Why is Kashmir issue unresolved yet with Pakistan?

[santosh10]

Over 50% countries of world share Bordering states with Each Others

hmmmm, almost half of the countries of world have the bordering regions shared with each others, not just POK to Pakistan and Indian Kashmir to India. and the best example we have about Baluchistan shared with Iran and Pakistan both, which wasn't part of British India till 1947 itself. and you can't just start freeing the bordering states, like Western Punjab to Pakistan and East Punjab to India as a Punjab country as whole. West Bengal to India and East Bengal (Bangladesh) a separate countries, as partition of India occurred on religious ground in 1947, even if India remained a non-religious country while Pakistan took birth as a Islamic State....

we have example of the bordering states shared between Russia and China for what they have fought wars during 50s and 60s of 20th century itself. we have half of the ASEAN region countries claiming on the areas of each others on borders, while Japan-China keep fighting for the oil fields/islands in between them, just because they share "water border", the usual news we get

and in fact, freedom of Baluchistan, which is part of Iran and Pakistan both, has been a touching issue for India since the time of "Nawab Akbar Bugti", who was murdered by "air strike" at the age of 80+ during the time of Mr Musharraf, because of his freedom struggle. i always remember Nawab Akbar Bugti as a leader of Baluchistan, and asking help from India while saying "my dear Indian Brothers and Sisters", a unique way of talking he had......

[//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akbar_Bugti]Akbar Bugti - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

and hence we have every reason to accept the India's border as how it was since 1951, the year when most of the states of Indian continent had joined to India under British's "India Independence Act 1947", most of borders of this region had been recognized till then, with accepting POK as part of Pakistan, similar to West Punjab to Pakistan and East Bengal as Bangladesh, as we have. my own personal view :thumb:

[//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baloch_nationalism]Baloch nationalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

Few Basic Questions for Pakistani Nationals

as per my last few posts#127, #128, (and also #121, #122) , i would welcome your answer on few questions as below, with some rationale approach. thanks

1st: how Pakistan talk about Kashmir issue, which is well part of India as per the British laws of "India Independence Act 1947", while it was never honest with non-Punjabi Muslims within? how do you claim to have sympathy of Muslims of any part of world, if East Pakistani Muslims were punished for being Bengal Muslims in Pakistan, which led to Independence of Bangladesh by 1971, finally? which was similar to how Junahghar and Hydarbad voted by over 90%+ to merge in Republic of India, just after the Independence in 1947?

2nd: how do you think to have sympathy for any part of Muslims, whether Muslims of Turkey, Indonesia, Nigeria or India, if India's Migrant Muhajir Muslims and their leaders talks like this when they visit here, as below. even after 60years+ of staying in Pakistan, this is how India's Migrants Muslims talk in India, the mother land



3rd; how democratic structure of India, having a "no-religious foundation", does any wrong with its minorities, which has been ruled by minorities quite frequently too? minorities PMs, Presidents, Generals, Chief Justice, Bollywood Super Star etc is know to whole world. and how does exactly Pakistan 'qualify' to speak in behalf of minorities of India, whether Muslims of Kashmir or of any other part of India? for example, if you talk about the Kurd Muslims of Turkey, they would simply kick your ash, isn't it? how have you become representative of Muslims of any part of world??????

4th; and if you want to discuss the circumstances of 1947, then why Pakistan hesitate to discuss about Baluchistan and "Republic of Jinnahpur". as Baluchistan wasn't Part of British India that you had occupied over it just after partition from India in 1947, while you got an Independent Islamic State of Pakistan after promising British rulers that you will be honest with the Muslims of any language, whether urdu speaking India's Migrant Muhajir or Bangla speaking East Pakistani Muslims, which is Bangladesh? hence if India's migrant Muslims demand a separate 'Republic of Jinnahpur', the they do have a point in front of today's British rulers too....... hence, why you want to create problems for India if you could never be able to solve your problems within?

5th; i personally favor to even forget the area, China had occupied from India by 1962, then why don't Pakistani Rulers also think to build the Pakistan they have within, for the people, including Baluchistan as its well part of Pakistan at present. we talk about Baluchistan as you want to discuss the circumstances of 1947, but we are generally not interested to discuss. then why don't you try to build your nation, as compare to create problem for neighboring nations. just accept POK as part of Pakistan similar to how West Punjab is part of Pakistan while East Punjab is in India, my own view. as more than 50% countries of world share the bordering regions with each others, including how Baluchistan is part of Iran and Pakistan both .......
(as support for Taliban in Afghanistan by Pakistani Military was never a secret, Osama Bin Laden was found well near Pakistani Military camp enjoying a luxury life. and even China facing import of terrorism to its Muslim populated Xinjiang state from the Pakistan based militants?)

