Why did Rana Sanga and Krishnadevaraya show mercy to Muslim kings?

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  1. Maharaj

    Maharaj Regular Member

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    In the early 16th century Rana Sanga of the Mewar Dynasty and Krishnadevaraya of the Vijayanagar Empire
    became the most powerful rulers of whole India before the arrival of Babur. Before the arrival of Babur
    Rana Sanga defeated the Sultans of Malwa, Gujarat and even the Sultan of Delhi Lodhi but instead of
    annexing these kingdoms he restored them their kingdoms.
    Krishnadevaraya defeated the Sultans of Bijapur, Golconda and Bahmani but after his victories he
    restored the Muslim kingdoms.
    Why did Rana Sanga and Krishnadevaraya not try to expand their territories like the ancient Guptas
    and Mauryas or the medieval Mughals and Marathas.
     
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  3. sydsnyper

    sydsnyper Senior Member Senior Member

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    Because of a code of conduct prevalent in those day - Forgive your enemy if they ask for it. It was only later when the barbaric mughals invaded that we realized our folly...
     
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    Perhaps they were status-quo rulers who didn't have the ambition or capability to expand their kingdoms. Their motto might have been to live and let live, just like today's Republic of India, in which we claim PoK and Aksai Chin but have never made any effort to retake these territories which are under foreign occupation, let alone expansion beyond our national borders.
     
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    A chauhan "अहिंसा परमो धर्मः धर्म हिंसा तथैव च: l" Senior Member

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    Because they didn't have idea of the concept of Dar-ul-Islam and its nefarious designs.
     
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    Hamare Sanskaar :)
     
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    warriorextreme Senior Member Senior Member

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    Rules of battle used by kings back then were very different...e.g. no battle after sunset...all of it changed after barbaric muslims invaded our motherland and raped it continuously...only then did we change our rules.
     
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    I am pretty sure there is an Alok Nath Joke somewhere in there :rofl:
     
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    Rules of engagement vary from region to region and country to country even during different eras.

    In India war was never a means to an end.

    Large hearted ness, humility in victory and sticking to one's word of honour were more valued than just a rough head count of the enemy killed.

    Imagine during Ramayana the most famous ethic was:-

    " Raghukul reet sada chali aaye

    Pran jayee par vachan na jayee "
    ( the tradition in Raghukul dynasty to which Lord Rama belonged was better to die than renege on your promise)

    Such lofty ideas / thinking highlights the ethos of the warriors of that time. Fighting & dying in battle was considered the high point in a warrior's life.

    A place in heaven was considered reserved for the martyr ( Valhalla)

    Indians devised elaborate rules of engagement & warfare based on values & ethics

    Outside players ( foreigners) never took the pains to understand the rules of the game( warfare) and had little patience with loftiness of thought, they came for quick gains, used treachery, deceit as tools & achieved short term victories.

    In the History of a Nation even 300-400 years is short.

    To quote Iqbal :-

    " Yunan, mishr,ruman mein ( the Greek, Egyptian & Roman)
    sab mit gaye jahan se ( all of these civilizations have perished)
    aab tak magar hai baki ( till date what is left)
    namon nishan hamara" ( is our civilization & its grandeur)


    Ethics, values, transcending the mundane makes a Nation special !!
     
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    Bingo! Bang on target :target:
     
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    Sanga had all the ambitions to expand his Kingdom. He won't be pushing into Lodi's lands till Peelakhal otherwise.
    Its just that he wanted to do it like he knew men of honor should do .. by the blade of his sword.
    His ideal was that the king was the chief executive officer of the people.
    That he was to subordinate personal comfort, ambition and activity to their general welfare, to look upon administration as a duty rather than a right.
    And to resign the position as soon as the qualification necessary for rendering service was lost.
    When in the Khatoli battle with Ibrahim Lodi, Sanga had lost his left arm, he refused to sit on the throne.
    To everyone's astonishment, he bowed at the court & sat on the floor like other nobles. When requested to explain, said citing ancient practices of the country, that he was no longer the epitome of perfection who should be seated as the King.
    Courtiers knew that it wasn't possible to find a man parallel to Sanga in leading Mewar at that time. After a lot of persuasion and appeals, they themselves made him sit back on throne.
    Though Lodi prince was released and one can criticize it in the hindsight now, but this happened only after Lodis paid a huge ransom to Mewar for the release.

