Why does the Army act so CRUEL?

Discussion in 'Internal Security' started by EXPERT, Apr 28, 2014.

  1. EXPERT

    EXPERT Regular Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2012
    Messages:
    470
    Likes Received:
    288
    Location:
    From Heart to Brain
    Just wanted to discuss that why Army sometimes acts so CRUEL that makes no sense . . .


    * the unwanted killings happening in J&K & in MANIPUR shows that . . .
    * always the AFSPA act saves the guilty personal .
    * do we need to dispose off the act or we need any amendment .
    * who will provide justice to the families of the poor who killed, raped, tortured . . .

    Please discuss . . .


    IMPHAL: A petition listing Vice-chief of Army Lt Gen Dalbir Singh Suhag as one of the key respondents in an alleged fake encounter case has been filed in the Manipur high court. This comes at a time when Suhag's possible appointment as the next Army chief is facing opposition from the BJP.

    Three suspected militants from Manipur were killed after being apprehended allegedly by personnel of the Army's Rangapahar-based 3rd Corps' intelligence and surveillance unit in March 2010. Lt Gen Suhag was the GOC of 3rd Corps then.

    The brother of one of the victims, Phijam Manikumar, filed the petition with help from the Manipur unit of Human Rights Law Network (HRLN) before the Manipur high court on Saturday. "The petition has been listed for hearing on Monday," human rights lawyer and director of the unit Rakesh Meihoubam said.

    The petitioner has sought necessary action from the court against Lt Gen Suhag and the then commanding officer of the corps' intelligence and surveillance unit Colonel Govindan Shreekumar.

    Victims Phijam Naobi (45) of Thangmeiband, RK Ronel (35) of Sagolband and Th Prem aka Romen of Langol Laimanai, all from Imphal, were abducted on March 10, 2010, from Char Mile area of Dimapur. The incident unfolded after a major of the unit wrote a letter to the Army's Eastern Command.

    The petition states that on March 17, the bullet-riddled bodies of the three were found at Lakhijan area under Bokajan police station of Assam's Karbi Anglong district.

    Major T Ravi Kiran, second-in-command of the intelligence unit of the corps, reportedly wrote a letter on March 12, 2010, to the GOC-in-C eastern command and to the Army chief complaining that the three men were abducted and brought to their unit on March 10, 2010, and were later tortured and shot dead in the night behind the unit's mess.

    Media reports quoting the letter said Colonel Govindan was behind the killings and was assisted by one Major Rubeena Kaur Kher and Major Nector Baum of the same "rogue intelligence unit", the petition added.

    It was categorically mentioned in the police FIR that the abduction was carried out by military personnel.

    Dimapur police requested the 3rd Corps to cooperate in the investigation as fingers were being pointed at the intelligence unit of corps, which had indulged in similar acts on earlier occasions. However, the GOC 3rd corps, flatly refused to cooperate with the police investigation citing protection under the Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA) 1958.

    The petition said that the findings of the "illegal one man probe" conducted by the Brigadier General Staff of the corps remained inconclusive and was eyewash to protect the guilty.

    "The fact remains that three persons were abducted, tortured and killed and that the killings occurred on the premises of the concerned Intelligence Unit of the 3rd Corps, as is corroborated by the letter of Major T Ravi Kiran," the petition added.

    Other respondents of the case include the Union of India through its defence secretary, state of Manipur and Nagaland through their home secretaries and the army headquarters through COAS. Among other points, the petitioner prayed before the court to direct the Centre and the Army headquarters to detain Lt Gen Suhag and Colonel Govindan and immediately place them under arrest in order to prevent them from influencing the investigations, tampering with the evidence and intimidating the witnesses of the case.

    He also sought to direct the Army headquarters to produce the two officers before the criminal courts as per the mandate of Section 126 of the Army Act, 1950.

    Plea against Lt Gen Dalbir Singh in fake encounter case - The Times of India
     
  2.  
  3. EXPERT

    EXPERT Regular Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2012
    Messages:
    470
    Likes Received:
    288
    Location:
    From Heart to Brain
    SRINAGAR: India has decided to court-martial two Indian army officers along with four soldiers for staging an encounter in Indian-occupied Kashmir in which three labourers were killed, according to BBC Urdu.