6th; lastly, we do favor visiting visa for the Pakistani tourists, if they want to visit Kashmir for a tour, similarly how you visit Dubai etc. then why you won't try to think to solve the problems of this region, this part of world, as compare to make it bigger, for India, China, Iran and Afghanistan all of those around you?

along with many aspects of this discussion, a simple and the main reason behind this unresolved issue is as below. the unresolved issue with a rogue neighbor :ranger:

42 terror camps in Pakistan, 270 terrorists entered India in 3 years: Government

New Delhi: Forty-two terror training camps are operating in Pakistan and Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir and nearly 270 terrorists have entered into Jammu and Kashmir from across the border through LoC in the last three years, government said on Tuesday.

Minister of State for Home RPN Singh said there were 1000 attempts of infiltration by terrorists from Pakistan and (PoK) through the LoC between 2010-12.

Singh informed Lok Sabha that 160 terrorists were killed by security forces while trying to infiltrate while 570 others went back to the other side of the border due to strict vigil by security forces.

However, he said, 95 terrorists could infiltrate into Jammu and Kashmir in 2010, 52 could infiltrate in 2011 and 121 could infiltrate in 2012.

The minister said Jammu and Kashmir has been facing Pakistan-sponsored terrorism, spearheaded by Pakistani intelligence agency ISI for more than 20 years.

Singh said terrorists have been undergoing arms and explosives training and indoctrination in fundamentalist ideology across the border after which they are pushed across the border into Indian side to indulge in acts of terrorism.

"They are provided all kinds of assistance including money and material from across the border. Currently, there are reports of 42 training camps located in Pakistan and PoK," he said.

//zeenews.india.com/news/nation/42-terror-camps-in-pak-pok-270-terrorists-enter-india-in-3-years_867223.html

 

[santosh10]

double post

 

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we have a detailed report on this issue as below, and main factors behind, why its still an "issue" :ranger:

THE JAMMU AND KASHMIR ISSUE

//mea.gov.in/Uploads/PublicationDocs/19156_Kashmir_The_True_Story_19-01-2004.pdf

//mea.gov.in/Uploads/PublicationDocs/19156_Kashmir_The_True_Story_19-01-2004.pdf

Pakistan : epicentre of International Terrorism

//mea.gov.in/Uploads/PublicationDocs/19156_Kashmir_The_True_Story_19-01-2004.pdf

 

[santosh10]

Pakistan is 'epicenter of Islamic terrorism'

New York (CNN) -- The suspect in the Times Square bombing attempt was caught as he was seeking to flee to Pakistan, a nation that analyst Fareed Zakaria calls the "epicenter of Islamic terrorism."

"It's worth noting that even the terrorism that's often attributed to the war in Afghanistan tends to come out of Pakistan, to be planned by Pakistanis, to be funded from Pakistan or in some other way to be traced to Pakistan," said Zakaria. He added that Pakistan's connection with terrorist groups goes back decades and has often been encouraged by that nation's military for strategic reasons.

Faisal Shahzad, a 30-year-old naturalized citizen of Pakistani descent, had recently been trained in bomb making in Pakistan's Waziristan province, according to a federal complaint filed in court Tuesday. CNN reported Tuesday that Faisal Shahzad's father is a retired vice-marshal in the Pakistani Air Force.

Shahzad was arrested around 11:45 p.m. ET Monday at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport just before he was to fly to Islamabad, Pakistan, by way of Dubai.

Zakaria, author and host of CNN's "Fareed Zakaria GPS," spoke to CNN on Tuesday. Here is an edited transcript:

CNN: Based on what we know so far, what lessons can be learned from this incident?

Fareed Zakaria: This does not seem to be part of a larger and more organized effort to penetrate the United States. That doesn't mean such efforts are not under way....it does make you realize just how open we are as a country and how open we are as a society. There is always a level of vulnerability that comes from being an open society and this guy, Mr. Shahzad obviously took advantage of that openness.

CNN: Apparently he traveled to Pakistan on a number of occasions. Does that signal that Pakistan isn't vigilant enough about terrorism?

