Why Hindu hearts shouldn’t bleed For Israel

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Sometimes I am at my wit's end to see how some so called Hindutva-badis are defending Jews. Jews are the ultimate enemy of Sanatan Dharm.
Judaism is the fountainhead of the three most destructive religious phenomena on planet Earth - Christianity, Islam & most importantly Zionism. The first two are overt and hence can be eliminated only by adding opposite force. The third is covert, and the snake has to be found out first before we bash its head with a large stick.
A few years ago, RAW & Kerala police weeded out an Israeli MOSSAD cell. And Right wing still thinks they are our friends!
http://www.infowars.com/indian-raw-cracks-down-on-mossad-operations-in-india/

Israel and Zionism is the ultimate driving force behind USA, the ultimate enemy of Hindutva and Bharatvash. That makes Israel our ultimate target.
 

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Sometimes I am at my wit's end to see how some so called Hindutva-badis are defending Jews. Jews are the ultimate enemy of Sanatan Dharm.
Judaism is the fountainhead of the three most destructive religious phenomena on planet Earth - Christianity, Islam & most importantly Zionism. The first two are overt and hence can be eliminated only by adding opposite force. The third is covert, and the snake has to be found out first before we bash its head with a large stick.
A few years ago, RAW & Kerala police weeded out an Israeli MOSSAD cell. And Right wing still thinks they are our friends!
http://www.infowars.com/indian-raw-cracks-down-on-mossad-operations-in-india/

Israel and Zionism is the ultimate driving force behind USA, the ultimate enemy of Hindutva and Bharatvash. That makes Israel our ultimate target.
Israel-India alliance works in our favour for the time being.

One adversary at a time is the way to go, otherwise we will be making the same mistakes as the Jihadis who who fight like mindless cave zombies or the Nazi Germany which fought against too many enemies and lost.

When we fight our adversaries, we fight for the right reasons, at the right moment. We are too disorganized, weak at the moment.
 

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Firstly, we can admire them and draw inspiration on a personal level, even Doval does that, but shouldn't let that admiration dictate national policy. In fact, there is inspiration to be taken even from Muslims and Xtians on how they spread their ideology but we don't owe them anything as a payment for their second hand inspiration.

Very few people know that there was a high level Jewish-Hindu religious consultation in 2008 which led to a declaration. The gist of it is that Jews professed their understanding that Hindu Swastika has nothing to do with Hitler and therefore would refrain from accusing Hindus as being Nazi sympathisers, and urged Hindus to reconsider idol worship and polytheism. It's the latter which got to me. A nation of 15 million has the gall to tell us how to worship our gods and how to practice our religion despite us not sharing a land boundary. That's Jewish bigotry for you. It is humiliating to the core.

Here's the link to the PDF of the joint declaration :
http://www.millenniumpeacesummit.org/Hindu-Jewish_Summit_Information.pdf

Secondly, please count the number of nations which have been betrayed by the Jews, first Germany, France, then Russia (Bolsheviks). Then they partnered with Britain to formulate the Palestine declaration and later betrayed Britain by hacking British officers to death in 1945 once the Palestine declaration was passed. Then they allied with France to get nukes, later betrayed them too after the project was successfully completed. Then they befriended the US for help with various regional wars, later betrayed the US too by hitting their ship with missiles during the Six Day War ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident ). Then they befriended Iran to make nuclear weapons to counter India, took Iran's money, oil and later betrayed Iran by giving them duds. So, if you build alliances with Israel at the expense of your other interests and alliances, the day is not far when you will be left alone after being stabbed by Israel. To them, everyone else is just Goyim.

There is ample evidence that they have never been loyal friends to anyone. They are cunning, yes, admire them for that, like one admires a cobra out of mortal fear, one doesn't embrace it. Israel was also on the verge of selling weapons to Pakistan, it was caught by India and caused a major diplomatic row. Later Israel apologized to India and cancelled the sale.