    Colonel Rajesh Kalia, the Defence spokesperson for Indian Army’s northern command said the concerned ‘encounter’ occurred three years ago, and the decision to take action against the soldiers came after investigations over the incident had been completed.

    The incident happened in the last week of 2010 in a village called ‘Maazhil” in District Kupwara, Northern Kashmir. Local police had investigated the incident and filed cases against nine Indian soldiers plus two Kashmiris working for the Indian army.

    The army conducted its own investigation though, headed by Brigadier Sanga.

    Colonel Kalia said: “The people want rapid justice for the incident and our decision reflects their sentiments.’

    When news of the sham encounter first broke in 2010, Kashmiris led large-scale protests against the killings for a long time. To quell the protests, Indian paramilitary troops and police fired at the protesters and shot dead over 120 civilians, injuring hundreds and arresting a large number of young boys as well.

    A few months ago, the army conducted a two-week operation to hunt down suspected rebels in disputed Kashmir after a series of gunbattles in which at least eight alleged militants were killed.

    Not the first fake encounter

    BBC Urdu reported that in a separate incident in 2010, some time before the then US President Bill Clinton arrived in India for a visit, as many as 35 Sikh civilians were killed in an area in Northern Kashmir.

    Subsequently, the Indian army claimed to have been in an ‘encounter’ in which they had killed the alleged terrorists from Pakistan who perpetrated the above incident. To quell the demonstrations, Indian paramilitary troops and police fired at the people, killing over 120 civilians, injuring hundreds and arresting thousands of young boys.

    As official investigations disclosed later, though, the people killed by the Indian Army were innocent civilians, who were burned down alive inside their houses.

    Indian soldiers to be court-martialled for staging encounters in Kashmir – The Express Tribune
     
  4. Kaalapani

    Kaalapani Tihar Jail Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2014
    Messages:
    613
    Likes Received:
    280
    Location:
    india
    Vishwarupa likes this.
  5. CCP

    CCP Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2014
    Messages:
    1,204
    Likes Received:
    193
    Location:
    school
    It is good way to create real terrorists.
     
    W.G.Ewald likes this.
  6. Kaalapani

    Kaalapani Tihar Jail Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2014
    Messages:
    613
    Likes Received:
    280
    Location:
    india
    DID all those University students Killed during Tienanmen square became Terrorist?

    Those Muslim Terrorist should be eliminated without mercy.
     
    Mad Indian and TrueSpirit1 like this.
  7. Glint

    Glint Regular Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2014
    Messages:
    273
    Likes Received:
    184
    Location:
    California, USA
    Then what's the difference between the terrorists and Army?
     
  8. CCP

    CCP Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2014
    Messages:
    1,204
    Likes Received:
    193
    Location:
    school
    If Tienanmen square incident kind of stuff happens every day, people will become terrorists.

    Btw, let's focus on the topic.
     
  9. Kaalapani

    Kaalapani Tihar Jail Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2014
    Messages:
    613
    Likes Received:
    280
    Location:
    india
    Army's job is to protect borders and people.not terrorist.

    You want to arrest all those terrorist sneaking in to Kashmir?:namaste:

    The why even the most powerful army (USA) is using Drones to eliminate Terrorist?
     
  10. Glint

    Glint Regular Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2014
    Messages:
    273
    Likes Received:
    184
    Location:
    California, USA
    Would you read again what you wrote?

    I've nothing against army punishing terrorists or even killing them but this is just sick. Indian army, as far as i know is not known for this behavior.
     
  11. Kaalapani

    Kaalapani Tihar Jail Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2014
    Messages:
    613
    Likes Received:
    280
    Location:
    india
    Nothing wrong in that if they are real terrorist.Army will never eleminate innocent people.Intelligence is involved.
    Catch get info kill them.
     
    Mad Indian and Simple_Guy like this.
  12. Simple_Guy

    Simple_Guy Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2013
    Messages:
    938
    Likes Received:
    533
    Location:
    Delhi
    Indian armed forces are the best in counter-insurgency. They never use heavy weapons, no helicopter gunships, no tanks, no artillery, no mortars, no fighter jets. Always lightly armed infantry in one-on-one encounters against terrorists.

