Wikileaks : Sonia Gandhi wanted to ban Bajrang Dal

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  1. parijataka

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    Sonia Gandhi wanted to ban Bajrang Dal for violence against Christians in Orissa and Karnataka but was prevented by MK Narayanan who said forced conversions by Pentecostal groups in Karnataka were the reason for violence against Christians.

    CONGRESS CONSIDERING BANNING HINDU FUNDAMENTALIST BAJRANG DAL

    1. (SBU) Summary: A prominent Catholic voice in the Congress party
    came away from a recent meeting with Congress President Sonia Gandhi
    and Indian National Security Advisor MK Narayanan feeling that India
    will probably ban the militant Hindu group Bajrang Dal as a result
    of the violence in Orissa and Karnataka. He believes the government
    will also take unspecified actions against Pentecostal churches that
    have allegedly engaged in forcible conversions and the distribution
    of inflammatory anti-Hindu literature. The contact refused to blame
    Karnataka's ruling BJP for the violence in that state and described
    the central government's unpublicized efforts to protect Christians
    in Orissa. End summary.

    2. (SBU) In a September 25 meeting, K.V. Thomas discussed Congress
    party thinking on the recent religious violence in Orissa and
    Karnataka. Thomas, currently a member of the Kerala state
    legislative assembly who previously served as a member of the Indian
    parliament, is a prominent Catholic voice in the Congress party.
    Thomas told post that he met with Congress party President Sonia
    Gandhi and Indian National Security Advisor MK Narayanan during the
    week of September 15 - September 19 to discuss events in Orissa and
    Karnataka.

    Government to ban Bajrang Dal?
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    3. (SBU) Thomas said that, based on his discussions with Gandhi and
    Narayanan, he believes the Indian government will probably ban the
    militant Hindu group Bajrang Dal, which admitted to attacking
    churches in and around Mangalore on September 14 (ref B). He said a
    Bajrang Dal ban could be based on the fact that the group is
    "terrorist" and "anti-national." But he added that Narayanan told
    him that "forced" conversions and anti-Hindu literature distributed
    by Pentecostal churches "are a big problem" that help fuel
    anti-Christian violence. Thomas said that the government will also
    have to take some sort of action against Pentecostal churches if it
    decides to ban Bajrang Dal. He acknowledged that it is not possible
    to enact an outright ban on the Pentecostal churches, but said the
    government will have to take some sort of action against them to
    curb their provocative activities.

    Don't politicize by blaming BJP
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    4. (SBU) Thomas resisted blaming the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP)
    for the recent violence in Karnataka. Echoing what we heard from
    Mangalore Catholics (ref B), Thomas said that "forced" conversions
    and distribution of inflammatory literature by the new Pentecostal
    churches in India has harmed the Christian community's previously
    harmonious relations with the Hindu majority. When asked whether
    the BJP government bore any responsibility for anemic police
    response to the church attacks, as well as for the violent quelling
    of Catholic protests in Mangalore on September 15 (ref B), Thomas
    said the police response was "understandable." "The police are 99%
    Hindu and their feelings were hurt" by the Pentecostals, he said.
    He said one should not "politicize the issue" by blaming BJP.

    Under-the-radar efforts to protect Orissa Christians
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    5. (SBU) Thomas explained that with parliamentary elections close
    at hand Congress had to carefully measure its response to the
    outbreak of violence. Many of the government's efforts to protect
    Christians are done in a deliberately low-profile manner according
    to Thomas. For example, he said, the government quietly sent to
    Orissa Central Reserve Police Force (CPRF) units from areas with a
    substantial Christian population. Thomas said that these units have
    a larger proportion of Christians serving in them, which would help
    counterbalance Orissa's largely Hindu local police forces.

    Situation under control, but expect continued problems
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    6. (SBU) Thomas told post that he believes the situations in Orissa
    and Karnataka are both largely under control. He told us that Sonia
    Gandhi and MK Narayanan asked him to help open a dialogue between
    Christians and Hindus, which he said he has already begun to do.
    Despite these efforts, he expects "low-level" problems to continue
    until after the upcoming Indian elections because of the atmosphere
    of heightened tension surrounding the elections.

    Comment: Election year means cautious Congress; mainstream Indian
    society suspicious of Pentecostals
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    7. (SBU) Comment: With an election around the corner, Congress is
    balancing the need to preserve law and order and protect minorities
    with its desire to avoid handing the BJP another opportunity to
    claim that Congress coddles minorities at the expense of the Hindu
    majority. Banning Bajrang Dal would signal that Congress is willing
    to risk losing votes from the Hindu right in hopes of consolidating
    minority Christian and Muslim votes. To ameliorate the impact on
    the Hindu vote, the party may pair its possible ban on Bajrang Dal
    with some sort of action against the Pentecostal churches. But
    there is something beyond politics at play in MK Narayanan and K.V.
    Thomas's easy acceptance of the argument that there is a moral
    equivalence between the thuggish Bajrang Dal and the followers of
    the New Life church. That an intelligence professional and a
    Catholic politician both feel this way shows mainstream society's
    deep-seated suspicions about the new Christian players -- especially
    the Pentecostal churches -- on the Indian scene. End comment.