Zakaria: Well it certainly signals something that we have known for a while, which is that Pakistan is the epicenter of Islamic terrorism. ... The British government has estimated that something like 80 percent of the terror threats that they receive have a Pakistani connection.:ranger:

So there's no question that Pakistan has a terrorism problem. It has radical groups within the country that have the ability to recruit people and have access to resources that makes for a very combustible mixture.

It should remind us that even when looking at the war in Afghanistan, ultimately the most important place where jihadis are being trained and recruited is not in Afghanistan but in Pakistan. And there's no other part of the world where you have quite the same concentration of manpower, resources and ideology all feeding on each other.

CNN: What feeds the ideology that drives the terror effort?

Zakaria: Pakistan has been conducive to this kind of jihadis for a number of reasons. For the last three or four decades, the Pakistani government, the Pakistani military has supported, funded many of these groups in a bid to maintain influence in Afghanistan, in a bid to maintain an asymmetrical capacity against India -- in other words, to try to destabilize India rather cheaply through these militant groups rather than frontally through its army.

So it has found it useful to have these militant groups and to support them. It has always assumed that these groups will not attack Pakistanis and therefore was not a threat to Pakistan itself. And to a large extent that's true, these groups by and large have attacked people in Afghanistan, India, in the West but not in Pakistan. But that is changing, because these groups are so intermingled and often sufficiently ideological, and also because the Pakistani military is beginning to take them on. :ranger:

But fundamentally the reason this has gone on is that there has been a policy of the Pakistani state and particularly the Pakistani military, to encourage these groups, to fund them, to ignore their most pernicious activities. And some of it goes back even further than four decades. In the 1965 war against India, the Pakistanis used Islamic jihadis...

And the great hope now is that finally the Pakistani government is getting serious about this. Frankly it remains a hope.

CNN: Why do you say that it's only a hope?

Zakaria: Over the last few years, it appears that the Pakistani government has begun to understand that these groups all meld together, that they are a threat to a stable and viable modern Pakistani state. But when I talk about the Pakistani government you have to realize that there are different elements in it.

The Pakistani civilian government really does understand the danger that Islamic terrorism poses to Pakistan, but the civilian government in Pakistan appears quite powerless. Most power lies with the military.

The military in Pakistan has a somewhat more complex attitude. It does believe that these militants have gone too far. It does believe that it has to take on the militants. And it has actually battled them quite bravely over the last few years.

CNN: So what's the reason for thinking the military supports militant groups?

Zakaria: It still holds within it the view that at the end of the day, the United States will leave the region and that they will have to live in a neighborhood which will have a very powerful India and an Afghanistan that is potentially a client state of India's -- and that in order to combat this Indian domination, they need to maintain their asymmetrical capabilities, their militant groups.

It is interesting to note that Ahmed Rashid, who may be the most respected Pakistani journalist, has reported on the way in which Pakistani government has thwarted and put obstacles in the way of any kind of talks between the Afghan government and the Taliban.

The message it has sent to the Afghan government is very clear. If you want to have any negotiations with the Taliban, you have to understand that since we are the critical intermediary -- since the Taliban leadership all lives in Pakistan -- the Pakistani military's terms to the Afghan government are, we want you to push back on Indian influence in Afghanistan, we want you to shut down Indian consulates in various Afghan cities.

In other words, the Pakistani government is still obsessed with the idea of an Indian domination of the region, and they're using their influence with the Taliban to try to counter Indian influence. This is the old game that the Pakistanis have played.

That's what makes me skeptical that there's been a true strategic revolution in Pakistan... There are still people who believe that there are good terrorists and bad terrorists, and some you can work with to further Pakistan's goals.

CNN: In the attempted car bombing in Times Square and the Christmas Day attempted bombing, you have two failed plots that don't appear to be highly sophisticated. Does that tell us anything about the terror groups?

Zakaria: At some level, that tells you about the weakness of the terror groups. You do not have highly organized terrorist groups with great resources and capacity that are able to plan spectacular acts of terrorism the way they were in the 1990s and on 9/11.

What you have now are more isolated, disorganized lone rangers and while they're obviously very worrying and one has to be extremely vigilant, it is also at some level a sign of the weakness of an organization like al Qaeda that it is not able to do the kind of terrorist attacks it used to.

To be sure, it's important to be very vigilant and make sure you have groups like al Qaeda on the run. But I don't know that in a free society, you will ever be able to prevent an individual with no background in terrorism who's broken no laws and is radicalized from attempting to make some kind of trouble.

//edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/05/05/zakaria.pakistan.terror/

 

[santosh10]

Abbottabad -- The military town where bin Laden hid in plain sight

CNN) -- One week ago, the chief of Pakistan's Army Staff, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, told graduating cadets in the city of Abbottabad that the "back of terrorism" in Pakistan had been broken, thanks to the sacrifices of Pakistan's soldiers.

Kayani was speaking at the "passing out parade" at the prestigious Kakul military academy in Abbottabad, the West Point of Pakistan. At that very moment, the man who had dragged Pakistan into the "War on Terror" a decade earlier was, it transpires, just a mile or two away, living in apparent comfort behind the high walls of a very private compound. Osama bin Laden, who had declared war on Pakistan, had apparently been living for months in a city that had made its name as a military garrison.

Abbottabad, pronounced AHB-tah-bahd, is some 60 miles by winding mountainous roads north of Pakistan's capital. Surrounded by green hills, it is renowned for its trees and parks. It's a popular retirement place for officers in the Pakistani army, partly because of its military academy, but also because of its agreeable climate. During British rule, the Imperial Gazeteer of India described it as "picturesquely situated," 4,120 feet above sea level.

Abbottabad sits on the Karakoram Highway, an engineering marvel that links Pakistan with China through the Himalayas. Before much of Pakistan became off-limits to most foreign tourists, it was also a popular spot for those on their way to and from the Swat valley and the foothills of the Himalayas.

//edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/02/bin.laden.abbottabad/

 

[santosh10]

@Ray

Pakistani military fought WOT (war on terror) along with US for more than a decade since 9/11 2001, Pakistan received hefty funds from US/EU in this regard to, and finally OBL was found living in luxury near Pakistani camp itself :ranger:

 

[Bangalorean]

India is confused about Kashmir. On the one hand, it says Kashmir is an integral part of India - therefore no talks with Pakistan. Then again, it also says talks will resume if Pakistan gives up violence in the border. Does that mean India accepts Kashmir as a disputed region? So contradictory and confusing. Most Indian leaders keep Kashmir burning for political gain.

Yes PakiHead, India's stance should be rigid. I agree with you. We should stick to the stance that Kashmir will be with India, and the pussy Pakis can't do shit about it. We will not talk, go and screw yourselves - that should be the message.

I would much rather we had absolutely NO talks with that moth-eaten nation called Pakistan. No talks, no trade - let them stew in their own juice.

 

[Ray]

India is confused about Kashmir. On the one hand, it says Kashmir is an integral part of India - therefore no talks with Pakistan. Then again, it also says talks will resume if Pakistan gives up violence in the border. Does that mean India accepts Kashmir as a disputed region? So contradictory and confusing. Most Indian leaders keep Kashmir burning for political gain.

You are the only who is confused.

 

[sgarg]

Re: Can UNO find the solution of Kashmir?

It is very difficult for UNO to find the solution of Kashmir. Pakistan and India should find its solution with peace talks.

There is no point of peace talks when Pakistani children are taught to hate India. "Peace" is between nations, not armies. You people think in terms of army only, not in terms of nation.

Your thinking is limited to what is convenient for the moment. India cannot think like you.

India prefers a durable peace based on peaceful coexistence of people of Pakistan and people of India. This durable peace will be established when Pakistani public is not taught to hate India, and genuine people to people contact can start.

There is no point in peace talks just for keeping appearances.

 

[sgarg]

India is confused about Kashmir. On the one hand, it says Kashmir is an integral part of India - therefore no talks with Pakistan. Then again, it also says talks will resume if Pakistan gives up violence in the border. Does that mean India accepts Kashmir as a disputed region? So contradictory and confusing. Most Indian leaders keep Kashmir burning for political gain.

First of all two neighbours can always talk. India never calls for talks with Pakistan over Kashmir. It is always Pakistan that says so.

You are confused about India's stand. India calls for a composite dialog for all pending issues between the two countries.

There is no confusion as far as India is concerned. It is some people's interpretation that think it is confused.

"Political gain" - there is no political gain for any leader due to Kashmir. This is a very faulty understanding of the situation.

 

[sgarg]

Pakistan thinks it can destroy India with its nukes. Pakistani don't realize that most of its cities lie within 100 km of India border. Most cities are within shelling distance. Pakistan simply cannot destroy India with nukes without getting burned to hell. This fact must be drilled into every Pakistani mind.

USA understands that Pakistan's nukes are the biggest threat to mideast security. The entire middle-east security structure, built by USA since world war II at a massive cost, is at the mercy of Pakistan.

Any intelligent person can understand who is the bigger loser in the case of Pakistan's nukes.

