Why India needs to adopt a different colonial language

[W.G.Ewald]

India needs to adopt another colonial language and discard English. This anglo language hurts India more than anything. I propose that a european language that had a historical presence in India be made India's national language. So according to wikipedia, there are 4 such candidates : Danish, Dutch, French and Portuguese.

I would argue that Indians have made their own language out of English.

And, why adopt a language from another colonial power (even Denmark)?

Danish colonial empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[W.G.Ewald]

I would argue that Indians have made their own language out of English.

And, why adopt a language from another colonial power (even Denmark)?

Danish colonial empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Internet Explorer sucks.

 

[Phantom]

This thread made me so open minded that my brains fell out and crawled their way into the sewer.

 

[sunny_10]

This thread made me so open minded that my brains fell out and crawled their way into the sewer.

I would argue that Indians have made their own language out of English.

And, why adopt a language from another colonial power (even Denmark)? :ranger:

A colonial language is there because it became a pan India language and a language for higher education and administration. :ranger:

In the Mughal times, it was Persian, which was considered the language of culture and science.

Which language should be the language of India?

we have a similar news as below too :thumb:

IIMs' tryst with Chinese: Mandarin emerges as popular course at IIMs

BANGALORE/NEW DELHI: As India plays catch-up with its bigger Asian neighbour China, Mandarin has emerged as a popular course at some of the IIMs. One of them, IIM Bangalore (IIMB), says Indian students cannot afford to be left behind as the two countries compete in every sphere of economic activity. "Realisation has dawned that our future business lies with China and we cannot be left behind if we have to make a mark on the world economic stage," said professor S Swaminathan who teaches Business Chinese — Language Course at IIM-B.

The Chinese business course helps students carry out day-to-day conversations on a vocabulary base of 550 words. The teaching lays stress on pronunciation of syllables as Chinese is a tonal language and is taught through the medium of PINYIN (Romanised way of learning Chinese). "The onus is on India to compete with China in every sphere of economic activity. We have a lot to learn from the Chinese module of economic growth and become really competitive in world business activity. In fact, neighboring countries like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Myanmar have more Chinese participation in their respective economies, whereas we have been slow," said the professor.

Spoken Chinese (Mandarin) was first introduced for the batch of 2011-2013 in the second year. It is a letter-grading course, where the professor uses 'Excellent', 'Good' and 'Unsatisfactory'. Scores are added to the student's CGPA (Cumulative Grade Point Average).

Around 44 students from the 2013 batch opted for Mandarin, said Swaminathan, out of a class of 381. This year's numbers are not available as the second year students (batch 2012-2014) are yet to pick their 5th semester electives. IIM Ahmedabad, too, has included Mandarin in the 5th semester but a response from the institute is awaited. IIM Calcutta has begun offering Mandarin in the last two years along with courses in French, Spanish or German. Students are awarded a certificate of completion on clearing tests and a final exam, but no scores are added to the CGPA. In the last three years, IIM Calcutta has seen its peak batch sizes doubling from 40-45 three years ago to 80-85 in January 2013 for foreign languages.

NOT MANY TAKERS

But not all IIMs agree that introducing a language course as an elective will have many takers. Specially, if it is a language like Mandarin which is tough to learn, forget master. "During a downturn, a student would rather take another marketing or finance course than a language course as an elective. In 30 hours, one cannot learn Mandarin which requires learning how to speak, write and read to gain enough fluency, unlike many Western languages," said G Venkat Raman, professor, business ethics at IIM Kozhikode who learnt Mandarin from Peking University a few years ago.

Two years ago, he floated the idea of a course titled 'Doing Business In Emerging Markets — Insights from China' but it had no takers. But IIM Bangalore justifies the course saying software professionals, engineering graduates and businessmen looking to improve business opportunities have started learning Chinese. "Month-on-month, the trade traffic between India and China has been growing steadily and appreciably. Hence the need to effectively communicate in Chinese," said Swaminathan.