British report reveals Israel’s arms exports to Pakistan

Israel not to supply weapon systems to Pakistan

Thirdly, there was a bomb blast in Delhi a few years back, which Israel claimed was done by Iran because "it used the classic explosives which Iran intel is known to use", it probably later turned out that Israel was behind that false flag to ruin India-Iran relations, because that case was magically buried, probably after some stern talk.

Fourthly, Israel needs India strategical to keep Pakistan tied up to prevent them from helping Turkey in the even of an Israel-Turkey war, but this status quo is not permanent. Sooner than later, Israel will manage to demolish Turkey and carve out Kurdistan. Once Turkey is no more a threat to Israel, India will be no more important to Israeli strategic interests. When that paradigm shift happens, they will openly start selling arms to Pakistan or blackmailing India to place bigger orders in exchange for differed sales to Pakistan.

Fifthly, if the 'Akhand Israel' project comes to fruition, they will have control over Suez Canal and can control/block shipping routes to India to blackmail us.



Sixthly, Israel needs access to Pakistani soil to destabilize Iran, and Baluchistan serves as the most convenient (path of least resistance) among other options to penetrate into Iran. Don't be surprised if Mossad has great working ties with ISI, don't go by Pakistani rhetoric alone, these guys bark even at CIA, while taking their weapons and aid and using it against India.

All in all, it is a nation of very cunning people with a history of backstabbing all their erstwhile allies. These are 'admirable people' who have the capacity to cause great damage to us, the only thing which is keeping them from doing so is the circumstances. So if India gives up all its strategic cards and pressure points and embraces Israel like an emotional fool, they will do to us what Afzal Khan intended to do to Shivaji.

The bedrock of a strategic friendship is the exact opposite of a natural friendship since it implies that "I will be in bed with you as long as strategic conditions are conducive." which, by corollary means that "once the strategic imperatives are no longer pressing, I am free to switch my alliances". Let's not confuse our strategic friendship with natural friendship. We are a pole in a multipolar world, which makes all other poles our competitors, bar none. There are no friends here, only alliances of convenience.

Whatever counter terror operations or patriotic wars Israel has fought (for which Indians seem to admire them), they have done so in the interest of self-preservation, not as a favor to any of us. We can admire them from a distance, but that doesn't make us any less awesome. In fact, India is a bigger success story than Israel, it's just that we have a civilization curse of being poor story tellers. Compare the amount of Holocaust movies Jews churn out versus the number of movies India makes to narrate its civilizational tales. A small country like Italy which had people of the same race, same language, same religion which was divided into 8 provinces took 23 years to integrate into one nation from the day they started their national integration plan; Even a relatively homogeneous country like Germany took 18 years for Bismark to unite after a lot of killing, It took Mao a decade of killing to integrate a homogeneous China, and yet we forget that a large country like India with so many tribes, races, religions, languages, ideologies was integrated from 580 princely states into one entity by Sardar Patel in just 18 months. Now, if someone had told that story properly, we'd all be proud of ourselves, but no one did, so we have to make do with being proud of someone else, so we latch on to Israel.

Here's a video of Indian Jews gloating about the golden days when they served with the British to subjugate the native Indians. The amount of superiority they profess over the locals is astounding. I hope all Hindu nationalists see this video :


cc @Sakal Gharelu Ustad @DingDong @OneGrimPilgrim @Bornubus
Musharaf was in the favor of improving ties with Israel.

On behalf of US, Israel provided the Pakis captured Soviet weapons from its war with Arabs to be used against USSR in Afghanistan.
 

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Firstly, we can admire them and draw inspiration on a personal level, even Doval does that, but shouldn't let that admiration dictate national policy. In fact, there is inspiration to be taken even from Muslims and Xtians on how they spread their ideology but we don't owe them anything as a payment for their second hand inspiration.

Very few people know that there was a high level Jewish-Hindu religious consultation in 2008 which led to a declaration. The gist of it is that Jews professed their understanding that Hindu Swastika has nothing to do with Hitler and therefore would refrain from accusing Hindus as being Nazi sympathisers, and urged Hindus to reconsider idol worship and polytheism. It's the latter which got to me. A nation of 15 million has the gall to tell us how to worship our gods and how to practice our religion despite us not sharing a land boundary. That's Jewish bigotry for you. It is humiliating to the core.

