Why was Israel not created on german land ??

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  1. ashdoc

    ashdoc Senior Member Senior Member

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    To be honest , this is not an original idea.

    When Saudi king Abdul Aziz heard about the idea ,he was surprised that the arabs were being punished for perfidies of the germans ,and demanded creation of Israel in Germany.

    Why was Israel created in Palestine ?

    Because it was the holy , indeed the promised land of the jews for over two thousand years.....

    For over two thousand years , the jews used to greet each other by saying ,'' next year , jerusalem !! '' , thereby signalling their intention to one day reclaim their lost land.

    Indeed ,the influx of jews in that region was started after britain captured palestine from the turks in the first world war ,long before Israel was actually created.

    But the support in modern times for the creation of Israel by non-jewish western powers was certainly propelled by the holocaust , which proved the need for the creation of jews' own nation where the jews could lead a life of security , unencumbered by persecution.

    Thus the support for Israel by western powers was due to causes unrelated to the jewish demand for their holy land.

    Obviously , Israel should have been created in Germany ,since the mass murder of jews was perpetrated by germans.

    It would have been adequate punishment for germany for murdering jews in the millions.

    Certainly , the Israeli claim on Palestine is hollow ,since the arabs have been living on that land for nearly 1400 years.

    Even at such an early date , the arabs were not the ones who destroyed the ancient kingdom of Israel , it had been destroyed centuries before they came.

    Anyway the UN or other international organisations do not accept such ancient claims as the jewish one on Palestine ,if such claims are to be enforced then many other people or nations will come out with such claims.

    For example the native americans ( formerly called by the politically incorrect term red indians ) can say that they have a claim on the entire continent of the americas ,and ask the caucasians and others who have settled there to go back !!

    Of course ,the israelis were going into a volatile region inhabited by fanatics.

    As the current situation proves ,these people were not going to sit idle while israelis went about nation-building......

    Today ,with the constant threat of war and terrorism ,many israelis have developed a masada complex........that is a fear that one day ,they are doomed........

    Constant threats of bomb blasts , a hair trigger alert , constant war on the frontiers ,constant threat of annihilation ........this is the situation every israeli has to constantly live with......

    Organistions such as Hamas ,and their backers like Iran ,have vowed to annihilate Israel by nuclear weapons if necessary......

    The arab-israeli problem is a major sore between relations between arabs , indeed all muslims , and the west.

    One wonders if all this trouble would have been avoided if israel had been created in Germany........

    The Germans could have been relocated in certain specific areas of Germany ,( as anyway the world war which had just been fought had resulted in mass dislocation of germans ) ,and Israel could have been created using a few German districts.

    Ony 1/10 th of german land would have had to be used......

    The rest would have been germany anyway...

    The jews would have lived a life if security in europe , anyway since most of them were europeans with white skin , not asians.

    This I am saying as a friend of the jews ,of course......
     
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    ajtr Veteran Member Veteran Member

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    coz promised land was not germany but the present day israel.
     
  4. SHASH2K2

    SHASH2K2 New Member

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    Slaughtering was started by Germans and was supposed to be finished by Arabs . Luckily Israel survived .I don't think that it was supposed to happen. Jews were supposed to be slaughtered by Muslim countries surrounding Israel.
     
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    ajtr Veteran Member Veteran Member

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    No it was other way round.................colonial powers wanted to keep a watchdog in the region so that muslim arab powers which were full of oil dont oil resources dont united under the banner of islam and deprive west the most important resource oil.but then usa did the opposite and it in its foolishness revived the political militant islam to defeat communism.now the samemilitant islam has become a Frankenstein to it now.
     
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    Israelis were heavily outnumbered and couldn't have matched Arabs .Its fighting spirit and technical superiority of Israel that they survived. Any ways they were scapegoats for west. Either way west was not loosing anything .
     
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    Its the west's superior weapons which did the trick.
     
  8. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    The Europeans did not want Jews in Europe, Jews were persecuted in every European nation they migrated to Spain,Italy,England and also in Russia. This gave a good opportunity to setup a strategic location to keep the Arabs in check. The Jews were not the only ones persecuted millions of Gypsys were also killed with no compensation.
     
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    I once was impressed by a movie 'Exodus', starred by Paul Newman, related to the birth of Israel. In the movie, Zionist cause was lofty and justified and Arabs deserved the fate.

    To a degree I think Israel / Jews have done a good job in propaganda (or PR, whatever it may be put). People remember their sufferings in Europe but often "forget" to ask why the State of Israel was founded at the cost of Palestinians.
     
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    History has shown that jews have gotten the rough end of the stick more times at the hands of christians. Even during crusades by christians against muslims the crusaders killed jews along with muslims.

    Europeans had a good chance to get free from jews and sent them packing to palestine.

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    Israel won wars because they had superior weapons and because arabs were idiots. They didn't even give importance to air force and were stuck in tactics of centuries gone by.
     
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    hamas says it would nuke isreal if necessary to won Palestine land back . is so simple that u attack isreal with nuke (hopping isreal is wipped out & is not going to attack back) and palestine land wont` get harmed durning that attack and nothing short of radioactivity would affect Palestine land and Palestine people would live gappily after that

    and yes arabs are stupid people they only know how to waste money on nightouts and making costlier mahals in which they live or starting some stupid pool`s in middle of hot desert . starting some modern institute is harm for them.

    my def of arabs excludes palestine people. in includes only oil producing lands minus iran/iraq .mainly its middle east
     
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    amoy Senior Member Senior Member

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    more or less we're all "brain washed" in a black-or-white world

    hamas = terrorists
    arabs (palestinians) = fools, deserving all that
    israel = anti terrorism, a lighthouse of modern, advanced democracy in Mid East

    those are impressions 'mainstream' media gives us. we often think in perspective of others (say, Jews). or aphasia for palestinians?
     
  13. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Jews have historically been detested in Europe.

    Not only they controlled the finances, but also were intellectually superior to the European non Jews. Compare the scientists, inventors, liberal intellectuals etc of Jews with the percentage of their population vs those of European and American non Jews! Hence, negative feeling towards the Jews.

    Therefore, the Balfour Declaration happened to get rid of them from Europe.

    It was a clever way to get rid of them by playing up their religious prophecy of the 'Promised Land'.

    Hence, Israel was not established on German or any other European land!
     

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