army with ISI would have disappeared.

Therefore, democracies will find many friendly places to operate from and access the resources of Central Asia to the mutual benefit of all players.

The biggest gain for the democracies will be that China's expanding authoritarian influence will be sharply curtailed. Also the Jihad fervor being orchestrated in this part of the world by the Punjabi Sunnis will die a natural death due to fatigue and lack of resources.

The spread of two authoritarian streams, Chinese communism and the Islamic fundamentalism, in combination or otherwise, threaten the survival of democracies in Asia.

If Pakistan splinters, one of the threats will be substantially neutralized.

This in turn will make Central Asia a safer place where Pakistan aims to attain strategic depth with the help of Islamic fundamentalists.

If Pakistan splinters, Sinkiang in China will face renewed instability and the Chinese flank in occupied Tibet will come under severe pressure.

With independent Sind and Baluchistan, the Chinese supply lines from Gawdar would not be possible. This will force China to revert to 'peaceful rise' instead of laying claim on territory or islands of other nations.

The power of the Shias will increase, thus creating a balance with some of the Sunni sects that are mainly responsible for terrorist acts worldwide. Two successive British Prime Ministers have stated Pakistan accounts for 75 percent of all such acts.

With independent Sind and Baluchistan, the Chinese supply lines from Gawdar would not be possible.
If Pakistan splinters, this percentage will drop to abysmal levels.

Most often remarks on Pakistan are prefaced by, " Just like you Indians cannot live with Pakistan"¦"

This premise is false. An average Indian can live with Pakistan, as long as Islamabad does not interfere in internal affairs or connive against India. It is irrelevant whether India dialogues, trades or maintains diplomatic relationship with Pakistan; growth of the Indian economy or the growing status of India is not even remotely connected with failure or success of Islamabad. The 'Pakistan Story' failed because of the inherent flaws in the values professed and not because of "Kashmir"! The "Indian Story " shows success because of its belief in secular democratic values.

The truth therefore is that "Pakistan cannot live with India." The converse is absolutely preposterous.

If Pakistan splinters, it will hit the biggest stakeholder and benefactor China. In order to safeguard its strategic interests, Beijing therefore will make every endeavor to prevent the breakup of Pakistan, even to the extent of military intervention in support of the Pakistan Army.

If Pakistan splinters, forces led by Barak Obama will win. On the contrary, if China is successful in its intervention, authoritarian regimes will hold sway in Asia.

Who wins the great game in Asia, will depend on the finesse with which the cards are dealt by the contending sides.

 

[SATISH]

Re: If Pakistan splinters

Finesse is not the answer her but brute force. It is like if technique and technology cant break a rock then invent a technology with brute force and strike it. But right now we would prefer Pakistan to stay the way it is and we dont want to unite the whole nation giving them a cause to unite.

 

[Virendra]

Threads merged :
Will Pakistan break up + If Pakistan splinters

 

[roma]

Re: If Pakistan splinters

"If Pakistan splinters, it will hit the biggest stakeholder and benefactor China. In order to safeguard its strategic interests, Beijing therefore will make every endeavor to prevent the breakup of Pakistan, even to the extent of military intervention in support of the Pakistan Army."

get dragon to realise that their ally was only punjab - and that ally :-

(1) is a relatively small territory with no resources, non-strategic location

(2) does not of itself offer a route to the arabian sea which dragon wants

(3) is itself only a middle-man which is controlling two (relevant ) neo-colonies and it is THOSE which provide access to the sea i.e. either beluchistan and sindh) and not punjab

and that (4) it is better to cut out the middle-man and negotiate direct with sindhis and beluchis,

and also that (5) they (dragon ) should consider the pak -punjabis as an unnecessary middleman .....that punjab will not be able provide a SAFE route to the Arabian sea

(6) instead of having an incompetent middleman (pak - punjs) , they ( dragon ) should do the management of route to the sea by DIRECT negotiation with belouchis and sindhis

then dragon will join the band-wagon for the LIBERATION of occupied territories , namely sindh and beluchistan

 

[Nagraj]

God help us if it breaks!
and we are in for a rough ride if it stays in its current state.