Here's the link to the PDF of the joint declaration :
http://www.millenniumpeacesummit.org/Hindu-Jewish_Summit_Information.pdf

Secondly, please count the number of nations which have been betrayed by the Jews, first Germany, France, then Russia (Bolsheviks). Then they partnered with Britain to formulate the Palestine declaration and later betrayed Britain by hacking British officers to death in 1945 once the Palestine declaration was passed. Then they allied with France to get nukes, later betrayed them too after the project was successfully completed. Then they befriended the US for help with various regional wars, later betrayed the US too by hitting their ship with missiles during the Six Day War ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident ). Then they befriended Iran to make nuclear weapons to counter India, took Iran's money, oil and later betrayed Iran by giving them duds. So, if you build alliances with Israel at the expense of your other interests and alliances, the day is not far when you will be left alone after being stabbed by Israel. To them, everyone else is just Goyim.

There is ample evidence that they have never been loyal friends to anyone. They are cunning, yes, admire them for that, like one admires a cobra out of mortal fear, one doesn't embrace it. Israel was also on the verge of selling weapons to Pakistan, it was caught by India and caused a major diplomatic row. Later Israel apologized to India and cancelled the sale.

British report reveals Israel’s arms exports to Pakistan

Israel not to supply weapon systems to Pakistan

Thirdly, there was a bomb blast in Delhi a few years back, which Israel claimed was done by Iran because "it used the classic explosives which Iran intel is known to use", it probably later turned out that Israel was behind that false flag to ruin India-Iran relations, because that case was magically buried, probably after some stern talk.

Fourthly, Israel needs India strategical to keep Pakistan tied up to prevent them from helping Turkey in the even of an Israel-Turkey war, but this status quo is not permanent. Sooner than later, Israel will manage to demolish Turkey and carve out Kurdistan. Once Turkey is no more a threat to Israel, India will be no more important to Israeli strategic interests. When that paradigm shift happens, they will openly start selling arms to Pakistan or blackmailing India to place bigger orders in exchange for differed sales to Pakistan.

Fifthly, if the 'Akhand Israel' project comes to fruition, they will have control over Suez Canal and can control/block shipping routes to India to blackmail us.



Sixthly, Israel needs access to Pakistani soil to destabilize Iran, and Baluchistan serves as the most convenient (path of least resistance) among other options to penetrate into Iran. Don't be surprised if Mossad has great working ties with ISI, don't go by Pakistani rhetoric alone, these guys bark even at CIA, while taking their weapons and aid and using it against India.

All in all, it is a nation of very cunning people with a history of backstabbing all their erstwhile allies. These are 'admirable people' who have the capacity to cause great damage to us, the only thing which is keeping them from doing so is the circumstances. So if India gives up all its strategic cards and pressure points and embraces Israel like an emotional fool, they will do to us what Afzal Khan intended to do to Shivaji.

The bedrock of a strategic friendship is the exact opposite of a natural friendship since it implies that "I will be in bed with you as long as strategic conditions are conducive." which, by corollary means that "once the strategic imperatives are no longer pressing, I am free to switch my alliances". Let's not confuse our strategic friendship with natural friendship. We are a pole in a multipolar world, which makes all other poles our competitors, bar none. There are no friends here, only alliances of convenience.

