Why Do Tibetans Self-immolate?

[ice berg]

Really?

That is news!

Just say when, Ray, and I will provide the sources.

 

[huaxia rox]

you are really a bunch of shameless guys,aren't you!you invaded our country out of the blue in '62 and when we got ready to give your soldiers a befitting reply your PLA ran away with their tails between their legs but wait your soldiers are world famous in this matter(sino-vietnam war)!

we run with 3000 pows on hold??? your pows can fly??? can your father ran like that? there is only one winner in 1962 war and in indian textbooks dont know what is written there............

at least we dont get kicked out by bangaldeshs or sri lankas and after any war we can make sure there is no cross LOC to behead our soldiers be it wars with the US/SK or soviet union or vietnam or india...........or sometimes parlimant ambush......

 

[rock127]

And i can post how IJA treated indian POWs in ww2. Just say when kid, just say when.

Nanjing is just TOO much to be compared to POW in WW.

But I know its tooooooo much to be discussed...Nanjing just gives shiver and anger by its name to each Han Chinese.

 

[huaxia rox]

rather than an offical surrender to china by japanese???......you never know how to make the tiny uk surrender to you after killing raping and ruling my common wealth friend........

 

[ice berg]

Nanjing is just TOO much to be compared to POW in WW.

But I know its tooooooo much to be discussed...Nanjing just gives shiver and anger by its name to each Han Chinese.

YOu saying you are fine with how IJA treated Indian POWs in ww2? Guess that is the difference between chinese and indians. Chinese remembers, indians are just happy how IJA treated their fellow indians.

 

[rock127]

YOu saying you are fine with how IJA treated Indian POWs in ww2? Guess that is the difference between chinese and indians. Chinese remembers, indians are just happy how IJA treated their fellow indians.

As I said no mention of Nanjing in your post...... too scared to even mention or remember Nanjing for a Han Chinese.

So you are fine with it.... can we keep discussing Nanjing or you want to answer to Cannibal North Koreans or Islamic Terrorist killing Han Chinese?

 

[t_co]

As I said no mention of Nanjing in your post...... too scared to even mention or remember Nanjing for a Han Chinese.

So you are fine with it.... can we keep discussing Nanjing or you want to answer to Cannibal North Koreans or Islamic Terrorist killing Han Chinese?

China built a 12-hectare monument to the Nanjing Massacre, and no, China has not forgotten Nanjing, nor will it. After all, why is it that China is building up a navy and air force with just the right mix of operational capabilities to penetrate Japanese airspace and destroy all of their harbors and airbases?

On the other hand, Indians seem plenty happy to forget what the Mughals and British did to them--they still venerate the Taj Mahal, and countless statues of British colonizers still remain standing in Indian city squares...

 

[Ray]

Just say when, Ray, and I will provide the sources.

OK.

When.

 

[Ray]

China built a 12-hectare monument to the Nanjing Massacre, and no, China has not forgotten Nanjing, nor will it. After all, why is it that China is building up a navy and air force with just the right mix of operational capabilities to penetrate Japanese airspace and destroy all of their harbors and airbases?

On the other hand, Indians seem plenty happy to forget what the Mughals and British did to them--they still venerate the Taj Mahal, and countless statues of British colonizers still remain standing in Indian city squares...

Because Indians are aware that one cannot eradicated or wipe out history.

We cannot invent history as the Chinese do!

 

[Ray]

Of course. And we are the best at it--we've been doing this since the Han dynasty, two thousand years ago. Such an approach is unstoppable if correctly executed. All it takes, really, is money, subtlety, and sustained political will, and China has plenty of all three.

I congratulate you for the truth that you are bold enough to admit that your compatriots have so stoutly denied all along!

Indeed wipe out the roots of people and make them Han and reinvent history to falsify the reality and truth!

However, with globalisation and the economy soaring and Chinese visiting foreign lands in hordes, they are realising the importance and worth of history and roots.

That is why you are having the awareness and even conflicts in China between the Cantonese and the Mandarin people.

The Chinese being better educated than their ancestors and more aware of human rights are not very comfortable with the crackdowns in Tibet and Xinjiang.

That is why in Hong Kong, they have openly asked as to why Tibet cannot be given the autonomy as in Hong Kong.

