Why is Kashmir issue unresolved yet with Pakistan?

[Illusive]

People in POK protesting against pakistani occupation, better late than never. Why such news is not covered largely in India is surprising.

 

[ladder]

Alright I will apologise and take back my comments on Modi and criticism of our aggression on loc.

I have found the articles but on re reading, it seems I might have misinterpreted.

Sorry again. but why was he banned in UK and US from entering?

Is there a button to delete comments unwanted by the one who posted?

Sorry again. but why was he banned in UK and US from entering?

You really live in NCR? If yes, were you hibernating for a decade?

 

[tramp]

India needs to send a strong message that the bid to bleed India with a thousand cuts will not be defended with a thousand bandages...but that the bladerunners risk deeper cuts to their body also. That is unfortunately the language these mofos understand.

Our Army's primary responsibility is to ensure that attacks on our people do not continue and they will react strongly to achieve that objective. Protestations of innocence is no the language that gun barrels understand.

India had already faced a bit of criticism for its added aggresion over recent ceasefire violation. Britain and America are in dillema about how should they go about Modi in Indian government. Don't we need to defend ourselves without offence? Don't we need to be careful about lives on the other side loses due to their lack of care for their own people?

 

[SANITY]

You really live in NCR? If yes, were you hibernating for a decade?

I was writing something else, using my smartphone and reading other articles too, didn't recheck it which caused wrong comment. Just ignore and don't respond to any of my comment on Modi. Neither will I speak more of him since it is a tjread on different topic. I am gonna sleerp or I might write more non sense. Sorry, Thanks and Goodnight.

 

[rock127]

where is the instrument of accession signed by maharaja hari singh?

Is there a possibility of instrument of accesdion being fraudulent?

who are you?

 

[bennedose]

Where is the instrument of accession signed by Maharaja Hari Singh?

Is there a possibility of Instrument of Accesdion being fraudulent?

So what? Let us suppose it is fraudulent. What is anyone going to do about it if India decides to say "screw yourself" to anyone who objects?

On the other hand if the instrument of accession is not fraudulent, Pakistanis need to shut their moronic mouths and stay put in their ragtag country.

Either way the question is totally redundant.Other than idiot Pakhanastanis no one else gives a damn.

 

[Ray]

we have something in detail in this regard as below. an Indian stand but this is what we know since schooling :ranger:

What you append is very true.

But it is pettifogging, after the fact.

The Indian Parliament should have gone hammer and tongs then, but since they turned the Nelson's eye, it becomes only a academic issue'

I would not know the legality of the issue in the international perspective.

But it is equally similar to the handing over of the Coco Island to Myanmar and Kachchatheevu to Sri Lanka.

 

[Ray]

The Instrument of Accession was no fraud.

 

[santosh10]

Those who are not tolerant are free to leave, Pakistan should accept them. But that is not the case after partition.

The doors are closed in 1950's on Pakistani side.

@Ray

sir, anyhow POK can't back to India until we separate migrants of rest of Pakistan so this chapter of the Article of post#41, looks closed now.....

and finally we find Indian Kashmir is part of India in the same way like how 'East Punjab' is part of India while the 'West Punjab' is part of Pakistan. similarly Sindh is part of Pakistan while Gujarat is in India. like how 'West Bengal' is part of India while the East Bengal (Bangladesh) is a separate country right now. as this is how partition of India occurred.........

similarly we may accept POK as part of Pakistan. simply because "International Borders Can't be Changed". a bottom-line fack :thumb:

and why not, if this is how most of the countries of world have international borders, while sharing the bordering states with each others.... for example, how we find Baluchistan is part of Pakistan and Iran both, while we do know that "Baluchistan was neither India nor Pakistan till 1947" :ranger:

we would consider the International border of India since 1951 only, as till then there were many states of India who joined India under the British's "Indian Independence Act 1947", passed by British parliament regarding partition of India. any war of India before 1951 is simply meaningless :ranger:

 

[Srinivas_K]

It is quite complicated, when the intentions on the other side and international politics is considered.

Had POK been a part of India, India would have got a trade corridor with Central Asia.