Whatever counter terror operations or patriotic wars Israel has fought (for which Indians seem to admire them), they have done so in the interest of self-preservation, not as a favor to any of us. We can admire them from a distance, but that doesn't make us any less awesome. In fact, India is a bigger success story than Israel, it's just that we have a civilization curse of being poor story tellers. Compare the amount of Holocaust movies Jews churn out versus the number of movies India makes to narrate its civilizational tales. A small country like Italy which had people of the same race, same language, same religion which was divided into 8 provinces took 23 years to integrate into one nation from the day they started their national integration plan; Even a relatively homogeneous country like Germany took 18 years for Bismark to unite after a lot of killing, It took Mao a decade of killing to integrate a homogeneous China, and yet we forget that a large country like India with so many tribes, races, religions, languages, ideologies was integrated from 580 princely states into one entity by Sardar Patel in just 18 months. Now, if someone had told that story properly, we'd all be proud of ourselves, but no one did, so we have to make do with being proud of someone else, so we latch on to Israel.

Here's a video of Indian Jews gloating about the golden days when they served with the British to subjugate the native Indians. The amount of superiority they profess over the locals is astounding. I hope all Hindu nationalists see this video :


cc @Sakal Gharelu Ustad @DingDong @OneGrimPilgrim @Bornubus
Excellent, one of your best and most objective posts ever. Thank you for sharing your knowledge (expertise ) over Israel. I can confirm that Israel and Pakistan have been cooperating for many years in several fields. Infact Musharraf's own security including training of his bodyguards and securing presidential vehicles and other stuff was set up with the help of Israel. USA and Jordan facilitated the trainings and meetings.
 

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Excellent, one of your best and most objective posts ever. Thank you for sharing your knowledge (expertise ) over Israel. I can confirm that Israel and Pakistan have been cooperating for many years in several fields. Infact Musharraf's own security including training of his bodyguards and securing presidential vehicles and other stuff was set up with the help of Israel. USA and Jordan facilitated the trainings and meetings.
You don't even recognize Israel as an entity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–Pakistan_relations
 

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And all this while I thought that atheists like me are the enemy of Hinduism ( and Islam, Christianity, Judaism )....well, well....
Wake up and smell the coffee. The time for religion is long gone. A large number of people have become non- practicing, atheists and agnostics.
And I say this as a supporter of capitalism!
 

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Israel-India alliance works in our favour for the time being.

One adversary at a time is the way to go, otherwise we will be making the same mistakes as the Jihadis who who fight like mindless cave zombies or the Nazi Germany which fought against too many enemies and lost.

When we fight our adversaries, we fight for the right reasons, at the right moment. We are too disorganized, weak at the moment.
Won't disagree with what you said. However, we can do business by keeping these hook noses at an arm's length. My objection is not with business, I'm merely pondering why some Hindus think that just because some Islamists have threatened Israel, it makes them our best friend? Sometimes snakes eat other snakes, that doesn't mean we go and pet the larger snake. We must kill it regardless, and not profess our love for it.
 

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Knowing that Israel is not all weather friend is not the same as going and fighting war against them on the side of Palestinians.

Let the ME boil itself, while we can buy cheap military hardware and oil.
Definitely so. Therefore, shame to all Hindutvabadis who think supporting Palestinian cause is hypocritical and pointless, because it largely serves our long term strategic goal.
 

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Israel-India alliance works in our favour
Yes it does, and has been, for a long time. Not a single commenter on the forum has even so much as suggested that we should alter our national ties with Israel in any way. We are all happy with the way things have turned out as far as national policy goes. The criticism is only directed towards providing more data points to Hindu fanboys of Israel who *might have* formed their opinions based on limited data points, or worse, based on emotions. Being aware of the facts about Israel doesn't translate into picking fights with Jews as a civilization or Israel as a nation, but more information never hurts, especially in the Indian context.

What hurts is people on twitter going "Israale halped Kargil, bro, bro, Kargil bro, weapon bro, I'm totally Zionist bro". Hopefully if we put more information out there, in the interest of academic accuracy, just for good measure, people could make more informed opinions, while national policy is still being decided by saner minds, as it has always been. We, as a civilization have never held historic facts in high regard, this has historically been our Achilles's heel which has led to outsiders coming in and narrating a poisoned versions of our own history to our generations, which led to the systematic destruction of our own confidence as a civilization and led to our colonization, half a dozen times from everywhere.