With religion come back in a big way, the Chinese people will be more softer and humane in approach than the materialistic attitude honed by the harsh Communist regime.

That is why the CCP is scared of religion and instead is ensuring that they control it in such a way that it does not become a threat to the rule of the CCP!

 

[rock127]

China built a 12-hectare monument to the Nanjing Massacre, and no, China has not forgotten Nanjing, nor will it. After all, why is it that China is building up a navy and air force with just the right mix of operational capabilities to penetrate Japanese airspace and destroy all of their harbors and airbases?

On the other hand, Indians seem plenty happy to forget what the Mughals and British did to them--they still venerate the Taj Mahal, and countless statues of British colonizers still remain standing in Indian city squares...

You would not be able to challange Japan which is not in it's prime.Recently Japan dared you and you ran back with tail between your leg.Mighty China is still not a match with Japan so accept this fact.

About Taj... it's a marvel of Indian history and officially the #1 wonder in the world.Why would we destroy it? Because you dont have anything like that? Oh wait it was not made by using dead bodies of people like your "Great" Wall of China is made.Taj was not made by killing of hundred of thousands of people like Nanjing either. We dont follow Islamic extremist mentality which destroys anything from other culture.Neither we follow destroy/overpopulate/assimilate theory of Han Chinese to claim lands which never belong to them like Tibet.

Give examples of "city squares" where you see countless statues of British.I do not see these "countless statues of British" in Delhi at least which officially runs India.

Why are you hell bent on diverting the subject? Cant answer Islamic terrorist from Pakistan butchering Han Chinese?

 

[ice berg]

OK.

When.

Be careful what you asking for:

..How the Asian superpowers compare on various measures of development.

Go see the chart.
Comparing India and China: Chasing the dragon | The Economist


IN THE recent Singapore Grand Prix, a car belonging to the Force India team reached the finish line just 111 seconds after the leader. Today's chart uses a stopwatch to compare India's progress in development against another pace-setter, China. The chart shows the number of years that have elapsed since China passed the development milestones that India has now reached. India's income per head, for example, was about $3,200 in 2009 (holding purchasing power constant across time and between countries). China reached that level of development nine years ago. The lag in social progress is much longer. A child's odds of surviving past their fifth birthday are as bad in India today as they were in China in the 1970s. Moreover, the chart does not necessarily imply that India in nine years' time will be as rich as China is today. That is because China grew faster in the last nine years than India is likely to grow over the next nine. We stopped the clock at $3200 per head. But China did not stop racing ahead.

 

[ice berg]

About Taj... it's a marvel of Indian history and officially the #1 wonder in the world.Why would we destroy it? Because you dont have anything like that? Oh wait it was not made by using dead bodies of people like your "Great" Wall of China is made.Taj was not made by killing of hundred of thousands of people like Nanjing either. We dont follow Islamic extremist mentality which destroys anything from other culture.Neither we follow destroy/overpopulate/assimilate theory of Han Chinese to claim lands which never belong to them like Tibet.

Give examples of "city squares" where you see countless statues of British.I do not see these "countless statues of British" in Delhi at least which officially runs India.

Why are you hell bent on diverting the subject? Cant answer Islamic terrorist from Pakistan butchering Han Chinese?

ROFL. There are more people visiting China than India. So much for your self made title of #1 wonder of the world.

 

[rock127]

ROFL. There are more people visiting China than India. So much for your self made title of #1 wonder of the world.

The HIGH IQ of China is a bogus since it's self-made.

New7Wonders of the World - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Whats there to see in Great Walll of China??? bodies used as cement??? A never ending walk for thousands of kms???

 

[rock127]

Now come back to "Tibetians self burning"

Or you are happy discussing Nanjing ROTF

 

[Ray]

Be careful what you asking for:

..How the Asian superpowers compare on various measures of development.

Go see the chart.
Comparing India and China: Chasing the dragon | The Economist


IN THE recent Singapore Grand Prix, a car belonging to the Force India team reached the finish line just 111 seconds after the leader. Today's chart uses a stopwatch to compare India's progress in development against another pace-setter, China. The chart shows the number of years that have elapsed since China passed the development milestones that India has now reached. India's income per head, for example, was about $3,200 in 2009 (holding purchasing power constant across time and between countries). China reached that level of development nine years ago. The lag in social progress is much longer. A child's odds of surviving past their fifth birthday are as bad in India today as they were in China in the 1970s. Moreover, the chart does not necessarily imply that India in nine years' time will be as rich as China is today. That is because China grew faster in the last nine years than India is likely to grow over the next nine. We stopped the clock at $3200 per head. But China did not stop racing ahead.

