Why terrorism cannot be linked to the Gujarat riots

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  1. KS

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    Why terrorism cannot be linked to the Gujarat riots - Rediff.com News

     
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    If Gujrat riot and avenging it was a reason cited for terrorism then why attack Pune, Delhi and Mumbay?
    Then why kill American and Isreali Zews?
    Do these people mean Isrealies and Americans were behind Gujrat riois.


    And Gujrat violence is still termed as riots, one amongst thousand of riots starting from British era right from partition of Bengal in 1905. If there were no Gujrat riots, the Pakistanies would justify (some even do it ) terrorism for partition riots.
     
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    Why blame pakistan for it when it were your own leaders mostly hindus who propagate this sense of grievance or victim-hood.name any reporter leader,ngo worker all are hindus or other non muslim who propagate this theory and you have gall to blame muslims and pakistan for this.Look into you own house and put it in order first before blaming pakistan or muslims.
     
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    Pakistan won't survive fr a day if the system there stops teaching hate against India and Hindus, that is the foundation of your nation. Pakistan has been recognized worldwide as the biggest terrorist haven being run by corrupt elected by hypocrites like you who don't have the guts to accept the truth that you are a nation of self-destructive breeds.
     
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    Pakistan seems to be going the Sudan ways.
    however there are two counties who don't want it to vanish " china and USA"
    so either it will break up or will chug along while getting american chemotherapy and if things kept on going the way they are going on ujihar if a single strike against chine becomes successful china will join in giving Pakistan medication.
     
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    After 60+ years pakistan still their to cock-a-snook at indians.Its good that existence of pakistan frustates indians alot.
     
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    Actually it is the mirage of Ghazwa-e-Hind which has frustrated Pakistanis so much that they have invited drones to free them from their misery.
     
  9. A chauhan

    A chauhan "अहिंसा परमो धर्मः धर्म हिंसा तथैव च: l" Senior Member

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    The problem with the Muslim community is that the intolerance and the sense of being different, they receive through their religion fills their minds with false suspicions and conspiracy theories e.g. “Muslims are persecuted”, “they are deprived of their rights”, “Police always arrest innocent Muslims for terrorism” and they start to play the victim card very early, this intolerance co-exists with an ambition to establish a Caliphate and Islamic rule over the world (with Ghazwa-E-Hind type things)! and these two things, 1. Intolerance and, 2. ambitions to establish a Caliphate work collaterally in a dangerous manner which results into terrorism.

    One who fails to fall prey before the above two things remains moderate, and one who gets attracted becomes a terrorist or starts to support terrorism.This ajtr is also of the same mindset.

    The rise of Islamic terrorism in India is also inspired by such false conspiracy theories (imagined fears) and ambitions to establish a Caliphate and Ghazwa-E-Hind. Their Intolerance has made them an easy prey of the “Minority-Complex” which specially attracts the Muslims. And Gujrat 2002 riot was the culmination of the above conspiracy theories, intolerance and ambitions. They were the reasons behind why the Muslim mob became angry with the fake news of pregnant Muslim lady being raped by Hindus in a train, and they burned the Hindus alive with the train. And when Hindus retaliated it further strengthened their false fears, and thus 2002 riot became an “excuse” for radical Muslims to use it as an inspiration for terror attacks. Abu Hamja is going the same way.

    This is why terrorism can not be linked to the Gujrat riots, because the Intolerance, minority-complex, conspiracy theories and ambitions have started to work as early as 1977 with the establishment of SIMI.

    Meanwhile the RSS has became a Scapegoat for such acts! Congress knows very well that only RSS can rise up the Hindutva and if it happens Hindu votes will go only to the BJP, thats why they blame and link each and every terror attack with the RSS and have discovered a new non-existent species of “Saffron Terrorists”
     
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    The Godra train burning is indeed ISI activated to play to the inflamed Muslim sentiment of Babri Mazjid.

    To believe otherwise would be disingenuous.

    But the backlash was also not acceptable.

    Sanity should have prevailed!
     
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    ISI ?

    According to investigation report, Thousands of Muslims of Godhra was responsible. Report didn't blamed ISI AFAIK.

    There was no relation between Babri masjid and Godhra train burning. Muslims of Godhra were involved many times in past (before 1992) starting from 1948.
     
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    The train burning in which Kar Sevaks died is due to a short circuit in the train, according to a newspaper.
     
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    Who is fanning all this Muslim terrorism?

    Locals?

    Indeed local Muslims are uncomfortable, but to get into action it requires money and organisation.
     
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    I would have believed that if I did not have electricity at home!

    Laloo believes that since he is origin is a cowshed without electricity!

    Gujarat should have shown alacrity to control the carnage, but I would be stupid to believe a one sided story that is organised to garner votes that Muslims are blameless!

    Both sides have had scoundrels amongst them.

    In this case, the spark was the Godra train burning!
     
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    Seems mischievous, I agree. But, as all posters here, I too did not witness it myself, so I would rather assume what is being broadcasted, beamed into our homes. Whatever it was, it was sad. And sadder was the vigilante killings that followed thereafter. Modi is a killer, and there can be no doubt afterall.
     
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    Pakistan has 3 fulltime daddies and one part time. China, USA and Saudi Arabia are responcible for pakistan´s inexplicable survival inspite of all odds, when it should have broken up long ago. As long as these patrons keep providing it money and diplomatic and geopolitical support, it will keep surviving, albeit on a much smaller and less visible profile. To engineer Pakista´s demise , we will have to wean away these patrons from the cancerous abomination that is pakistan. That would the true test of Indian diplomacy and political clout. If India is to resurge as a powerful state, it would first have to start by bringing it´s immediate neighborhood within it´s sphere of influance.
     
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    No one, not one community is above reproach. If Muslims are responsible, aren't Hindus responsible too? For the killing of 50+ Kar Sevaks, are we justifying the killings of 1000s of Muslims?

    There was law to take care of the Godhra Train burning. There is no law whatsoever, for vigilante justice by Hindu radicals backed by the VHP, and Modi supporting it. I punch you, you break my leg, where does it end?
     
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    I have seen the TV reports and debates and also the numbers shot by the Police during the riots.

    Having seen riots and IS duties, I would not say that the Police were poodle faking.

    On the other hand, their non adequate response to areas where the Muslims lived is an issue that requires investigation to see the manner in which the resources were deployed and the response.

    It is all easy to blame the Police, but they are not Hindu Goddess that they have many hands and many weapons.

    They are also human and can do their best with whatever they have!
     
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    If there is a law to look into Godra train burning, what makes you feel that there is none for the riots?

    Don't always go by the tardiness shown for anti Sikh riots!

    Numbers is not the index of horror and action!
     
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    10 years on and people still believe 1000s of Muslims were killed...:facepalm:
     
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    I am all for harsh punishment for all rioters, be it Gujarat or anywhere else.

    This is India.

    We are ALL equal.

    Where I remain confused is that there are so many agencies/ political parties out to prove that Modi is the crook and inspite of their best effort they have not been able to nail the bloke all these years.

    If indeed he is the scoundrel, where is the problem? Get the guy!

    Therefore, am I wrong to believe that it is a political issue and not totally real?
     

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