    Look at any other country in the world. They just bombard the crap out of people. Killing hundreds of thousands, and not caring if they are civilians or terrorists.
     
  13. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2009
    Messages:
    43,118
    Likes Received:
    23,545
    Location:
    Somewhere
    Yes, you should know it.

    ask Tibetans and Uighers.

    And the best part is that in China, the openness of the Indian media which does not hesitate reporting issue, is not there.

    And so calmly and blissfully ignorant of atrocities flows the Hwang Ho and Yangtse Kiang!

    Long Live Indian Democracy and Indian free media!
     
  14. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2009
    Messages:
    43,118
    Likes Received:
    23,545
    Location:
    Somewhere
    I would not say all in the Indian Army are cruel as is being portrayed.

    The best example is an officer could muster up courage and be a whistle-blower!
     
  15. laughingbuddha

    laughingbuddha Regular Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2014
    Messages:
    413
    Likes Received:
    136
    Location:
    Shangrila (really!)
    Some of you need to understand the difference between terrorism vrs insurgency.
     
  16. Blackwater

    Blackwater Veteran Member Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2012
    Messages:
    20,992
    Likes Received:
    11,823
    Location:
    Akhand Bharat

    You have to bend ur finger to get desi ghee out of pepaa


    And


    Latoo ke boot baton se nahi mante
     
    Last edited: Apr 28, 2014
  17. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2009
    Messages:
    43,118
    Likes Received:
    23,545
    Location:
    Somewhere
    A general comment.

    It is not material which is the environment - terrorism or insurgency.

    One cannot resort to extra judicial activities. And those who resort to it are also acted upon by the Army itself.

    There is very little on this incident in the open forum and so one does not know the exact realities. And so commenting this way or that way will merely be in the speculative zone.
     
    TrueSpirit1 likes this.
  18. pkroyal

    pkroyal Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2013
    Messages:
    545
    Likes Received:
    717
    Location:
    jaipur
    Cruelty is a relative term?

    How much violence ( physical) is cruel ?? Is their mental, verbal, written & gestural cruelty as well ??

    Coming to issue at hand.

    IA is a professional fighting force.

    Aberrations in the form mentioned exist in a organization of this size.

    Good part is, such things never remain hidden, get aired and are discussed, which is a deterrent .

    Quick punishment & wide publicity for the act committed can warn / caution many.
     
    Ray and TrueSpirit1 like this.
  19. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

    Joined:
    May 26, 2010
    Messages:
    27,593
    Likes Received:
    28,399
    Location:
    BHARAT, INDIA, HINDUSTHAN
    @EXPERT and others, Honestly speaking these incidents are being over hyped and always been, Out of 100% always 70% were always false claims, Many of these accusations are design by terrorist themselves ..

    We are fighting a War for very long time and Terrorist know our weaknesses so does we, Defeating Us from inside by ourselves that is ..

    ========================

    But as i said, There is always 30% and they are quite handle in Military courts way worst then in Civil, In Army getting punishment for any offense in front of your own comrades is way worst than in a outside court, Remember we dont have much connection to civil than Army inside, This is our World ..
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 10, 2015
  20. EXPERT

    EXPERT Regular Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2012
    Messages:
    470
    Likes Received:
    288
    Location:
    From Heart to Brain
    sir, don't you think somewhat AFSPA is preventing those guilty armymen, who are involved in the killings .

    And what will happen if AFSPA will be stopped .
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 10, 2015
  21. Neil

    Neil Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2010
    Messages:
    2,610
    Likes Received:
    1,946
    Location:
    India
    @EXPERT


    1. the unwanted killing were carried out by army personnel without any kind of institutional backing... the army never supports such activities and hence labeling all our boys as cruel is just not fair.

    2. u need to understand as what Kunal Biswas sir has said.. many of such cases [70%] our boys have wrongly been accused.. it is to protect against such mischief there are such provision in AFSPA

    3. Army needs it, wants it and has defended it.. i rather believe my army then those jhoolawalas in journalism or politicians.

    4. if their accusation is proven right .. the army makes all efforts to make an example out of the accused so that justice is provided to the victim.
     
    parijataka and TrueSpirit1 like this.

Share This Page