Knowing a language helps during placements — the final goal for many students. Vinod Babu Sangana, a student of IIM Indore, had taken up French for a year, although it was not part of his curriculum. He got placed with Capgemini as a senior consultant and says it will help him during his onsite operations. "In the interview, I was asked how well versed I am with the language and how much I can interact in it," said Sangana.

Some of the IIMs have attempted tie-ups with colleges in China through student exchange programmes. For its one-year executive MBA programme, IIM Shillong has formed an alliance with Ocean University China though a programme called "Understanding China — Business and Culture". :thumb: For companies, a candidate knowing a foreign language is always a plus. "At Bain, a working knowledge of the relevant foreign language can indeed be a big leg-up for a consultant to succeed away from his or her home market," said Nikhil Prasad Ojha, a consulting partner who oversees HR for Bain India.

 

[Ray]

IIMs' tryst with Chinese: Mandarin emerges as popular course at IIMs

IIM is business oriented and China is the surging economy.

Mandarin is a tonal language.

Eg A very common example used to illustrate the use of tones in Chinese are the four tones of Standard Chinese applied to the syllable "ma."


Example of Standard Mandarin tones
Hanzi Pinyin Pitch contour Meaning
妈/媽 mā high level "mother"
麻 má high rising "hemp"
马/馬 mǎ low falling-rising "horse"
骂/罵 mà high falling "scold"
吗/嗎 ma neutral question particle

So, the word ma, depending on the tone means a different object.

It is a complicated language to most.

 

[TrueSpirit1]

IIMs' tryst with Chinese: Mandarin emerges as popular course at IIMs

IIM is business oriented and China is the surging economy.

Mandarin is a tonal language.

Eg A very common example used to illustrate the use of tones in Chinese are the four tones of Standard Chinese applied to the syllable "ma."


Example of Standard Mandarin tones
Hanzi Pinyin Pitch contour Meaning
妈/媽 mā high level "mother"
麻 má high rising "hemp"
马/馬 mǎ low falling-rising "horse"
骂/罵 mà high falling "scold"
吗/嗎 ma neutral question particle

So, the word ma, depending on the tone means a different object.

It is a complicated language to most.

And the script is hieroglyphics, I guess.

 

[sunny_10]

IIM is business oriented and China is the surging economy. :ranger:

It is a complicated language to most.

And the script is hieroglyphics, I guess.

hmmmmmm, IIM are business oriented, and businesses are growing in China with the fastest pace. and whether its an interesting language or not, we are discussing another 'Colonial Language' and yes Mandarin is also one of them

and this is how business of China is growing, a first cut look on them. even if their high tech business has a portion of imported products too, have a look on their high tech export business as compare to USA, for example...... and this data for China might be well over $600billion+ by 2013 :ranger:

=> High-technology exports (current US$) | Data | Table


and this is how patents are being done, and we hope China to get the first spot within just few years from now. a time is very closed when western firms would now start copying Chinese techs :thumb:

=> List of countries by patents - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Indo-Persian culture has helped produce certain composite traditions within the South Asia that survive to this day, of which the Urdu language and literature is notable. The legacy of Indo-Persinate culture moreover can also be seen in much of the Mughal architecture within Lahore, Delhi and Agra, latterly of which the Taj Mahal is world renowned. Indian classical music also owes much, including some ragas and instruments, to the Persian culture. In many ways, the absorption and assimilation of Persian or Persianate culture within India may be compared to the gradual (if sometimes problematic) absorption of English, British or Western culture generally of which the English language is perhaps the most notable and controversial within both India and Pakistan today. The influence of Persian language moreover may be seen in the considerable proportion of loan words absorbed into the vernaculars of the north and north-west of the South Asia including Punjabi, Gujarati, Bengali, Urdu, Hindi, Kashmiri and Pashto.

Indo-Persian culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Armand2REP]

French is far more widely spoken than Portuguese.