 

[santosh10]

India is confused about Kashmir.

You are the only who is confused.

On the one hand, it says Kashmir is an integral part of India - therefore no talks with Pakistan.

thats the first hand gentle talk with this rogue neighbor of India :thumb:

Then again, it also says talks will resume if Pakistan gives up violence in the border. Does that mean India accepts Kashmir as a disputed region?

and this is what India is left with, when it face cross-order terrorism import from this "epi-center" of world's terrorism
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[tramp]

Yes Kashmir is an integral part of India. But there can be talks if there is hope for finding a peaceful solution to the situation on the border. The talks would be aimed at restoring peace. That does not mean India will cede Kashmir to Pakistan. Diplomacy is not a zero-sum game. Who knows there could be some midway solution lying hidden somewhere to resolve the issue somehow? How will it be found unless there are talks?

India is confused about Kashmir. On the one hand, it says Kashmir is an integral part of India - therefore no talks with Pakistan. Then again, it also says talks will resume if Pakistan gives up violence in the border. Does that mean India accepts Kashmir as a disputed region? So contradictory and confusing. Most Indian leaders keep Kashmir burning for political gain.

 

[santosh10]

Abbottabad -- The military town where bin Laden hid in plain sight

CNN) -- One week ago, the chief of Pakistan's Army Staff, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, told graduating cadets in the city of Abbottabad that the "back of terrorism" in Pakistan had been broken, thanks to the sacrifices of Pakistan's soldiers.

Kayani was speaking at the "passing out parade" at the prestigious Kakul military academy in Abbottabad, the West Point of Pakistan. At that very moment, the man who had dragged Pakistan into the "War on Terror" a decade earlier was, it transpires, just a mile or two away, living in apparent comfort behind the high walls of a very private compound. Osama bin Laden, who had declared war on Pakistan, had apparently been living for months in a city that had made its name as a military garrison.

Abbottabad, pronounced AHB-tah-bahd, is some 60 miles by winding mountainous roads north of Pakistan's capital. Surrounded by green hills, it is renowned for its trees and parks. It's a popular retirement place for officers in the Pakistani army, partly because of its military academy, but also because of its agreeable climate. During British rule, the Imperial Gazeteer of India described it as "picturesquely situated," 4,120 feet above sea level.

Abbottabad sits on the Karakoram Highway, an engineering marvel that links Pakistan with China through the Himalayas. Before much of Pakistan became off-limits to most foreign tourists, it was also a popular spot for those on their way to and from the Swat valley and the foothills of the Himalayas.

//edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/02/bin.laden.abbottabad/

@Ray

Pakistani military fought WOT (war on terror) along with US for more than a decade since 9/11 2001, Pakistan received hefty funds from US/EU in this regard to, and finally OBL was found living in luxury near Pakistani camp itself :ranger:

9/11 conspiracy and the role of Pakistani Military

i have been visiting Muslims forums, Pakistani and Bangladeshi forums and talking their members sometimes too, and we find almost all the Muslims countries and their media says that 9/11 conspiracy was done by CIA itself, to organize attacks on the Muslims countries. i mean, almost none of the Muslims of world, who isn't agreed with this theory, as per my experience....

and then we find Pakistan part of WOT, war on terror, and received hefty funds from US/West for their support too since 2001. Mr P.Musharraf was the main man of US in Pakistan in this regard, no wonder why he is enjoying a luxury life in UK at present, a dictator and the head of Pakistani Military since 2001 .......

and then we finally find Mr US President rewarding brave US's military for their hunt for OBL, the so called biggest enemy of US till then, who was finally found near Pakistani military camp in Abbottabad. it was a secret operation without informing Pakistani establishments, and the informer, a doctor, was put on life imprisonment by the Pakistani Judiciary for his spying of OBL in behalf of US too..... as he did spying of OBL, the so called messenger of Islam....

therefore, a single statement for the 9/11 conspiracy is as below:-
"CIA itself organized 9/11 attacks by using OBL, to get a good reason to attack on the Muslim countries, whose main ally for War On Terror was Pakistan. AND HENCE, the main convict of 9/11 attack, OBL, was found near Pakistani Military camp." with rewarding a luxury life to Mr Musharraf in UK, head of Pakistani Military that time, who is charged for Benajir Bhutto murder case too

US and their allies on WOT, and this is how their foreign secretaries talk with its ally in private, as below

I became Secretary of State, they were trying to basically appease the Pakistani Taliban who were attacking them. So they were trying to draw a distinction between the good terrorists and the bad terrorists, because we had funded the "good terrorists" together. :ranger:

Referring to the support US provided to these insurgent groups during the fight against the Russians in Afghanistan, Clinton said when she meets Pakistani officials, they rightly say, "You're the ones who told us to cooperate with these people. You're the ones who funded them.

