Why France was right to develop its Rafale

[asianobserve]

I think the Typhoon is well placed for a multi-role configuration. The CFT will easily solve the current problem of limited hardpoints. But the most attractive characterstic of the fighter will still be the fact that it's designed first as an air superiority fighter. And when it's finally configured for multi-role package then it will be like the more modern iteration of the F15E, more than adequate for strike roles yet still retain its original air superiority agility.

Rafale on the other hand is what you can consider a compromised fighter. It's trying to a little bit of everything right from the start.

 

[Drsomnath999]

I think the Typhoon is well placed for a multi-role configuration. The CFT will easily solve the current problem of limited hardpoints.

YES thats why EF needs to have CFT to carry that same payload like Rafale meanwhile rafale also has CFT provision but it is not mandatory for rafale as it has 5 heavy wet stations to carry that payload which i mention

&BTW no one is funding CFT for typhoon as per my sources

But the most attractive characterstic of the fighter will still be the fact that it's designed first as an air superiority fighter. And when it's finally configured for multi-role package then it will be like the more modern iteration of the F15E, more than adequate for strike roles yet still retain its original air superiority agility.

LOOLLLLZ
it seems ur a typhoon fanboy
dude EF is post dated cheque u dont know whether it would encash or bounce as it's partner states are suffering from dire economic crisis like spain & italy.This is the reason the typhoon consortium partners are desperately trying to woo
IAF by again renegotiating with the prices

Rafale on the other hand is what you can consider a compromised fighter. It's trying to a little bit of everything right from the start.

Who says you ,????
sweet dreams

just see

3)RAFALE'S SUPERB PERFORMANCE IN AERIAL EXERCISE WITH MIRAGE 2000 & f16:

http://www.dassault-aviation.com/fi...resse/lbg07/defense/rafale/foxThree_nr_10.pdf

RAFALE THRASHING TYPHOON 9-1 in Solenzara, 2009.

A first indisputable skirmish

The Armée de l' Air has been able to experience this superiority in dogfight in September 2009, during an exercise organized by the French and British headquarters, during a deployment on the Solenzara airbase in Corsica.

Few days , the EC-1/7 stands next with the Royal Air Force transformation squadron on typhoons. The English have thought of everything, and introduce to the French pilots the simulated engagement patterns they wish to practice facing the Rafale. The French pilots push back a smile: the conditions of the exercice are, on paper, custom-made for the Typhoons , they plan within visual range fights , 1 vs 1, under 20,000 ft and at 350 knots. Whatever. The 'Provence' squadron takes up the gauntlet ... The 2 planes take off, then meet up at 18 000 ft to start the exercise. The aircraft are flying on the same trajectory with about 2 km of lateral separation. "Turn Away" with this announcement, the pilots turn 45 ° outward, to move away from each other. A few seconds later, the "turn in" and the planes turn toward each other to meet face-to-face in the sky. Once both aircraft is within visual range , its the ultimate ad: "Fight's on!". The first skirmish is indisputable. It need less than 40 seconds and only 3 crossing for the Rafale pilot to have its gun in firing position. However, the pilots flying the two planes are far from beginners. While the English is considered a Typhoon specialist in air-to-air, the "Provence" pilot has also a solid experience in within visual range combat.

Nine wins, one defeat

This initial result is not a fluke: the two next passes end also to the advantage of the Rafale. In total, 4 different engagements will take place in Corsica, for a total of 9 wins against 1 defeat for the french fighter. A nice demonstration of force that inspires the pilots the following moral: without mastery, power is nothing ... It is however an area where the Typhoon is victorious: the one of exports. While the Rafale is still looking for a first client, the Typhoon has already been sold to Saudi Arabia and Austria, and remains opposed to the Rafale in Switzerland and India.

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Rafale's War Game with F-22 (2009)

One defeat for five draws.

The U.S. Air Force, however, put strict conditions surrounding the confrontation: the Raptor will not participate in any BVR exercise with foreign aircraft. The American pilots only accept to confront in dogfight, 1 vs 1, against crews that participate in the exercise. Pilots of the 1/7 take their chance ... and the results will be rather promising: on 6 engagements, only one has resulted, according to the French aviators, with a straightforward victory for the F-22A. The other 5 have ended with a 'draw' ,a situation of equality that can be obtained by various parameters: Dual protracted beyond a preset time,crossing of the floor set for the exercice ...
2 main parameters give the advantage to the Raptor in dogfight: the thrust vector and the enormous power conferred by its 2 reactors, which give each twice the thrust of the M88! Although it is much heavier than the Rafale, the F22A maintains a formidable manceuvrability that allows it to leave the most delicate BFM situations; even if it loses a lot of energy during maneuvers with the highest angle of attack, this energy can be quickly recovered by its engines.
But the french pilots are careful to qualify the Raptor as invulnerable: "Facing an F-22A, the Rafale can be put in firing position but it must do it very quickly, lest the roles reversed if the battle drags on" summarizes a French aviator.

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RAFALE has demonstrated it's remarkable air to air combat capabilty in every air exercise it has done with foreign aircrafts .Its no way a compromised fighter

 

[asianobserve]

I'm not really an EF fanboy. I was merely stating what I think could be a possible development and natural tendency of the EF likening it to the path taken by the F15E, which even you will admit was an excellent idea. The only problem with the EF consortium is that it is slow to act on the multi-role capability of the EF (owing to the fact that there are several countries involved) hence the multi-role version of the jet was not yet in top shape. But as I was saying the potential is there.

BTW, the much hyped F22 visual lock-on by Rafale is anything but expected since the exercise it had with the former was Within Visual Range (WVR)...

 

[Armand2REP]

Really? At least French pilots are not afraid to fly Rafale. F-22 pilots are scared of their own plane!

 

[asianobserve]

Really? At least French pilots are not afraid to fly Rafale. F-22 pilots are scared of their own plane!

Would you fly an aircraft that will strangle you at 65,000 ft?

 

[Drsomnath999]

I'm not really an EF fanboy. I was merely stating what I think could be a possible development and natural tendency of the EF likening it to the path taken by the F15E, which even you will admit was an excellent idea. The only problem with the EF consortium is that it is slow to act on the multi-role capability of the EF (owing to the fact that there are several countries involved) hence the multi-role version of the jet was not yet in top shape. But as I was saying the potential is there.

yes EF -2000 is a good jet no doubt about it.But like i said earliear it is a post dated cheque for us ,we have to fund many of it's capabilties from our own
pocket like CFT, TVC nozzles & even AESA radar also .Meanwhile rafale was a operational ready fighter with operational ready Air to ground capabilties ,
aesa radar ,cutting edge avionics & ECM .Moreover we have very good realtionship with french & IAF is very satisfied with Mirage 2000 planes.

But whatever EF 2000 is a good jet
It has slightly faster supercruise speed than Rafale
much better star war like HMSS system
Even someareas not all more manuverable than rafale & extremely agile

BTW, the much hyped F22 visual lock-on by Rafale is anything but expected since the exercise it had with the former was Within Visual Range (WVR)...

agree but that doesnt mean rafale cant face raptor in BVR warfare range

DO u know EA-18 growler has known to defeat F22 raptor in bvr warfare in aerial exercise.

 

[Drsomnath999]

Really? At least French pilots are not afraid to fly Rafale. F-22 pilots are scared of their own plane!

loollz
that was damn funny