why , IAF never did air excercise with Russian air force

[luckyy]

they be doing this with french , UAE , Singapore , oman , US , british ....

still , 45 years after the first MIG-21 landed into IAF , ....IAF yet to conduct a air exercise with russians....

 

[Rama]

english english my friend

 

[p2prada]

Russia and India have not engaged each other as strategic military partners like what the US is trying to accomplish. Also, US and India are interested in joint patrolling of the Indian Ocean to prevent Chinese presence. Thus we have joint exercises with US and not Russia.

Perhaps in 15 or 20 years, we will have interest in the North Pole and may have exercises with the Russians then.

 

[A.V.]

english english my friend

I am not sure thats is a valid case sir , Operational exercises can be done even without much language problems i guess the problem with indian and russia in the last decade was too much of emphasis on the individual strategic parameters , Russia was busy with its neighbourhood and india with global powers who were trying to lure her so i guess in the future we will see a start with this and also the truth is indian pilots , technical staff are ever present in Russia trying , flying all sorts possible on the various places including moscow to irkust and vladivostoc

 

[EagleOne]

this may be because, we mostly use their fighters and we are first trained by them ,so the gaining skills will less from each other .
because the exercises are mainly focused on gaining skills, increases the professional capabilities of fighters.

 

[luckyy]

one intresting thing is that only resently after year 2002 , IAF is been getting more into air exercises with different cuntries..

one reason IAF currently doing so many air exercises with different cuntries could be SU-30MKI..

they all like to have a close look at the SU-30MKI..

 

[keshtopatel]

Language is not a barrier here. Russians have done excercise with Americans just last month alone.......

 

[bhramos]

this may be because, we mostly use their fighters and we are first trained by them ,so the gaining skills will less from each other .
because the exercises are mainly focused on gaining skills, increases the professional capabilities of fighters.

You are almost correct. we used their strategies on their aircrafts......
India is the First country to develop or translate the Russian manuals into english for its best possible use on its fighters.
until 2000 we used to develop a new strategy of a plane based on Russian planes for our conditions. so only India was able get sucess on Mig's where no other countries could get it. on best US planes used by Pak.

 

[keshtopatel]

this may be because, we mostly use their fighters and we are first trained by them ,so the gaining skills will less from each other

If we do naval excercise with Russians, having Kilo class submarines, and thier frigates, destroyers, thier Kamovs, klubs, and Brahmos, why not Air joint excercise? I think the reason given above does not hold any water.....

If you have anything more on this, please elaborate, because skill is as good for marines too, who are doing thier bit with Russians.

But here is 2 days ago news:

Air forces of Russia and India may hold joint exercises in the next few years, Russian Air Force chief, Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin, said after his visit to India.

"We will definitely hold joint exercises," he said.

The proposal has already been submitted for consideration to the governments of the two states. The joint exercises, if approved, may take place in 2011 or 2012.

Hence skill factor is irrelivant here!

 

[LETHALFORCE]

One reason as strange as it sounds maybe Russian fear of revealing the differences in the warplanes they export and the ones they use for themselves?

 

[EagleOne]

If we do naval excercise with Russians, having Kilo class submarines, and thier frigates, destroyers, thier Kamovs, klubs, and Brahmos, why not Air joint excercise? I think the reason given above does not hold any water.....

If you have anything more on this, please elaborate, because skill is as good for marines too, who are doing thier bit with Russians.

ok how many aircraft we made indigenously -one tejas living (hal marut) tejas still under construction how many differt planes we have apart from russian fighters -40 french one

so now comming to navy we have
ins viraat - british made
ins jalswa -uss
ins delhi - indigenously mixture of western and russian
Brahmaputra class frigates- indigenously build
Godavari class frigates-indigenously build with russian ,indian ,western wepon systems
Sea Kings-british build
Sea Harrier-british build
Hal dhruv - with german assistance
scorpion class sub-french

in navy we have lots of variteies and the have started exersices in 2001 we have induction some of the above before that
so they can know about more systems

But here is 2 days ago news:
Hence skill factor is irrelivant here

so why in childhood we are asked to more pactices in mathematics/physics ... exercise/problems to increse what ?
otherwise give me the reson ..
and they are going to do exercise in 2011 or 2012 lets see they will conduct exersice before induction of mmrca aircrafts or after

 

[keshtopatel]

One reason as strange as it sounds maybe Russian fear of revealing the differences in the warplanes they export and the ones they use for themselves?

Humm!