Pak making error by supporting terror groups against India: US : Americas, News - India Today

 

[santosh10]

You are the only who is confused.

Pakistan's WOT as a Business of receiving Foreign Funds

further to the discussion of providing a luxury life to OBL near Pakistani Military Camp, OBL, the so called God's man, and the biggest enemy of US till he was hunt down by the US's soldiers, we have been getting statements of UK's Premiers as below too on time to time

here we find Brit PM offering more funds to Pakistan to help Pakistan fight on WOT. here, its widely accepted on the world platform that Pakistan has been using terrorism as a tool of receiving foreign funds, a good business

Gordon Brown: 75% of UK terror plots originate in Pakistan

Gordon Brown today confronted Pakistan over its record of exporting terrorism, revealing that three quarters of serious plots investigated in the UK were connected to the country.

The prime minister arrived in Islamabad to announce that British police now want to interview the surviving suspect in the Mumbai terror attacks, as part of broader inquiries into the extremist group blamed for the atrocity, Lashkar-e-Taiba.

In private talks he also questioned Pakistan's president, Ali Asif Zardari, over what action could be taken to eradicate training camps based in Pakistan through which woud-be suicide bombers from Britain have passed. Brown offered assistance in tracing and shutting them down.

"Three quarters of the most serious plots investigated by the British authorities have links to al-Qaida in Pakistan. Our aim must be to work together to do everything in our power to cut off terrorism,'"he told a press conference in Islamabad.

In return, Brown offered a new pact between the two countries to combat terrorism "to make sure terrorists are denied any safe haven in Pakistan".

This would involve British help to Pakistan with training in bomb disposal, airport security, anti-car bomb measures and a £6m-package to counteract radicalisation and bolster democratic institutions in return for cooperation in the investigation.

One of the July 7 2005 London bombers, Mohammed Siddique Khan, was among key terror suspects known to have travelled to Pakistan ahead of committing atrocities, and the well-trodden trail leading from the UK's northern cities to the mosques, madrassas and jihadi camps of Pakistan is causing increasing concern. Brown has spoken repeatedly in recent days of wanting to break a "chain of terror", leading from the region back to Europe. akistan:

The increase in pressure from the international community on Pakistan to curb jihadi activities followed Brown's talks with both the Indian prime minister, Mahoman Singh, and the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, on Friday and Saturday.

The Indian government is concerned that while Pakistan has clamped down on Lashkar-e-Taiba now in response to international outrage, in the past it has taken action which fizzled out once international attention faded.

Brown also passed on concerns from Karzai over terrorists infiltrating Afghanistan via the Pakistani border, after his Saturday trip to the frontline in Helmand province. The deaths of four royal marines last week, three of them in an incident involving a child bomber, has ensured Afghanistan cast a longer shadow than expected over the trip.

Gordon Brown: 75% of UK terror plots originate in Pakistan

theguardian.com/world/2008/dec/14/mumbai-terror-attacks-india

 

[santosh10]

Fall of Soviet in Afghan finally resulted in Insurgency/terrorism in Kashmir

further to the above discussion, we always discuss how SU lost Afghan in 1989 and the 1990 was then the first year when Indian Kashmir faced the first terror attack, the very first terrorist attack in Kashmir which then continued till 2007. and now it has been almost gone from the Kashmir valley now...

Kashmir, which was one of the most peaceful region of world till 1990, among the least murder rate among India's states till 1989, then became a place of world terrorism since 1990, after fall of SU in 1989......

here im discussing, how arm struggle of Afghanistan then 'switched' to terrorism in Indian Kashmir

and to discuss this aspect of Kashmir's issue, we first have details of one of the most wanted Kashmiri terrorist as below, who was nothing but one among those 1000s, of militants who were first trained and armed by CIA and Pakistani Military in Afghanistan against SU during 80s. and after fall of SU in 1989, these people then 'sneaked' into India.