Development and stealing technology is not Indian way of progress.

Vague statements also does not work even if very impressive and with feigned authoritativeness.

Remember how it was said that India was way behind sub Saharan Africa?

It was proved wrong and it is on this forum too that the inputs for the statistics were flawed and manipulated!

But then fudged statistics is the Chinese staple for euphoria.

Remember the statistics for iron production in China during the Cultural Revolution and how it was to turn China into a roaring giant?

 

[Ray]

Now come back to "Tibetians self burning"

Or you are happy discussing Nanjing ROTF

Indeedn it is so high that the defecate in airport lounges and subways!

 

[rock127]

Indeedn it is so high that the defecate in airport lounges and subways!

LOL... please dont crack me up from that airport post... SPLIT PANTS... Chinese invention...

 

[rock127]

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indo-pacific-east-asia/47098-japans-pm-shinzo-change-post-war-constitution.html#post668774

 

[Ray]

LOL... please dont crack me up from that airport post... SPLIT PANTS... Chinese invention...

No, it is not just the airport.

It is common place in China for ages, so to say.

They are very innovative people. And enterprising too!

Of course, the former (Defecating in lounges and subways and who knows where else!) in the modern world it is frowned upon, but imagine the money saved on diapers.

And MONEY is like the Zam Zam to them!

They sleep, live, breathe the accumulation of wealth.

Great shysters too. Try visiting a Chinese shop and you will find how the hassle you and even shame you into buying!

Great chaps.

I saw in Malaysia, Meredez parked outside palatial buildings of theirs and inside it was barren. Maybe it was minimalistic in style. But too minimal if you ask me.

They are real innovative and a fascinating race.

Check this out:

Chinese farmer keeps son alive with £20 homemade ventilator

A family of impoverished Chinese farmers have been swamped with donations after it emerged they had kept their paralysed son alive for five years using a homemade ventilator that cost £20 to build.

[We] never think of giving up, not for one second," Fu Minzu, the patient's father, told the China Daily newspaper. "No parents would give up on their child as long as there is a slight chance of living."

To avoid running up a large electricity bills, the couple operated the machine manually during daylight hours, reportedly pumping it thousands of times each day.

"We have no money, no power, only time and patience," said Mr Fu.

The family's plight has sparked online debate over the fragilities of China's health care system.
Chinese farmer keeps son alive with £20 homemade ventilator - Telegraph

Notwithstanding all the glitz and glitter, the Chinese health care system is the pits.

But the Chinese never say die.

For the outside world they will say Allz well,but then they keep themselves fighting trim on their own inspite of a lacklustre govt.too busy with statistics and GDP!

And they also keep a sharp watch over their money as in this case. Catch a Chinese wasting money or try getting money off him!

And they make money out of every chance even if means capitalising on the peoples' misfortunes.

Check these out.

Man sells canned fresh air in China. Welcome to yuppie capitalism, comrades

This is a story that shows how deliriously capitalist China has become (for good and bad). Rapid industrialisation has covered northern China in a dense pea soup of toxic chemicals. In the past, the old fashioned communist solution might have been either to ignore the problem or, if people insist on dying, organise the entire country in a "popular war on bourgeois toxins." But in a post-Mao order, how does China's elite deal with pollution? Yuppie consumerism.

Chen Guangbiao, an entrepreneur worth $740 million (how, why, and would he like to meet my daughters?) has started selling cans of fresh air for people to crack open and suck in. They go for 5 yuan each and, according to one report, they come with atmospheric flavours including "pristine Tibet, post-industrial Taiwan and revolutionary Yan'an." Presumably the "pristine Tibet" can smells ever so slightly of gunpowder.

The story tells us two things. First, the price of China's rapid development is that it now has to cope with the same problems that beset the already developed world. It's good, because it means people are getting richer. But it's bad because it means the country is experiencing what London went through in the 1950s as the industrial landscape coughs up its blackened lungs. According to the BBC, Beijing has reported air quality readings that show pollutants present at 20 times the recommended limits; visibility has been reduced and residents have been advised to stay indoors. Prosperity creates its own kinds of poverty.

