Why was Musharraf allowed to enter india on Nov 17, 2012?

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why was musharraf allowed to enter india on nov 17, 2012?

  1. Vote bank politics - please muslim voters and hate hindus -new meaning of secularism

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  2. we should never allow such scums to enter india again

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  3. we should arrest him and send him to pakistan to face charges

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  4. he should be allowed to enter india

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  5. world future and peace depends on such great leader

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  1. utubekhiladi

    utubekhiladi The Preacher Elite Member

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    Seeking a new start to relations, former Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf on Saturday said, between India and Pakistan, India had to be the one more accommodative because it was the bigger country, as a packed house at the HT Leadership Summit 2012 listened in rapt attention.

    Musharraf was delivering the keynote address, "Uniting South Asia: The Way Forward."

    No stranger to statesmanship, Musharraf harped on both countries displaying the right niyat, or intention, a word he uttered 11 times, and better leadership.
    "Compromise should come from the bigger party. India should have a big heart because it is the bigger country. When the smaller party makes the compromise, it can have negative connotations," he said, suggesting that the latter scenario could be misconstrued as the "bigger party" dominating the other.

    "It's doable," he said, talking of resolving Indo-Pak disputes, adding, "There are three essential pre-requisites."

    One, a "sincere niyat", he said again. Two, he called for downsizing the roles of bureaucrats and intelligence agencies, since they "find it difficult to break from the past". And three, all of this required a "leadership function".

    Musharraf also cautioned India on extremism, saying: "In India, one feels extremism among Muslim youth may be on the rise. Action would be required to neutralise it."

    Television journalist Karan Thapar, who chaired the session, introduced Musharraf as, among other epithets, a former dictator. To this, the former Pakistani military chief who took over his country's presidency in a bloodless military coup in 1999 said: "I wasn't a dictator. Just because you wear a certain dress doesn't make you one.

    Dictatorship is a state of mind. I don't agree I was a dictator…let's agree to disagree."

    He said India-Pakistan relations took the biggest hits whenever both the nations' intelligence agencies got into confrontation and, according to him, sponsored proxy wars. "This lead to a total breakdown of trust and, may I say, we became enemies."

    He alleged that because India was in the eastern camp during the Cold War era, its external intelligence agency R&AW and KGB created problems in Balochistan. "But that is a thing of the past. It should not be repeated. That can lead to confrontation again."

    In a new prescription for the two countries that have fought three wars, Musharraf said: "A step-wise progress doesn't work because I may want a different step."
    Musharraf called Siachen a "minor issue". "We had identified solutions for both Siachen, it's just about fixing a line, and Sir Creek issue".

    Both India and Pakistan have disputed territorial claims in Siachen in Kashmir, and Sir Creek, a water strip off India's Gujarat coast.

    The former president, who now alternates between residing in London and Dubai and lives off international paid-for speaking engagements, said Afghanistan could face two scenarios when US troops pull out in 2014. "Either Afghanistan goes back to 1989, when the Soviets left and warlords began fighting, or it goes back to 1996, when the Taliban came. If the US leaves a minimum force, then the situation should be maintainable."
    He rejected the view among many that Pakistani intelligence knew al-Qaeda leader Osama bin-Laden was in hiding in Pakistan. "There was no complicity. I am 500% sure. There was negligence." So, was Pakistan's intelligence sleeping, Thapar asked. "Even CIA could not see 9/11 happening. Were they sleeping? You should allow the ISI to sleep once (in a while)," Musharraf replied in his wry humour.


    why was an anti-indian element, a corrupt pakistani dictator, a political murderer, who was reason behind kargil war, parliament attacks, who gave 5 lakh ruppee to terrorist for beheading Indian soldiers, who dont have BALLS to go back to his country was allowed to enter india and given so much important?

    should we not arrest him and send him back to bakistan to face his charges?
     
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  3. Yusuf

    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    Who made the poll options? Bloody hell he should be arrested for Kargil war and the blood of 527 Indian soldiers. But then cutting across party divide, he has been invited again and again and also in private capacities to attend lectures for money. He has been coming here since the flop Agra summit.
     