@Ray

sir, anyhow POK can't back to India until we separate migrants of rest of Pakistan so this chapter of post#41, looks closed now.....

and finally we find Indian Kashmir is part of India in the same way like how 'East Punjab' is part of India while the 'West Punjab' is part of Pakistan. similarly Sindh is part of Pakistan while Gujarat is in India. like how 'West Bengal' is part of India while the East Bengal (Bangladesh) is a separate country right now. as this is how partition of India occurred.........

similarly we may accept POK as part of Pakistan. simply because "International Borders Can't be Changed". a bottom-line fack :thumb:

we would consider the International border of India since 1951 only, as till then there were many states of India who joined India under the British's "Indian Independence Act 1947", passed by British parliament regarding partition of India. any war of India before 1951 is simply meaningless.......

 

[santosh10]

It is quite complicated, when the intentions on the other side and international politics is considered.

Had POK been a part of India, India would have got a trade corridor with Central Asia.

look, Gulam Kashmir (POK), had around 3.0million people only till 2000, and separating rest of the immigrants of rest of Pakistan may then become harder. also, thinking about Gulam Kashmir (POK), will bring the similar type of problem which CHina is facing from its friend, as below :ranger:

Uighurs and China's Xinjiang Region

XUAR (Xinxiang Uighur Autonomous Region), or East Turkistan, is a territory in western China that accounts for one-sixth of China's land and is home to about twenty million people from thirteen major ethnic groups, the largest of which (more than eight million) is the Uighurs [PRON: WEE-gurs], a predominantly Muslim community with ties to Central Asia. The Uyghur American Association (UAA) says that East Turkistan is a part of Central Asia, not of China.

In February 2012, at least a dozen people died after being attacked on the street by Muslims armed with knives near Kashgar, the western part of Xinxiang located near China's border with Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. After the Chinese government said the men involved had links to terrorists in Pakistan, a Chinese woman was also killed in Pakistan in what was considered a retaliatory attack. China claims the rioters were trained in Pakistan and has asked Pakistan to take "credible measures" to safeguard its citizens. XUAR shares borders with five Muslim countries--Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, and Pakistan--which seems to be a Chinese concern. The China-Pakistan relationship in particular has been strained by the recent killings, and questions about China's traditional friendship with Pakistan are rising. :ranger:

Terrorism and Counterterrorism :ranger:

During the 1990s, Uighur separatist groups in Xinjiang began frequent attacks against the Chinese government. The most famous of these groups was the ETIM, labeled as a terrorist organization by China, the United States, and the UN Security Council. China claims the group has links to al-Qaeda and says that they were trained in jihadi terror camps in Pakistan to launch attacks in Urumqi. Reports say Pakistani officials have also admitted that the militants in western China have ties to the Pakistani Taliban and other militants in northwestern Pakistani regions along the Afghan border. Pakistan, a close ally, has assured China of full support to contain terrorism in China. Concern about Uighur terrorism flared in August 2008--just days before the Beijing Olympics--when two men attacked a military police unit (NYT) in Xinjiang, killing sixteen.

Uighurs and China's Xinjiang Region - Council on Foreign Relations

=> and considering the news about rest of Pakistan as below itself states the whole story of Pakistani immigrants of Gulam Kashmir (POK)

Police reportedly have arrested five suspects in Lahore, Pakistan's second-largest city, for planning an attack at the home of a National Assembly member, using a suicide bomber-for-hire and explosives expert that they hired for just $15,000.

Suicide bomber available for sale in Pakistan, investigation reveals - NY Daily News

A Pakistani official, who spoke on the condition that he not be named because of the sensitive nature of the topic, said the going price for child bombers was $7,000 to $14,000 - huge sums in Pakistan, where per-capita income is about $2,600 a year.

EXCLUSIVE: Taliban buying children for suicide bombers - Washington Times

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do you want these defenders in India?

THE Difaa-i-Pakistan Council (DPC) has announced its aim of defending us against the dangers we face today.

But given the fact that the biggest threat to Pakistan comes from the extremist ideology of many of those who constitute the DPC, the question arises whether these holy warriors will confront the militants.
Don't hold your breath: during a recent DPC rally in Karachi, speaker after speaker made it clear that their real enemies are India and America. This assembled galaxy clearly failed to notice the uncomfortable fact that over the last decade, well over 30,000 innocent civilians and 5,000 security personnel have been killed in terrorist attacks launched by jihadi militants.Such mundane truths often escape our religious brigade. While focusing on American drone attacks, which while controversial, have been the most effective weapon against the militants in the tribal areas, they have conveniently overlooked the real cause of militancy. The moment these realities are pointed out to them, they go on about how these casualties are the result of the American war in Afghanistan.