But the story also suggests that the response of China's new middle class is to ape the indulgent lifestyle consumerism of their Western counterparts. The cans of air are partly being sold as a way of promoting environmentalism, although no one has pointed out that the manufacture and disposal of all the cans used in the process will, itself, contribute towards China's pollution. But Chen also seems deadly serious about the profitability of selling cans of basically nothing to his countrymen. In an interview last year, he explained the process for canning the air thus:

Chen said the air is put into pull-tag cans he invented, with a chip in each can. The air is not compressed – he said his staff need only swing their hands three times to push the air into the can. When there is enough air, the chip will make the cap close automatically.

So, in short, some bloke stands on a mountain, waves a can about, takes it to market and sells it for money. And aside from fooling the buyer in to thinking that they're helping to keep China clean, what are the benefits? According to Chen, "Open the can and three deep breaths will allow you to have a good mood and a clear mind." In the West, such vague nonsense would probably get you hauled before the advertising standards people. But China is still in the early, naive stages of consumerism. We've all been there. It won't be long before we see Clive Sinclair's C5 buzzing through Beijing's busy streets, and dreamcatchers hanging in Tiananmen Square.
Man sells canned fresh air in China. Welcome to yuppie capitalism, comrades – Telegraph Blogs

Or

Fishing for Dead Bodies – a Morbid Yet Profitable Business

Fishing dead bodies is a well known practice in China since ancient times, when some fishermen dedicated their time to recovering bodies from the waters and then returning them to their families. Back then, this "job" was appreciated and respected, and the fisherman himself wasn't rewarded with money but an immense gratitude.

With the evolution of the country, both economical and demographic, fishing for dead bodies soon became a thriving business for most of the fishermen on Yellow River, with younger and younger boys taking up the task, every day.

The most "offering" place, as they themselves assert, is at about 18 miles down stream from Lanzhou, the provincial capital of Gansu, northwestern China, a place where a hydroelectric dam and a bend in the river cause the bodies to surface.

One of the many fishermen on the Yellow River who took over this macabre task is 55-year-old Wei Xinpeng. Although until 2003 he had a radically different occupation, running a pear orchard, he realized that fishing for bodies can be far more profitable. His "business" has been gradually growing, Mr. Xipeng is now recovering 80 to 100 bodies a year, both male and female, young or old, victims of drowning, suicide or murder.The man recovers them from the water and takes them to a fisherman's cove were they are left floating with their faces down to preserve their features.

And because it's said to be a profitable business, here is the explanation: Mr. Xipeng charges different amounts depending on his clients' apparent income. For example, he asks around $75 from a farmer, $300 from an employee and reaching up to $450 if a firm is the one paying. There have also been cases of bodies that were been released back into the river because families either didn't claim them or just didn't want to take them. Mr. Xipeng says "Most of the bodies that are not claimed by relatives are female migrant workers who had moved to Lanzhou . Most of them have been murdered"

Wei Xipeng believes that China's economic boom is mostly to "blame" for the increasing number of deaths and he might just be right as the number of people committing suicide has been growing, mostly in women from China's rural areas, and according to the World Health Organization 26% of world's suicide cases take place in China.

What is very little known in the West is that Chinese director Zhou You recently released a 52 minutes documentary called "The Other Shore" on this particular subject, illustrating how an ancient, once private service was made into a profitable one. In an interview for Global Times, director Zhou said "Salvaging bodies out the river used to be a voluntary act of boatmen in olden times. They returned the bodies as a favor. That time is over, and younger people have developed it into a business."

Mr. Xipeng isn't the only fisherman on China's Yellow River doing this, but he might just be the only one with another reason besides money, as he claims:

"My own child died in this river and I could not find the body. It was very painful. That's why I started doing this job."

It seems that at least for now Wei Xipeng had to give up on his fishing for bodies as he admits in an interview for CNN "I can't go out on the water anymore. The police have already fined me several times. They don't like what we're doing. As for the money I used to make, I just don't make it anymore."

Although warnings have been released into the media for all the fishermen, others continue doing their job, assuming the risks that come with it.

Fishing for Dead Bodies in China | Oddity Central - Collecting Oddities

Very enterprising people.