Why is it Difficult to Deport Illegal Bangladeshis?

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  1. afako

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    Maharashtra has the Best Known Record in Deporting Illegal Bangladeshis for Decades.

    Why?

    After the 1992-93 riots the exercise of locating and deporting them, especially from Mumbai continued, civil society protested. The protests were on the 'secular' platform, the logic being that since most were Muslims, they ought not to be sent packing. The argument was not that they were poor so one needed to be nice to them. The point missed was that even if on that count, they needed to come as refugees, not by stealth and pretend to be Indian citizens.

    Tactics of Mumbai Police in the 80s

    For long, from the time V N Deshmukh, who later retired as Maharashtra's intelligence chief was an official in Mumbai Police Special Branch, the Bangladeshi's were ferreted out and packed off, because of their illegal status which no sovereign nation would countenance their presence. This was done quietly.

    In fact that official overcame corruption by paying each constable a token money from the secret funds at his department's disposal. That neutralised the temptation of the paltry bribes the Bangladeshi's offered the men on search-and-weed operations typically conducted between 2 and 5 am. Hundreds were thus spotted and deported.

    How it was Thwarted?

    The issue found greater attention when Shiv Sena [ Images ] chief Bal Thackeray [ Images ] began to demand that Mumbai should cease to be a dharamshala for Bangladeshis and linked all mischief in Mumbai to them. When his party and the Bharatiya Janata Party [ Images ] formed the government in Maharashtra, he asked then Chief Minister Manohar Joshi [ Images ] to start the hunt for them. Joshi realised that the state had a procedure to follow but Thackeray had threatened to have the Shiv Sena cadres undertake the job.

    That nettled the Centre which sent then Union Home Minister Indrajit Gupta to Mumbai where it was decided that West Bengal would help determine if the suspects were Bangladeshis or West Bengalis. But nothing much happened; the issue took a backseat with the media losing its interest. The media, if you notice, has a short attention span in India.

    From the statistics I have, 5,301 were deported between 1982 and 1994. From 1995 when the Sena-BJP government was formed, that is from 1995 to April 2005, as many as 4,908 were detected and deported. But during the process, some of those being sent by train towards the Indo-Bangla border were intercepted by CPI-M activists and freed when they traversed through West Bengal.

    The Illegals: Mumbai's Bangladeshis - Rediff.com India News
     
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  3. Predator

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    ^ those CPM cadres should have been booked for treason. Today those very same illegal bangladeshis have become votebank for CPM in WB.
     
  4. Predator

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    >>Another fact: so far, not a single Bangladeshi, legal or illegal, has been found to have been involved in any action that even bordered on security breaches or terror.

    This shows how misinformed the media is. HuJi which is a bangladeshi terror group has been involved in many terror attacks in India

    this is from 2006
    ISI now outsources terror to Bangladesh
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    The identification of Indian Muslims and Bangladeshi Muslim is the problem since the layers to cover the real identity are too many.
     
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    India?s way of dealing with the problem has been mostly unilateral. Thus when reports appeared of an exodus of suspected Bangladeshis from Assam for fear of vigilante action, following a local youth group?s call for an economic boycott, Bangladesh promptly threatened to seek the intervention of the United Nations Human Commission for Refugees.

    One can hardly blame them. In Operation Pushback in the Nineties, suspected Bangladeshi illegal immigrants were rounded up and deported even though Ban- gladesh had not agreed that the people were Bangladeshi citizens. They were simply left in the no-man?s-land between the two countries with the Border Security Force pointing guns at them from one side and the Bangladesh Rifles doing so from the other.

    There are important differences between the US situation and India?s. Very few of India?s poorer countrymen carry identity papers. Many of them move around in search of livelihood. It would be dangerous to go by looks and decide that a new group of people in town are Bangladeshis. Giving policemen the right to ask for identity papers is a sure way of bringing harassment to them. On the other hand, a highly compromised system of obtaining official documentation effectively puts on fast-track the process of an illegal immigrant becoming a citizen with voting rights. This has few parallels in the world.

    Most suspected Bangladeshis fleeing from the Dibrugarh area of Assam, according to reports, were workers in the construction industry ? working at brick kilns and building sites ? and rickshaw-pullers. From random conversations with people in these occupations in Assam it appears that a significant number are seasonal migrants. They come in increasing numbers from other parts of India as well as from Bangladesh in response to the massive labour demand in north-east India?s booming construction industry. The Assamese discourse on illegal Bangladeshi immigration assumes that all illegal migrants, as before, are potential settlers and citizens, but the reality may be quite different. There is now a transnational grid of seasonal movement by the labouring poor in south Asia and Bangladeshis are certainly a part of it.

    However, to save themselves from harassment, seasonal migrants from Bangladesh have to seek the protection of powerful political patrons and they try to get some form of official documentation as proof of citizenship. Were legal status in India as temporary workers ? like the ones applicable to Mexicans in the US ? available to them, one wonders if they would have had an interest in claiming citizenship. Indeed, a transnational legal regime for temporary workers ? something that can be established only with Bangladesh?s cooperation ? might significantly reduce the demand for political patrons and the market for false documents to prove citizenship. Making such a status available could also reduce the anxiety of many Assamese and other north-easterners about the impact of illegal immigration on the state?s future demographic and political balance.

    Of course, there is much that can be done about illegal immigration that does not depend on cooperation with Bangladesh. India?s laws, for instance, could target and penalize the contractor, the brick-kiln owner, the house-builder or the land-owner who prefers employing illegal immigrants because they are cheaper and less likely to assert their rights. Historically, the incapacity of the Assam government to protect public lands from encroachments ? be it forests or the flood plains of the Brahmaputra -? has been a major factor in attracting immigrants to Assam.