Save us from our defenders - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

 

[santosh10]

double post

 

[tramp]

Its a known secret in POK that there are dozens of training camps for Uighur terrorists and now as the temperature on western hills go up many other camps are moving to Gilgit-Baltistan.... no wonder there have been several killings of Shias of GB in recent years.

look, Gulam Kashmir (POK), had around 3.0million people only till 2000, and separating rest of the immigrants of rest of Pakistan may then become harder. also, thinking about Gulam Kashmir (POK), will bring the similar type of problem which CHina is facing from its friend, as below :ranger:




=> and considering the news about rest of Pakistan as below itself states the whole story of Pakistani immigrants of Gulam Kashmir (POK)





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do you want these defenders in India?

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Kashmir issued went unresolved by both sides simply because it was beneficial to both politically.

For Pakistan it became a source of aid and weapons and kept them in the international
News without it what news would pakistan make?

For india and the congress party it helped their cause by their divide and rule policy
And vote bank policy. It also became a good source of revenues from kickbacks in
Arms purchases.

 

[tramp]

Somewhat like Palestine for the Arabs and Israel.... nobody wants it resolved completely.... without Palestine the Arab dictators would be forced to manufacture other causes to divert people's wrath away from themselves.

Kashmir issued went unresolved by both sides simply because it was beneficial to both politically.

For Pakistan it became a source of aid and weapons and kept them in the international
News without it what news would pakistan make?

For india and the congress party it helped their cause by their divide and rule policy
And vote bank policy. It also became a good source of revenues from kickbacks in
Arms purchases.

 

[thethinker]

Pakistan is capable of inciting violence in Kashmir, says Musharraf | Zee News

Just a day after a Pakistani court threatened to issue an arrest warrant against Musharraf in connection to a 2007 murder case, the former Pak Army chief in an interview to a local media channel, issued a threat to Kashmir, saying Pakistan was capable of inciting violence in the valley.

Warning of another war, he said that millions of Pakistani troops were willing to fight for Kashmir.

"Kashmir is waiting to be incited and Pakistan is capable of inciting violence," Pak media reports quoted him as saying.

 

[bengalraider]

Just old mushy trying to gain support from the ordinary angry Jihadi Abdul on the street,nothing more nothing less.
The jihadis are there but gen sharif has their reins now.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Where were these millions when mush lost in kargil?

 

[Ray]

He also lost the Quaid Post (named after their Founder) in Siachen.

We named the Post the Bana Post after the JCO who captured it.

Musharraf is all bluff and bluster.

Basically an overgrown, squishy punk.

 

[Bhadra]

Pakistan is capable of inciting violence in Kashmir, says Musharraf | Zee News

Just a day after a Pakistani court threatened to issue an arrest warrant against Musharraf in connection to a 2007 murder case, the former Pak Army chief in an interview to a local media channel, issued a threat to Kashmir, saying Pakistan was capable of inciting violence in the valley.

Warning of another war, he said that millions of Pakistani troops were willing to fight for Kashmir.

"Kashmir is waiting to be incited and Pakistan is capable of inciting violence," Pak media reports quoted him as saying.

Just making amends to his actions at Lal Masjid also... Jihadis would still be gunning for him ...

What relevant he said was :

Valley is ready to be incited !! (that they were but not for a Pakistani cause ,,, their own cause - more money - more power for them _ more fundamentalism)
Indian Army can be surrounded from all side ( Gher lenge) - very old Pakistani tactics which they tried and failed so many times. I think Indian military strategy would cater for battle at all fronts. and that is precisely the reason AFSPA can not and should not be withdrawn from the valley.

Third think he said " Ham Muslman Hain" that he has been claiming since he was born and that claim seems rediculious as if he doubts " Ki Muslman hai bhi ke nahin?" - He seems to be answering Iqbal who had writtern " Tum Mirza bhi ho Saikh bhi aur Pathan bhi Ho, Lekin ye Batao Ke Muslman bhi Ho" ?

For a Mohazir from Delhi, in Pakistan assertion that " Ham Muslman Hain " is but natural . However, he did not say " Ham Pakistani hain" ... he missed on that in his unconscious or subconscious reaction ... that should be replied by our Owaisi .. the pure Muslaman ...