Russia is armament export nation. On the contrary they would exihibit there best, a showcase, for Indians to come and see thier futuristic models to be enticed and buy!

What about naval warfare joint excercise then in the same vien?

And why they are getting ready to do air exercise in coming year?

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Humm!

Russia is armament export nation. On the contrary they would exihibit there best, a showcase, for Indians to come and see thier futuristic models to be enticed and buy!

What about naval warfare joint excercise then in the same vien?

And why they are getting ready to do air exercise in coming year?

This is a interesting point one that has not been brought up before, have Russians and Chinese done any exercises??

 

[keshtopatel]

This is a interesting point one that has not been brought up before, have Russians and Chinese done any exercises??

.......The two countries held a joint exercise as a confidence building measure in India in 2008 and in China in 2007......For India and China that is...

As for Russia China:

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LDE68C086.htm

 

[LETHALFORCE]

This does not seem to be an air exercise but more SCO type exercise mostly army??

 

[keshtopatel]

ok how many aircraft we made indigenously -one tejas living (hal marut) tejas still under construction how many differt planes we have apart from russian fighters -40 french one

so now comming to navy we have
ins viraat - british made
ins jalswa -uss
ins delhi - indigenously mixture of western and russian
Brahmaputra class frigates- indigenously build
Godavari class frigates-indigenously build with russian ,indian ,western wepon systems
Sea Kings-british build
Sea Harrier-british build
Hal dhruv - with german assistance
scorpion class sub-french

in navy we have lots of variteies and the have started exersices in 2001 we have induction some of the above before that
so they can know about more systems

Russia supplies more than 70 percent of India's military hardware.

So If Indian Naval arm conducts joint exercise then it clearly means your arguments (of Skill issue) is not good enough!

so why in childhood we are asked to more pactices in mathematics/physics ... exercise/problems to increse what ?
otherwise give me the reson ..
and they are going to do exercise in 2011 or 2012 lets see they will conduct exersice before induction of mmrca aircrafts or after

This is akin to a straw man argument:

Person A: We should liberalize the laws on beer.
Person B: No, any society with unrestricted access to intoxicants loses its work ethic and goes only for immediate gratification.

The proposal was to relax laws on beer.
Person B has exaggerated this to a position harder to defend, ie, "unrestricted access to intoxicants"

 

[keshtopatel]

This does not seem to be an air exercise but more SCO type exercise mostly army??

As for as the bilateral co-operation stand - what a difference the day makes, when it comes to Wheels, Wings and Water?

Part of the Armed forces of the nation....

By the way, I was following your following stuff:

have Russians and Chinese done any exercises??

To cap this issue:

Armed forces are Government dominated fighting forces, known as military science. Now what does it matter, whether one branch of the Armed Forces were involved or the other? Its a political will of engaged nation.

US coast Gaurd is within its navy command, but in India its independent entity!

 

[LETHALFORCE]

SCO more or less has open the military cooperation between China and Russia In the future if India joins and military cooperation becomes trilateral (not possible yet)then the balance of power will shift away from the West to Asia. In other words the plan by Nixon and Kissenger to ween China away from the Soviet Union has failed miserably, China has become wealthy USA debt ridden and China and Russia still allied militarily(informally).

 

[keshtopatel]

SCO more or less has open the military cooperation between China and Russia In the future if India joins and military cooperation becomes trilateral (not possible yet)then the balance of power will shift away from the West to Asia. In other words the plan by Nixon and Kissenger to ween China away from the Soviet Union has failed miserably, China has become wealthy USA debt ridden and China and Russia still allied militarily(informally).

While Russia wants India (which has an observer status, so does Pakistan) into this fold, here is China courting Pakistan. But on the broad spectrum China may want Indian membership to diminish Uncle Sam´s power. My crystal ball says India would get through, due to its military might, and economic upturn give or take few years. But Pakistan would be a spoiler, as it would be inducted too, based on Chinese desire.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

While Russia wants India (which has an observer status, so does Pakistan) into this fold, here is China courting Pakistan. But on the broad spectrum China may want Indian membership to diminish Uncle Sam´s power. My crystal ball says India would get through, due to its military might, and economic upturn give or take few years. But Pakistan would be a spoiler, as it would be inducted too, based on Chinese desire.

It would not matter UN and the West did not prevent 4 India-Pak wars so SCO probably probably could not be any worst , they may want this setup to guarantee USA/NATO are permanently squeezed out of Asia, If India is a member and Pakistan is not they could play a bigger spoiler by still being tool to bring USA back into Asia.