why hasnt india inducted a high quality apc/ifv

[p2prada]

In 4 years time India will be a 2 TRILLION dollar economy BUT IAF will still have MIG 21 and MIG 27 .

Which other 2 trillion economy does that ?

China.

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[JBH22]

China.

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USA $13 Trillion
China $8 Trillion
India $2 Trillion
Russia $1Trillion

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Abhya was a best in its time also now, CV-90 and South Korie modern APC are simple Abhya cousins..

 

[bhramos]

China.

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Thats true and 100% sure, only other nation which is Maintaining the Similar aircraft........

 

[Godless-Kafir]

just bit off the topic, here is how last armored jeep competition happen we still dont know the result, may be TATA won because of cheap product.

hope this type of competition happen for IFV.

What is the Vehicle in the center or 2 one from the left? Its named Vectra but does not look like the Ashok Leyland Vectra? Is it an modified Jonga?

 

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[debasree]

insted of importing mod should go to any of indian mnc to built these kind vehicles ,many foreign vendors will like to work company like tata or mahindra or leyland.

 

[BangersAndMash]

KBP-designed modernized fighting compartment of the BMP-2 - an efficient way of upgrading armoured vehicles
KBP-designed modernized fighting compartment of the BMP-2 - an efficient way of upgrading armoured vehicles

BMP-2M (with Kornet Launchers) - BMP-2M (with Kornet Launchers) Walk Around Page 1

 

[Kunal Biswas]

What a Morden APC should have:

1. More Troopers, 10-12men with better Crew comfort..
2. Better protection
4. Moderate Firepower
5. Good Mobility and Suspension..

BMP-2 is good but not good in terms of Crew Comfort also Protection, Men sometime have two traveled or live inside it for 48-72 hours or more, It have very crappy passenger cabin, Thats why in war Russian troops travel on top of their APC not inside..

Also a BMP-2 can be destroyed by a heavy machine-gun from Side or back and 80mm motar from top, Also the back doors of BMP-2 are fuel tanks, If hit by 50cal or bigger it explodes making hot gasoline into crew compartment kill its crew horribly

 

[p2prada]

Thats true and 100% sure, only other nation which is Maintaining the Similar aircraft........

Not exactly. The US also operates the F-5. It is a Mig-21 equivalent.

 

[Rahul M]

kunal, you are describing an IFV/ICV. APC is for transporting infantry under a certain level of protection with rudimentary or in some cases, no firepower. a perfect example of APC is the M113. M113 armored personnel carrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

MOD/IA has a running competition to develop a futuristic ICV

For those who did not read yesterday's Business Standard, four Indian companies --- Tata Motors; the Mahindra Group; L&T; and the MoD-owned Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) --- will submit proposals on 25th August for designing and building 2600 new-generation FICVs. Two vendors with the best proposals will be invited to develop a prototype each, contributing just 20% of the expense. Then, after the army chooses the better design, the winner will build 65-70% of the army's requirement of FICVs; the runner up will build the rest.

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this is to replace the BMP's. and IMHO it is as good a plan as any.

however, to bring the Sundarji plan * (Gen K Sundarji of op brasstacks fame) to fruition we do need a cheaper, ideally wheeled APC. however army hasn't so far shown ANY interest in such a vehicle. even a MPV/MRAP type vehicle might do.

* Sundarji plan, conceived in the 80's called for widespread mechanisation of the Indian army, leaving only the mountain divisions and a couple of infantry divisions in unfavourable terrain unmechanized.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

kunal, you are describing an IFV/ICV. APC is for transporting infantry under a certain level of protection with rudimentary or in some cases, no firepower. a perfect example of APC is the M113. M113 armored personnel carrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In Indian Army BMP-2 is considered as APC as it carriers 8 trooper inside and its sole vehicle in Mech Inf, BMP-2 is also considered ICV/ IFV as its been upgraded with additional 30mm AGL with 30mm cannon also a 7.62mg plus a ATGM above, Its also used for tank support Vehicle as it can lunch ATGM hence its use with heavy Armour, Its a Universal Armored Vehicle in Indian Army..

Indian Army use OFB MPVs in J&K..



My Idea abt a perfect APC/IFV/ICV in one is a heavily armored hull with a 30/40mm cannon and a ATGM launcher under RCWS..
Hull is something between Namer and Abhya yet Air transportable..

 

[Pintu]

Following a very good discussion , but since I'm a layman in this matter, just my cent of thought , can it be feasible to go for a wheeled version , or a modified BTR-80 by DRDO, by using the chassis of it ?

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[Kunal Biswas]

I don't understand the hoo hah behind the Abhay platform, it's conception was brainstormed in the 90s when Soviet style blitzkrieg on a conventional, defensive enemy was the pinnacle focus.

The hoo haa is because Abhay out gun, Out Run and Better protection with better crew comfort

 

[pack leader]

The hoo haa is because Abhay out gun, Out Run and Better protection with better crew comfort

i beg to differ although superior to death trap bmp 2 it's still too lightly armored .
and too weak in the engine department for true multipurpose capability .
the armament kit is nice except the atagm why not replace ancient konkurs with state of the art spike -ER .

 

[Kunal Biswas]

i beg to differ although superior to death trap bmp 2 it's still too lightly armored .
and too weak in the engine department for true multipurpose capability .
the armament kit is nice except the atagm why not replace ancient konkurs with state of the art spike -ER .

Its not so lightly armored, Looks can be deceiving , It use Kanchan armour same on MBT Arjun, The armour module is better..

Also the vehicle can be transported via IL-76, Army transport 2 x BMP-2 in one flight, Abhay should able to do the same..

Its upto Army decision, Indian Army use AT-5 and we have a huge amount, So Abhay use a dual rail ATGM launcher, If asked it can be changed..

But as the project is dead, Only private sectors can improve it..

 

[pack leader]

Its not so lightly armored, Looks can be deceiving , It use Kanchan armour same on MBT Arjun, The armour module is better..

Also the vehicle can be transported via IL-76, Army transport 2 x BMP-2 in one flight, Abhay should able to do the same..

Its upto Army decision, Indian Army use AT-5 and we have a huge amount, So Abhay use a dual rail ATGM launcher, If asked it can be changed..

But as the project is dead, Only private sectors can improve it..

your main air transport will be c-17
no problem carrying 2 cv 90 in one c-17
and 3 bmp/abbany will not fit any way
maybe you will build a heavy version of abbany

 

[Kunal Biswas]

your main air transport will be c-17
no problem carrying 2 cv 90 in one c-17
and 3 bmp/abbany will not fit any way
maybe you will build a heavy version of abbany

Yes, 2xcv90/Abhay is ok..

Its my view that we should have something like Namer with Heavy RCWS but smaller enough to be carrier on C17..