Why do so many Moslems choose to live in India and not Pakistan?

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  1. Redhawk

    Redhawk Regular Member

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    According to Google, the Moslem population of India is currently at 176 million. In 2010, according to the British newspaper, The Guardian, the Moslem population of Pakistan was 178,097,000, or 96.4 per cent of the population. So there is something approaching parity in the Moslem populations of both India and Pakistan.

    My question is that with the foundation in 1947 of Pakistan, an independent Moslem state on the Indian subcontinent and a proclaimed haven for the subcontinent's Moslems, why have slightly less than half of the subcontinent's Moslems chosen to live in India and not Pakistan? Lack of the means to move or travel may explain part of this question, but is far from a complete answer for a population 176 million people. Just why is it that so many Moslems of the Indian subcontinent have chosen and still choose to live and reside in India and not Pakistan?

    Now 67 years after Partition and Independence, the differences between the two states are clear, even glaring. But this was not always so. Not long after Partition and Independence, through the 1950s and 60s, the differences were not so great. So why wasn't there a greater movement of Moslems from India to Pakistan during this period? My questions cover the full 67-year period from Partition and Independence to the present.
     
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    jackprince Turning into a frog Senior Member

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    Simple. They are safe here - protected by the society, the Govt. and the constitution. They have their properties and livelihood their. Indian economy is good comparatively. Also, there are more and more preferential treatment they are getting because of their minority status. What else do anybody want from the country they are living in?

    On the other hand, Pakistan is a place fast becoming something only a moron or homicidal psychopath would want live.
     
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  4. Redhawk

    Redhawk Regular Member

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    That's now. But I'm also thinking of the time just after Partition and Independence. Why wasn't there a greater movement of Moslems from India to Pakistan through the 1950s and 60s, when there wasn't so much difference between the two?
     
  5. LordOfTheUnderworlds

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    Because it is home?
     
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    The notion surrounding "two-nation" theory , was only popular in upper echelon of society. Because, it would create a system where feudal lords , can regain their supremacy with help of "religious cause".

    For normal people, it was not a matter of great concern, as :

    1. With modern administrative setup provided by Britishers , the treatment to two sects were not in preferential mode ( later , this was distorted).

    2. So , a normal person , having accustomed to his/her environment , is always reluctant to change ( Negative feedback theory). And with populous not knowing the implication of "religion based nation formation" , which likes of Jinnah propagated , they never expected a preferential treatment as such.
     
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    It simply reflects the Moslem mindset &their teachings

    Pork!stan+BD have Hindu population of 22% nearly at time of 1947,no body wants to leave ancestral place by religion difference.Anyway once the Indian Moslems got land they simply raped,killed&converted like exactly their fore fathers did to these Moslems,where Moslem Police,Administration&Army supported overwhelmingly with rioters in this massacre till to date. Indians on the other hand doesn't know what these Moslems doing in Pork!stan 'coz we ruled by socialist&sickular govt (Congress), where only one channel DD and very few print media houses (restricted them from printing facts on basis of National integrity or prevent riots)

    Moslems behaves the same way any where once they got power/majority... alkaida/taliban/ISIS/Pork! moslems are real Moslems. :sad:
     
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    pkroyal Regular Member

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    The psyche is " Mera to mera ( what is mine is mine)

    tera bhi mera " (your's is also mine)

    Pakistan is our muslim ummah country , if we can spread ourselves in India why not ??
     
  9. LordOfTheUnderworlds

    LordOfTheUnderworlds Regular Member

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    First of all your question mix ups two different topics mostly unrelated to each other
    • Why Indian Muslims stay in India? That is a ridiculous question. Why do you stay in your home? How is someone supposed to answer something that obvious?
    • Then there is the issue of creation of Pakistan. Which had hardly anything to do with common people of India (subcontinent)

    You are mixing up these things because your whole understanding is based on some wrong basic concepts, misinformation and misunderstanding.

    • That Pakistan was created as a normal nation state like rest of countries in the world.
      No it is not. It is an artificial entity created out of thin air by few people on their table, because they had power to do that.
      Present Pakistan is not even the same country that was supposed to be Pakistan.

    • That there was some kind of popular movement for Pakistan. That there was some concept called Pakistani nationalism.

      No such thing existed. Pakistan is a result of what we call 'Durbari' Politics, not some popular grass root movement.

    • That Pakistan was created as a homeland for the Muslims of subcontinent.


      This is a big (but popular) lie. It is just something that is said for the sake of formality like the things diplomats say though it means nothing. Though it was supposed to be a new 'homeland' for some people, it is a very small group of people who are very distinct from the majority of Indian Muslims. Pakistan came into being because their interests matched with interests of colonial/western imperial powers. Again I would repeat, this has no relation to any interests or demands of majority Indian Muslims or their need for homeland.

    I am not saying that there was no Hindu Muslim problem or that riots don't happen even today, but it is again a different topic NOT related to Pakistan.
     
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  10. Redhawk

    Redhawk Regular Member

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    Are my questions so ridiculously obvious? Historically, I don't think they are. But anyway, you are entitled to your opinion.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    The Muslims who stayed back in India were either too poor to travel or did not have the money or resolve to start a new life from scratch being poor artisan and labour or they were the rich landlords owing estates or fiefdoms and so left a part of the family to look after their estates/ fief.

    They proliferated and added to the statistics. Both the rich and poor since contraception/ abortion was anti religion. For the poor, be they of any religion, sex was the only entertainment.

    Further, India was very Gandhian in outlook and they were aware that there would be tolerance.

    In Pakistan, the Indian Muslims who went were called Mohajirs and they are still discriminated.

    The Paki and Bangladeshi Muslims come to India and disappear and get Indian voters ID and all that because life is better here than where they come from.
     
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    Don't mean anything personal. Most people think like that because people start on basic presumption that Pakistan is a normal nation state like others and history books blandly say Pakistan was created as a homeland for Indian Muslims.
     
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    Redhawk Regular Member

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    That, Ray, is the most succinct, comprehensive, and sensible answer in this thread. Cheers.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Thanks.

    Another issue is that Indian politicians are more concerned about a 'captive note bank' and they encourage and turn a Nelson's Eye to all the illegals coming and vanishing and allegedly giving assistance to become 'Indian'.
     

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