    Regards,
    Virendra
     
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    Rana and Krishnadevarya are not the only one who showed mercy to Muslim Kings who came to fight with them in the history. In the twentIeth century Indira Gandhi made the same mistake in 1971/72 Bangladesh War. She should not have released 120,000 civil mad military personnel of Pakistan without a guaranteed Kashmir settlement. It is then that LOC should have been made into border between two countries. And a UN resolution passed to rescind all previous Kashmir resolution and making LOC as the permanent border.

    It did not happen then. We still have a problem to settle. It will take another war to settle that.
     
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    I think there is a different reason. In Malwa sultanate, the Rajput chiefs had become so powerful that they were dominating and they could have easily dethroned the sultan.

    But they said, ""The saltanat of Malwa is in reality in our possession. If, however, Mahmud Shah does not remain as a buffer, Sultan Muzaffar of Gujarat will come galloping along and will seize the kingdom." SO they kept Mahmud Shah as nominal ruler of Malwa, while bringing the actual territory under their control. That is the reason why that part of Madhya Pradesh is Hindu dominated.

    This same reason worked with Sanga and Raya. Keep the enemies divided. If they dethroned or destroyed one state, the others would combine against them. This lesson was not learned by Rama Raya, and Vijayanagar paid that price.
     
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    I think Kumbha was more ruthless with the enemies, compared to Sanga's chivalry. Though Kumbha also pardoned Nagor Sultanate's Shah.
    But once he realized that the dog's tail can't be kept staight, he destroyed the Shah's fort as well as the mosques there, after people brought to his attention that cows were being slaughtered and sprayed into the region's temples.

    Even PrithviRaj Chauhan was cunning enough to employ a night attack against his enemies. But all these are patchy displays.
    It still baffles me, how he and his men could trust Ghori and keep their guard so low in Tarain-II; almost like a genetically encoded deficiency in our DNA.

    Regards,
    Virendra
     
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    Krishna Devaraya was the most powerful ruler of whole South Asia in the 16th century
    and he could have easily expanded his empire towards the Narmada river.
    I dont understand why he did not even attempt to do it. He was the only ruler
    in South Asia who was able to defeat Babur.
     
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    saty Tihar Jail Banned

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    Forget about it,actually how India survived a Hindu Nation(still 80%) is beyond my comprehension.Just check Malaysia/Indonesia they are Hindu Kingdoms till 16 th century.These treachery Muslim traders married native population (2nd/3rd wives like our Kerala) breeded and slowly they reach 10% population Bingo what ever means grab throne ra**/convert natives before they know and demolish every TEMPLE/culture/statues.

    Ask any Bihari/UP/hyd Muslims Labourers they always boasts we RULED you.:rofl:Islam is all about grabbing power once they grab throne then kill/ra** and conversion follows

    Hate caste system..... but Hindu caste put 4-6% KSHATRIYA'S as custodians of RAJ,they never ever accept outsiders or even other Kshatriya as their RULERS.They fought tooth and nail to safeguard their kingdom. If they lost they retreat regain strength and fought back that is why no ISLAMIC/XIAN Kingdom feel safe in India. Only HINDU KINGDOMS are in some what PEACE or CIVIL WAR.

    So we are the only COUNTRY/CULTURE SURVIVED for a long period (5000yrs) even though we are very near to Islamic barbarians by land.
     
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    rock127 Maulana Rockullah Senior Member

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    Moguls broke all rules of war with their rapes/riots/killings 24/7/365.

    If you remember Sikhs used to attack large Mogul armies in night(the reason "12 Baje" saying came)...it turned out to be a great strategy which slowly dented the massive Mogul Empire.

    Bhad me gai those Sanskaar :gtfo: .... either fight or perish and that's the rule of Nature to survive. :truestory:

    The "peace lover" habit of Hindus got exploited by Muslims always and Muslims even termed it as Cowardness.
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    Ah, so that is the source of this remark.

    Even we have a saying like this. When we say to someone "I'll make your 12 o'clock," we mean we are going to cause him massive harm.
     
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    rock127 Maulana Rockullah Senior Member

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    Usually people use "12 o clock" for Sikhs very lightly/mocking but it was a serious stuff.

    Moguls used to loot money and kidnap Hindu women and bring it to their camps but Sikhs used to attack in night and caused big mayhem and heavy causalities on Moguls and free women.

    Moguls also used to keep saying "12 baj gaye, hoshiyar ho jao" since they used to expect attacks in night.

    I think a LOT of people still don't know about this 12 Baje jibe.
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    We have a saying in Bengali "Tor barota bajiye debo," or "Tera bara baja dunga." It means "I will cause massive harm to you." We always use it, but I never knew the origin.
     
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    Moghul Kings shouldn't have been allowed to stamp their presence in Hindustan. We are now enjoying the ROI of not doing that.
     

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