Mullah Omar, the leader of Taliban was himself a student of Pakistani Madrasa, trained there, similar to most of the Taliban fighters of 80s against SU. and all the 'Pakistani origin' Taliban were nothing but the men of Pakistani military who were then shifted to Indian Kashmir since 1990.

the life of this most wanted terrorist of India as below, is nothing but a statement of almost the same background of most of those terrorists of Pakistan, who were behind making troubles in Kashmir since during 90s :ranger:

Ilyas Kashmiri, also referred to as Maulana Ilyas Kashmiri[1] andMuhammad Ilyas Kashmiri[2] (10 February 1964[3] – 3 June 2011[4][5]), was a senior al-Qaeda operative and leader of the Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami (HUJI)[6]He was also connected with the Soviet-Afghan war, the Kashmir conflict and attacks against India, Pakistan and the United States.[7] In August 2010, the US and the United Nations designated him a terrorist.[8][9] NBC News reported that United States officials had mentioned him as a possible successor to Osama bin Laden as head of al-Qaeda.[10] :ranger:

Kashmiri hailed from the Mirpur District of Pakistan. Kashmiri was reported by some media sources as having served in the Pakistan Army's elite Special Services Group (SSG), however he denied this in an interview with journalist Syed Saleem Shahzad.[3] Kashmiri also spent a year studying communications at the Allam Iqbal University.[3]

In the Soviet war in Afghanistan, he trained the Afghan mujahideen in mine warfare in Miranshah on behalf of Pakistan.[7]During the fighting he lost an eye and an index finger. He continued his militant activities in Kashmir after the war as a member of Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami (HuJI), though disagreements with leader Qari Saifullah Akhtar several years after initially joining in 1991 led Kashmiri to establish his own new unit within HuJI known as the 313 Brigade.

During the mid-1990s, Kashmiri and Nasrullah Mansoor Langrial were near Poonch when they were seized by the Indian Army and sent to prison, where he would spend the next two years before escaping and returning to Pakistan.[7] Upon his return Kashmiri continued to conduct operations against India, once reportedly being rewarded personally with Rs 100,000 (about US$1,164.24) by then Army Chief General Pervez Musharraf for presenting the severed head of an Indian ArmySoldier to him. Pictures of Kashmiri with the head of the soldier in his hands were published in some Pakistani newspapers.[15]

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyas_Kashmiri

 

[santosh10]

@Ray

sir, as in the above news, here we find US and their allies finally stand. this Ilyas Kashmiri wasn't a declared terrorist by US until he started leading AL Qaeda since 2010. and why not, he was an ally of CIA itself during Afghan war against SU in 80s

we always discussed, "US recognized terrorism as terrorism only after 9/11 attack, and until then these people were a problem for rest of the world like India only." 9/11 became the first reason why US understood terrorism is terrorism, whether against US or any other countries. for example of the above news, Mr P.Musharraf was a US's ally so the above Ilyas Kashmiri wasn't a terrorist until he joined AL Qaeda by 2010 :ranger:

 

[Ray]

The West ignored terrorism since it did not affect them.

It was only when the full might of terrorism hit them that they realised that while ignoring terrorism till then to futher their geopolitical and geostrategic aims, they themselves were on the crosshair of the terrorists who would make their lives hell.

We can thank Ilayas and Osama for teaching the West that all that glitters is not gold. for their cunning geostrategic aims.

 

[santosh10]

India is confused about Kashmir. On the one hand, it says Kashmir is an integral part of India - therefore no talks with Pakistan. Then again, it also says talks will resume if Pakistan gives up violence in the border. Does that mean India accepts Kashmir as a disputed region? So contradictory and confusing. Most Indian leaders keep Kashmir burning for political gain.

We may change history, not geography

along with news about Pakistan, we have news about Bangladesh in the thread as below too ......

//defenceforumindia.com/forum/internal-security/63875-bangladeshi-criminal-gangs-new-challenge-delhi-police-3.html#post955512

and when i have a look on the state of 2 Indian neighbors, Pakistan and Bangladesh, and its consequences on India as whole, i always remember statement of a former PM of India as below

"We can change history but not geography. We can change our friends but not our neighbors." - Atal Behari Vajpayee

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IM growing stronger in northeast, Bangladesh

NEW DELHI: Even as National Investigation Agency (NIA) has linked the Bodh Gaya blasts to Assam, intelligence agencies have found that Indian Mujahideen (IM) may have grown strong footprints in the north-east and Bangladesh. In fact, agencies have credible information that IM played a significant role in providing relief to displaced Muslims in the June 2012 Bodo-Muslim riots in Assam. :ranger:

Sources said during the 2012 strife, IM operatives used the network of certain mosques to mobilize funds from across the Hindi heartland and certain other areas to Assam to help victims from the minority community.