    Apart from the political trouble this has caused, the state?s cavalier attitude to its responsibilities as custodian of public lands has significantly worsened the region?s environment and quality of life. The incapacity to hold on to public lands has also created the political space for vigilantism. In western Assam, for instance, the fact that many ?Bangladeshi? victims of Bodo violence were settled in lands that are legally-speaking reserved forests, has made it impossible to resettle them after the violence ended. This has also created a dangerous example in the region of the effectiveness of vigilante action to deal with the illegal encroachment on public lands by ?Bangladeshis?.

    India?s reliance on unilateralism in dealing with illegal immigration may reflect a misunderstanding about power and influence in the world of international relations today. The political scientist, Joseph Nye, uses the metaphor of a three-dimensional chess game to describe the contemporary world. There is the traditional level of hard military power, the second level of economic power and influence, and a third level where Nye places migration along with currency flows, the media, the internet and transnational movements of various kinds. Countries that wield power at one level may be quite ineffective at another.

    Excerpt from The Telegraph - Calcutta : Opinion
     
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    political parties of the indian states of Assam and WB gain from these BDs politically.....they are their vote banks!

    they will resist Detection, Detention and Deportation of these BDs from India!
     
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    the report from telegraph is rubbish, even a poor person has a ration card which can be used to identify him and his native place. telegraph has been blinded by regionalism and tries to draw an parallel between the US-Mexico situation which is foolish. My question to telegraph is, How many mexicans are involved in terrorist activities? If mexicans were found indulging in terrorism in america, would the US army be silent or invading mexico?
     
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    Looking at pictures of the camps in Assam for riot victims, I noted the large number of small kids.

    India could regularise Bangladeshi illegals already inside by offering citizenship condition to compulsary sterilisation for both husband and wife if they have 2 or more kids [that should discourage more illegals]. Also fence the border n emergency basis and maintain strict vigil with shoot to kill orders to BSF, no more rubber bullets. Bangladeshis/East Pakistan separated in 1947 in horrific violence from undivided India by their own choice when their folk decided they could not live with the kuffar/kafir, they should stick by their choice.
     
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    They might claim that they are Dalits and so you are discriminating with caste Hindus of Assam!

    Already Mulayam's heart is bleeding, do you want Mayawati to join the fray?

    The Congress is correct, let the problem fester and it will go away as all problems go away if you pretend that they don't exist!
     
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    You hardly have any idea about that incident. And a sentence marked in red not necessarily true. I can personally testify many people on that train were from my locality and my district (Howrah); not Bangladeshi. It is to some extent difficult to differentiate a Bangladeshi from the people of border areas bacause of accent and other things. However, they are strikingly different from the people who live in Western banks of Hoogly river (district of Bardwan,Howrah, Hooghly etc). Clearly whoever were responnsible for the deportation did not take necessary caution. Some CPM leaders were leading the mob that stopped the train, but their stance was right. Thousands of villagers were there. But the outcome is some real Bangladeshi too ran away.
     
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    I wonder why the 'Muslim' is always associated with bangladeshi immigrants. I cant say about Assam and other states, but about South Bengal, I can bet maximum of Bangladeshi are Hindus. I live in Baguiati- on VIP road and I think half of the population here is Bangladeshi Hindus. (they came in different phases- 1947, 1971 and perhaps yesterday). Most of the families have relatives in both countries. So it is easier for them to sell property in Bangladesh and buy in India. And, when you blame political leaders, dont forget many of them are actually refugee from Bangladesh and they dont have hesitation to help their brothers who are stuck in Bangladesh to settle here. Rise of communal parties (they were always there actually) have increased the trends. Another easy ploy is to send young boys and girls to relatives in India before the Xth standard exam, because the Admit Card of that examination is considered an important document. Some of us however always think all Bangladeshi are Muslims and then wonder why people in WB allow those illegal immigrants.
     
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    Why it is difficult to deport illegal Bangladeshi?

    (I am just giving the reasons for West Bengal)

    1) Identification. Even I cant differenciate a bangladeshi and a person from border area. It is not that difficult to get necessary documents.

    2) Millions of people came from West Pakistan in 47, in 71. Many of these families have relatives in Bangladesh. What to do if they hide the newcomers and help them to get necessary documents.
    hey

    3)Many dadas in different political parties themselves were refujees. So they are sympathetic to their brothers (especially Hindus) who are suffering in hand of Muslims.

    Muslims from Bangladesh are mainly labour class while Hindus belonged to all classes. The poors come and set up slums, the middle class and upper middle class generally seel their property in Bangladesh and buy in India. The Muslims generally prefer to move to cities like Delhi, Mumbai where they can get work. West Bengal is densly populated State. It is difficult to come and settle anywhere if the local population is not supportive. ANd scope of work is less here.

    I think the situation is different in N-E where Bangladeshi Muslims are encroaching in tribal lands thus creating local conflicts. Govenrment need to understand these differences ad formulate strategies accordingly. Before that they need to have a clear cut policy towards bangladeshi Hindus too- they are refugees orillegal immigrants.
     
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    Let they be hindu or muslim... they must be dealt with iron hand. Our Sickular govt sees the vote bank always. They are creating trouble in our country..
     
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    anybody who enters india from bd after 25th march 1971 is illegal migrant be it hindu or muslim.
    we should see illegal migrant as illegal not hindu or muslim
     
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    Its only because UPA and Bakwas NDA...:sad:
     
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    [video]http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/the-big-fight/watch-the-big-fight-how-to-prevent-illegal-immigration/326771[/video]
     
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    Our only of hope to stop migration is if Bangladesh continues to grow as it has been over the decade.
     

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