Central Asians came from the north, Persians from the west, Arabs from the south, and we lost to everyone, despite being larger to each adversary by at least 1:70 in size and capacity (and no one seems restless about it) . All because we weren't realpolitik people, we ran after पुरुषार्थ. Even today, the same 'information jihad' continues against us where the media is portraying Shivaji as secular icon, Savarkar as a British stooge and Bhagat Singh as a terrorist and nationalists have no objective data points to call out the lie. They are busy being Hindu Zionists and lauding Israel's successes while our nation is being attrited daily.

All the self-congratulating aside, one has to think why this keeps happening to us far more than it happens to others. Humari bhi kuch galati hogi na? Just trying to amend that, one blog post at a time. Everything is available on the internet, books have never been cheaper than they are today, and yet, our people don't have a habit of investing in History, as much as they do in Math and Science. It's a civilizational impediment. Someone has to eat up all the data and churn out bit sized blogs for people to take interest in History, before Rajedeep Sardesai and Barkha Dutt add Mirch Masala and start hawking their own snake oil.

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This one is appropriate here :


Taking inspiration from Jews as spiritual aid to accomplish our own missions doesn't mean burdening ourselves with Israel's national objectives. We have our own national objectives to achieve. Not even Israel does selfless service to anyone. They do what benefits them, even at the cost of their allies; I wish those who admire Israel took inspiration from this particular aspect as well.

If you read books on LTTE, Israel was training all 3 sides of the war. On one side they were giving weapons and training commandos of the Sri Lanka Army, on the other side they were arming and training LTTE soldiers, on the other hand they were also training Indian commandos, all three simultaneously on Israeli territory. There was some book written by a Mossad guy who narrated how Israel found it difficult to hide each group from the other while training in Israel and one time an Indian commando almost bumped into an LTTE guy being trained in an adjacent camp. That's Israel for you. If you want to admire an Israeli quality, this would be it. They go to any extent to secure their interests. They don't get emotional about their alliances. They don't call themselves 'Brahmin Jews' to show their loyalty towards India, there is no need for this Hindu Zionist crap that is going on since quite a while now.
 
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Everything is available on the internet, books have never been cheaper than they are today, and yet, our people don't have a habit of investing in History, as much as they do in Math and Science.
Because English is limited to few percentage people of india, as well as internet.
People still think TV/Media can't lie. Idiot like MMS is still hailed in local newspaper while Modi is still bad mouthed. Sometimes 50% of news are filled with anti-Modi here in local newspaper of Gujarat.
If you want to spread awareness, you need to translate your articles to local language as well.
 
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Great article. I would like to add Israel does not need Indian backing with the backing they have with USA. Obama ready to send 40 billion in aid. I also think relations with Israel should not come at the cost of the good relations we have with many Islamic countries

http://m.democracynow.org/headlines/2016/4/29/44965


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1.You said ONE jewish professor EXPRESSED his OPINION(against idol worship/Polytheism ), why you take it as ALL JEWS opinion!! YES, they consider themselves as chosen people and Xians,Muslims are idiots and copycats of their holy book and their god abraham..... btw that is true :p

2.Jews are typical-selfish mentality like every one else!!

3,4,5,6 all Conspiracy theories.

Jews may not be good but they are not bad or barbaric(like Muslims).
You have every right to disagree, but you are absolutely wrong. Whitewashing Jews as typical and putting up strawman arguments like "don't paint with a broad brush" certainly doesn't explain Zionism and its plans of a New World Order/Globalist government. The hook noses have been an eternal nuisance throughout their existence in history. You call them non violent? Good, you are ready for a Palestinian passport then.
 

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@Kshatriya87 @Navneet Kundu @OrangeFlorian @PrashantAzazel
@Bharat Ek Khoj @Pin

I have included the others in the alerts list below the post , the above are new names to me

Guys i can t believe much of what i have read in this post

Honestly who cares on a people to people basis what they think of us ?
We are concerned with Defence co-operation and on that score the relationship has been pretty much above average , in fact way above average

I notice that many Indians ( please notice that i did not say nor imply ALL Indians ) seem to have some kind of emotional need to buddy up or emotionally lean on some foreign nation ( mostly western or white ) ...and it reminds me of our largest ever national disaster called jn ...who originate all this "Bhai with foreigners" nonsense !