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    musharraf don't have any political/military position as on today or noway in the near future
    why did some one invite him to india at first, even then why did he accept it?

    we donot have any need to arrest him. Pakistan wants him more.if we arrest him what charges are going to be levied on him?this decision will back fire

    why should we hand him over to bakistan and make it a diplomatic success for them, does it worth that much?


    in the present state of turmoil in pakistan i think its better to make friendly relations with as many as possible,a s much as possible
     
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    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    Musharraf is lying like crazy on Bloomberg TV With Tim Sebastian and Jaswant Singh
     
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    hello_10 Tihar Jail Banned

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    Western nations use Pakistan as an arm against India, like how pakistan served its purpose since 1947, as guided by the Britain/US/West, including during Cold War by full support of Western arms for Pakistan. and this Mr Musharraf is their Pet Dog, to help the Western nations solves their geo-politcal issues against India, by using pakistan as a gun on India............

    when we talk to a pakistani nationalist, he/she would only be concered with good of pakistan while the people like Mr Musharraf are of the purpose to help the Western nations first, and then try for the Good of Pakistan along with it, if possible.......

    => Three Sides of World Politics: there are three type of people/sides in world in 'Power Game', the 1st one who is defending itself and the 2nd one the aggressor and then we find a third side, the 'Beneficiary' of any type of war/conflicts etc. and I would say that Pakistan has been aggressor with India since they lost East Pakistan in 1971, by terrorism in Punjab in early 80s, then it switched to Pakistan's support to militancy in Kashmir in between 1989 to 2007, and India only defended itself since 1972. while the 3rd side, British/US always try to get benefit out of any type of conflict between India and Pakistan by keeping Pakistan's rulers in their pocket. and since India qualified with China among the BRIC, the new big powers of world, India is now on the target of Western War Champions, similar to China and Russia. and here, you can't ignore 'Role' of US/UK in any type of conflict India may face, either from Pakistan or China :nono:. you always need to understand that if US can't control India then you are on their target, same as China and Russia :pop:
     
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    The thread starter ?
     
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    To whom he is addressing ,secular group of people or peace loving people
     
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    It was a good debate.

    I liked the moment when Tim asks Jaswant that "Was India having any geographical designs for Pakistan during Kargil?" Jaswant smiles and Musshy's face becomes exhibition material :laugh:
     
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    That would be me :yey:
     
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    :facepalm:
     
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    It was possibly to keep him relevant to Pak politics so that the electorate is divided and there is no strong and sole consensus in the elections.
     
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    Why can't Indians just stop being kind and diplomatic. Seriously we should have had Bal Thackarey on the table across Mushy.

    Jaswant Singh :facepalm:
     
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    Jaswant Singh has been really been anti west in this debate.
     
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    as he knows, for whom this man works for.....

    and it was also a type of response by the western nations, their response to nuclear tests by India and Pakistan both a year before, in 1998, and this man served their purpose.............
     
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    Because we want a deeper than ocean taller than mountain relationship with bakistan similiar to the one we have with Srilanka. If Srilanka is ok, then why not Pakistan?:noidea:
     
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    we should try him for war crimes, one of our soldier's body was return with torture markings, he should be made responsible for that crime.
     
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    That's what I said. Not only that we have to avenge our 527 dead heros.
     
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    India's political masters are becoming increasingly shameless and clueless how can someone who has conspired to break this country,responsible for the death of so many Indians be allowed to come here and preach.

    USA even if it is a liberal state I don't see it allowing its arch enemies to walk around on its soil.

    I cannot describe my feelings when I read such articles.
     
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    Words of wisdom from him on 17 Nov 12, best parts he comes here to warn us

    LiveLeak.com - Indian!! Musharraf warns India against creating anti−Pakistan 'anti-terrorist' Afghanistan
     
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    I wonder what passport does Musharraf travel on.

    If he is wanted in Pakistan, the. Why hasn't his passport been revoked.

    If he is wanted in Pak, it means he should not have a diplomatic passport and therefore no diplomatic immunity. That means india can arrest this idiot.
     

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