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  3. MAYURA

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    Need of the hour is to expose sonia for what she is.

    a gaurang and sveta maleccha vishkanya.
     
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    Does anybody here condone what Bajan Dal did in Orissa? They should be banned.
     
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    but not before christian missionaries.

    you expect that after killing 7 unarmed men, public will not get enraged.

    if bajrang dal is to be banned for its later attacks, what about christian missionaries as a whole who have killed more people than these fringe violent acts ?
     
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    Bajrang Dal is necessary to maintain current demographics. Evangelists are the true culprit here. This article is more proof that Sonia Gandhi supports anti-national missionaries. As for Odisha, Christian Maoists instigated it by murdering a 80 year old Swami Lakshmananda. It was a spontaneous response to this atrocity and also a reaction to the fraudulent conversions done by aggressive evangelists.
     
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    Among all detrimental things that Sonia did to India, this was probably the only good decision. IMHO these Bajrang Dals and Kar Sevaks and Mujahideens and LeT are the two ends of the same rope. All of such groups need to understand that ends never justify the means.
     
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    And how many bomb blasts, terrorist attacks, killing of innocent people apart from a few incidents, have been performed by Bajrang Dal except for harassing some youth on valentine day? I am no supporter of these fringe groups but at the same time,the Mujahideen pose dangers for all humanity while these minor Hindutva groups are nothing but a bunch of jokers who make loud noises within India.
     
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    Das ka das Tihar Jail Banned

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    Please compare the body count of Hindutva groups and Jihadi groups. Hindutva groups have only formed as a reaction to Islamic and Evangelist atrocities.
     
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    And what do Bajrang Dal and VHP do for the cause? Do you see them taking out terrorists? They are too busy in beating teenagers on the streets and vandalizing private property. If they are a reaction to Islamic terror then they have failed badly.
     
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    Forgot Babri Masjid and aftermath?

     
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    arnabmit Homo Communis Indus Senior Member

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    Kill 10 or kill 50... Killing is killing.

     
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    Nopes, I do remember that. Which is why I am saying you can't find much incidents for Hindutva groups apart from a few.
    You should also read that what happened to Hindus in shitland and dalladesh.

    International reaction to the demolition of the Babri mosque - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Anyways, this incident is too old to harp on. The world realizes that where is the terrorism coming
    from except for my overly Dharmic and innocent countrymen, which is why they are being a victim.
     
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    I am fine with banning Bajrang Dal ........:namaste:
     
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    arnabmit Homo Communis Indus Senior Member

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    Point is... you cannot point fingers when there is even a speck of blood on your own shirtsleeve.

     
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    @ Das ka das...........Most of the Jihadi groups are banned. if they come back in different names, they should be banned again and their backbone should be broken by all possible means. Same thing is applicable for bajrangis too. They are as bad as their Muslim counterparts ; may be little weaker as they are not supplied by Pakistan. And why do you cry about demographic change? I am a Muslim by birth (atheist by practice). If I become Hindu or Christian tomorrow I will still remain a Bengali and an Indian. I should have the independence to practice or not practice any religion. Unless someone is pointing gun at my head to follow a particular religion I cant blame anyone. If missionaries spend for development work to attract people to their religion you can do the same to attract people to Hinduism. But noway you can allow thugs who dont hesitate to burn two kids alive with their father (and that father who was running a hospital for leprosy patient was never involved in conversion). These groups like Bajrang Dal and their Muslim counter parts (I cant remember their pecular names) are dangerous elements in the society; any little incident and they can come comeout to become the saviour of their men ;spread remour and make thing worse. So it is a need to track the activities of these thugs and keep a check on them.
     
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    Gujarat- Hindus Karsevaks are burned alive in Godhra
    Odisha- Maoists kill Hindu priest
    Karnataka- Blasphemous literature against Hindus

    In a hindu majority state if anyone mess with the majority community then this will trigger violence. Respect is a two street.
    In essence Hindus are passive people but then if you burn them alive etc don't expect that the volcano will not explode much to the disdain of the sickular cohort
     
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    The Hindu right does not need rageboys but rather it needs a cadre based org which emphasises social values,Humanitarian efforts and emphasis on equality with a heterodox priesthood.
     
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    So you riot against muslims ?
    so you kill xtians ?
    so you beat up girls and boys who like to hang out and drink beer ?

    In a non-failed State, if anyone breaks the law, the State should punish him.
    However, okay Hindus can get angry, but I get surprised when some people justify it, and some take perverse pleasure in it.
     
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    What aftermath?

    the riots were often started by jehadis to get apsaras of islamic swarg with molestation of then chaste hindu girls, which in turn led to a civil war of micro degree.

    a war always will have some casualties so there is nothing so bad about aftermath of babri masjid demolition.

    sometimes, killing one may save five as attested by bombing of hiroshima.


    The cases of rapes of muslim women and brutal killings were done by goons not at all affiliated to BD . The criminals always use riots to do such acts but disciplined organizations like BD can not be blamed for that.
     
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    It is these jokers who have stopped christianization of my state not armchair couch potatoes like me or you.

    Gandhi too used such remarks about patriots of country. so sad.
     
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