Our Bhais are our own people including many of our loyal Muslim and Christian people as well ......eg g our own @Yusuf -bhai saheb ...our own late Sir AP Kalam-Bhai saheb

Let us Bhai within our own people and while im at it , i would like to extend bhai status to many Pakistani people including those like Tarek Fateh -ji who genuinely regret pakistan and prefer to be Indian

WE DONT NEED TO BHAI WITH ANYONE ELSE , not with russia , nor israel , nor usa nor france nor no one

we pay for TOT and we get it from those who benefit from receiving our payments ...it was Indian was taxpayers money ....not free , not bcos they love us !

when usa put sanctions on us and we get from israel and france , we acknowledge their help and in future we also do likewise to help them .....even then payments are made , so nothing was free

so we need israel and they need us ........so we are good friends .... but cut the Bhai crap and stop getting emotional with people who are not our own and Israelis are NOT INDIAN ; for heavens sake !

and by the way if I had the authority and heard that there was an israeli cafe operating on Indian soil that doesn't serve indian people , it wouldnt take me 2 seconds to give the order to have it shut down ,. like right now !

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1.There are 100 cafes in that place,1 specifically given to Israelis is not a BIG CRIME.... just forget about it.

2.According to you-Israelis are not our own(don't need bhai-chara) but because of 2 or 3 good Muslims all Sub-continent muslims are our BHAI'S. :pound::pound:
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Most of the stakeholders of East India Company were Jewish.(Search google.)
 
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@saty @jus @Pin

Most of the stakeholders of East India Company were Jewish.(Search google.)
The world banking system is a Rothschild dynasty founded and controlled entity ;including central banks in almost all the countries are controlled by Jews. I think in many ways India's hawala system is a good independent system where outsiders have no access.


http://humansarefree.com/2013/11/complete-list-of-banks-ownedcontrolled.html?m=0
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1.You said ONE jewish professor EXPRESSED his OPINION(against idol worship/Polytheism ), why you take it as ALL JEWS opinion!! YES, they consider themselves as chosen people and Xians,Muslims are idiots and copycats of their holy book and their god abraham..... btw that is true :p

2.Jews are typical-selfish mentality like every one else!!

3,4,5,6 all Conspiracy theories.

Jews may not be good but they are not bad or barbaric(like Muslims).
Feel free to show me where I said anything about one Jewish professor expressing his opinion. It was a joint declaration of a high level panel. The PDF link has been made available, only if you had the courtesy to read before making Strawman arguments, the world could be a less embarrassing place for you.

3,4,5,6 have all been backed up with citations from Wikipedia. Again, you would've known it only if you read it.
 
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Sometimes I am at my wit's end to see how some so called Hindutva-badis are defending Jews. Jews are the ultimate enemy of Sanatan Dharm.
Judaism is the fountainhead of the three most destructive religious phenomena on planet Earth - Christianity, Islam & most importantly Zionism. The first two are overt and hence can be eliminated only by adding opposite force. The third is covert, and the snake has to be found out first before we bash its head with a large stick.
A few years ago, RAW & Kerala police weeded out an Israeli MOSSAD cell. And Right wing still thinks they are our friends!
http://www.infowars.com/indian-raw-cracks-down-on-mossad-operations-in-india/

Israel and Zionism is the ultimate driving force behind USA, the ultimate enemy of Hindutva and Bharatvash. That makes Israel our ultimate target.
This Jew-premi gang seems to have gotten a boost after Swamy's rise post 2014. Check out the Jewish iconography, namely, the Star Of David and the Manora,



and compare it with Swamy's logo :



Kuch toh gadbad hai Daya. Swamy's trolls are going all around the internet building arguments in favor of Jews, at the expense of Indian national interest, with total disregard for facts.

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