"There are reports of them having developed contacts with some religious groups in Assam and their activity has been significant in areas such as Dhubri. They have also developed footprints in Sylhet region of Bangladesh and are suspected to have developed pockets of influence in Myanmar-Bangladesh border region through LeT," said an intelligence official. :ranger:

"The objective of participating in relief operations in Assam seemed to be aimed at creation of an IM constitution and radicalization of Muslim youth at the wrong end of justice in the state," he added.

Notably, NIA investigations have found that the Lotus brand clocks used in the Bodh Gaya blasts were bought from a shop in Assam. Investigations also point out that these clocks were bought about a year before the blasts. That was precisely the time that riots broke out in Assam and relief operations were underway.

Arrested IM operatives Syed Maqbool and Imran Khan had revealed to investigating agencies in October last year that Bodh Gaya was one of the targets of IM to avenge atrocities on Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar. Though these developments point to an IM hand behind the July 7 blasts in Bodh Gaya, agencies say it could be a confluence of different forces including disaffected Rohingya Muslim groups which have been on the radar of groups such as LeT for recruitment.

Significantly, the Rakhine Buddhist-Rohingya Muslim confrontation of last year, which has been the trigger for a larger Buddhist-Muslim confrontation in several parts of Asia, had coincided with the Bodo-Muslim confrontation in lower Assam.

Intelligence agencies had then expressed fear that Rohingya refugees could add another insurgency to an already volatile mix of Assam. It was also said that the outflow of Rohingya refugees could lead to stronger contacts between Myanmar Muslims and regional Islamist militants. Such militants could recruit disaffected Rohingyas to their own cause.

"It is difficult to pinpoint any group at the moment as several forces have motive to harm Buddhists or their symbols. Though we have found that 13 clocks were bought from a shop in Assam, we cannot yet be sure if they were the same clocks used in the 13 bombs placed in the Bodh Gaya temple complex. We have also found evidence of some 50 Lotus clocks bought from another place. Why would a bomber buy exactly 13 clocks for 13 bombs? Why not more for contingency," asked an NIA officer.

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IM growing stronger in northeast, Bangladesh - The Times of India

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BSF gives list of 66 terror camps to Bangladesh
March 09, 2014

Shillong: The BSF has handed over a list of 66 camps of north-east insurgents to the Border Guard Bangladesh, seeking actions against them.

"We have requested our counterparts in Bangladesh for cooperation in dismantling the camps of insurgents from the region. We have handed over a list of 66 camps that exist in Bangladesh," Sudhir Kumar Srivastava, IG, BSF Assam Frontier, told reporters here on Sunday. :ranger:

The list was handed over at the 3-day bi-annual Inspector General level meeting of border management and coordination held from March 6 at the headquarters of Meghalaya Frontier of the BSF here.

The camps belonged to ULFA and NDFB (anti-talks) of Assam, PLA and KYKL of Manipur, NSCN (IM) of Nagaland besides those of the Tripura's NLFT and Meghalaya's HNLC and ANVC-B, the BSF official said.

Brig General HabibulKarim, Region Commander North East Region, who led a 20-member delegation from Bangladesh, had assured actions against those camps located all along the northern parts of Bangladesh, Srivastava said.

The inspectors general of Meghalaya, Assam, Tripura, Mizoram and Cachar frontiers of BSF officials attended the meeting along with an official representative of the Ministry of External Affairs.

"The meeting was held in a cordial atmosphere and discussed many issues like better border management, tackling smuggling of banned cough syrup Phensydyl and fake currency and reducing border crimes and dacoities," he said.

BSF also requested for early solution of disputes regarding erection of barbed wire fencing in some patches of the border, especially the single row fencing, he said.

Tripura, Meghalaya, Mizoram and Assam share a 1,880-km border with Bangladesh.

BSF gives list of 66 terror camps to Bangladesh | Zee News

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India is confused about Kashmir. On the one hand, it says Kashmir is an integral part of India - therefore no talks with Pakistan. Then again, it also says talks will resume if Pakistan gives up violence in the border. Does that mean India accepts Kashmir as a disputed region? So contradictory and confusing. Most Indian leaders keep Kashmir burning for political gain.

India is going slow on talks due to ongoing Election in Jammu and Kashmir. Voting will happen for only 87 seats against 111. India is not confused, just wait and watch.. India will talk only on 24 seats where Voting is not taking place. Please update your washed out brain that the area where election is not happening is the Disputed Territory.