Why India is reluctant to host Israeli Prez Shimon Peres

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  1. sasi

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    Why India is reluctant to host Israeli Prez Shimon Peres | Firstpost
    Jerusalem: The India-Israel friendship has been flying very well under the radar for years, arguably to the benefit of both sides. But Israel now wants a public acknowledgement of the bond. It would like India to invite President Shimon Peres for a visit to put a seal on the relationship and take it to a higher level.
    India is reluctant for reasons that have more to do with history than the present and even less the future. Israelis understand the compulsions but they feel India continues to hide behind old excuses,some of which, they feel, are no longer valid .
    Both countries have worked quietly to provide what the other needs and so far this behind-the-scenes strategy has borne fruit. The gains are substantial especially in the realm of defence where Israel has provided a wide array of equipment and options to India without the difficulties that New Delhi hasfaced for example with the United States. The total India-Israel defence trade over the past decade is estimated to be around $10 billion, an impressive figure considering it has only been 20 years since full diplomaticrelations were established. Israel has quickly risen to beIndia’s second largest defence supplier after Russia. The positive side of the ledger is heavy, the trust palpable and growing.
    Kargil was the turning point when Israel proved its credibility by sending the much-needed ordnance and laser-guided bombs in India’s hour of need. Since then defence trade has expanded to include the Phalcon Airborne Warning and Control Systems (AWACS), missile systems, unmanned vehicles and counter-infiltration devices for the LOC in Jammu & Kashmir. Israel has also helped upgrade and refit some of the old Russian fighter jets. The volume of defence trade has allowed Israel to scale up production and R&D, a point Tel Aviv appreciates.
    The good has got better with time. Yet, India finds it hard to publicly acknowledge leave alone celebrate the true value of the relationship because of “political sensitivities” –a cauldron into which a plethora of reasons can be thrown, some credible, some outdated and some even lazy. The big one is the “Muslim vote” which it is speculated would get alienated if India were seen as too close to Israel because of the Palestinian question. Of course, there is no hard research to support or disprove the notion but it is comfortable groupthink used by politicians and diplomats alike.
    This line of reasoning assumes that Indian Muslims cannot understand the nuance and need of India’s national interest, which currently require a robust defence relationship with Israel given the tough South Asian neighbourhood and the paucity of reliable arms suppliers. It also assumes that Indian Muslims would necessarily place their country’s interests below those of the Palestinians’ whose cause, incidentally, the government of India continues to support both diplomatically and financially. As for the reaction of Arab countries – if the Palestinians have been betrayed by anyone more than the Israelis, it is the Arabs who haveplayed games and even punished a desperate people by cutting off funding in the past .
    The second reason cited for shunning public diplomacy with Israel is the ire of the Indian Left parties who will no doubt organise protests and outrage. But even they would agree that their history of identifying Indian national security interests, leave alone securing them is a chequered one. The brotherhood of the oppressed has got India zero gains in the international arena and it is time the Left focused solely on making the government deliver to the oppressed at home – a hugely worthy pursuit –and left foreign affairs to the realists.
    Political sensitivities are manageable but is it the righttime for Peres to visit India? Israel, no doubt, is pushing the envelope with India when it asks for a presidential visit. Ministerial visits and exchanges between service chiefs from both sides have been a regular feature. The visit of former foreign minister, SM Krishna, to Israel earlier this year – the first in nearly a decade by an external affairs minister was a “coming out” of sorts by Delhi. For Israel a logical progression would be the ceremony and pomp of a Rashtrapati Bhavan reception.
    India can give the nod but it would certainly make it easier for New Delhi if Israel resuscitated the peace process and showed credibleintent vis-a-vis the Palestinians. But hard line policies of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman, give little hope. And their diplomacy on the issue has been anything but delicate. In the run up to the UN General Assembly vote last month granting Palestinethe status of a “non-memberstate with observer status,”
     
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    One who is true indian, and a patriotic indian would understand the importance of indo-israel relations.
    India should come first for any indian citizens, so i dont understand why give 2 hoots for what some people think in openly acknowledging indo-israelie relations.
     
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    This Congress walas are bunch of cowards... India have to make choice here no escaping now... Nation interest is above all and that also include vote bank politics...
     
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    Congress wary of its vote bank that is muslim votes kinda of not good for them to click pics with Peres with election approaching.
    Anyway if the President of Israel is coming better kick the leftist,radical fundamentalist in their a$$ before they are start messing around.
     
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    For a patriot, Secularism means India first. India-Israel friendship is the need of the hour, to tackle Pakistan and its terrorist children.
    We might have our differences, but is it fair to not look at our similarities as well, of which there is a great deal?
    Agreed, the congress is too afraid of losing its muslim votebank, perhaps, the only group of people who still believe in the sinking party.
     
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    If one analyse the current geo political situation around India... we have no alternative but to have friendship to all those who oppose terrorism and Israel is key member to the group... This is the defining moment for India and will Congress fail again ??
     
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    When you have some one who is helping you so well... why still hesitate??????... Infact he should be invited to be present on 26/1/2013 parade.....
     
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    For countering KSA with Iran and maintaining balance b/w Islamic and Western Power Israel has to be maintained at the fulcrum ends .Not too far and not too close :)
     
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    well its open fact, that India/israel relation is always under the table.

    mainly due to 2 reasons.

    India want to maintain diplomatic relation with Arabs to counter pakis on kashmir

    India/political parties want to maintain local Muslim votes
     
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    Its time to host Ahmadinejad. not Peres.
     
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    trackwhack Tihar Jail Banned

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    The time has been ripe for India to host both ahmadinejad and Israeli leadership together for years now. We could have fixed this, we still can fix this.
     
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    That is true, India can milk Israel & at the same time use Iran as leverage to make POTUS realize what he is losing.
     
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    when SL president is hosted here ,then why not israel
     
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    Out of Topic.....:p
    In the Book of Genesis, Chapter 12, Verse 1-3, we see what God says about His response to how people treat Israel:

    "And I will bless those that bless you and curse the one who curses you. And in you shall all families of the earth be blessed."
     
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    at least one couuntry in south east asia which had israeli military assistance openly invited the Israeli Prezs for official visits on two occasions - some people with some religious affiliation mildy "protested" but the visits went through without difficulties - if smaller south east asian nations can do it , shouldnt be a big deal for india to do so as well ? ........after all everybody knows by now ......it's an open secret that the Saudi Royal Family ( the temporal guardians of religion ) are pally-wally with the israelis ?
     
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    roma NRI in Europe Senior Member

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    ............... superb lateral thinking, Sir !
     
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    Do tell me how India can host two people who want to kill each other at the same time? On the Israel issue, all I say is that both sides are absolutely mad, with no humanity in them. You can't fix this, no one can.

    Do you think Iran gives two hoots for Palestine? On the same note, do you think Pakistan does? No, not at all, it's all about power
     
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    Yes..Good Suggestion ..Peres in Republic day Parade Sounds like yeah Hindustan


    Problem is Modi can invite him if he will be our PM...

    Congress (BS) They need chair not the Relation
     
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    trackwhack Tihar Jail Banned

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    I don't expect a paki to understand. Did I mention Palestine?
     
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    truthseer Tihar Jail Banned

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    You don't need to. It's a given that the most contentious issue between the two countries is that issue. So that does come in.
     

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