Why China has so few friends?

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  1. kickok1975

    kickok1975 Stars and Ambassadors Stars and Ambassadors

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    China’s economy is growing. China becomes biggest trading partner for many countries. China loans and invests billions of dollars overseas. We buy everybody’s debt and we build many roads, buildings, and sea port for others, yet our friend list kept shrinking every year. What’s wrong with us?
    North Korea is our friend, maybe not. Once China stops feeding them, they could turn bite us.
    Iran is our friend, maybe. They trust Russia more, they can’t count on us
    Russia is our friend, half and half. They think we are friend when they need it
    Cuba is our friend, but they are too far away not helpful
    Pakistan is also our friend, but since we are friend with them, India won’t be friend with us
    Vietnam used to be our friend. But they treat us as their No.1 enemy now
    What about Libya, Iraq, Egypt, Syria? Ooops, regimes changed or could be changed soon
    Do we used to have many friends? Yes. Do we want more friends?...... If so, how?
     
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  3. Eiffe

    Eiffe Regular Member

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    china is communist in nature.whereas most countries are democratic. china friends will always remain small and weak states who need someone to support them. the best example is pakistan
     
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    Having so many enemies give a weapon in hands of CCP to keep masses frightened and give them a fake hope that Only a strong regime like CCP can protect their intrests . Its politics of fear.
     
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    thecurryguy Tihar Jail Banned

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    Better than jumping on to the western bandwagon and acting like a puppet. No more colonization of a country's thought bro. Respect the freedom of the world, every member has the right to think in their own way.
     
  6. kickok1975

    kickok1975 Stars and Ambassadors Stars and Ambassadors

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    I was long suspicious about this conspiracy. But now I’m a more believer of it because I couldn’t understand why our foreign policy all of sudden become so aggressive and awkward in recent years while China essentially gained nothing except never ending protests and warnings. We are acting like a roaring dragon without teeth.
     
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    Care to explain what kind of freedom you are talking about . Is it freedom of expression , freedom of trade or freedom to bully or freedom to live peacefully ?
     
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    trackwhack Tihar Jail Banned

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    A little has to do with plain jealousy due to China's achievements in the last 30 years. However, genuine mistrust is a combination of
    1) Suppression of Tibet and East Turkmenistan - No need to explain. China just walked into these places and said ok we own you now.
    2) Disregard for neighbors when core interests are concerned. take the recent incident with Philippines - A spot 50 miles from the Philipino coast and 500 miles from the nearest Chinese coast is apparently Chinese territory.
    3) Aligning with the dirtiest regimes in the world - North Korea and Paksitan are not exactly saintly nations, even without considering US opinion.

    Oh well, there could be more. But the larger point is that all of these are easy to set right.
    1) Autonomy in the first case. Not Sovereignty, just autonomy. Thats all they have been asking for.
    2) A little sensitivity and co-operation can go a long way. You dont own the sea just because some Chinese went to fish there a few decades ago.
    3) Just stop dancing with these murderers. How difficult is that?
     
  9. Yusuf

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    Policy is wrong. I started a tread yesterday about economic relations between the cold war super powers. If china is ready to bite the hand that feeds it, none of the oter countries can trust.

    China has grown too big too fast for its own good and the heads of the leaders have grown even bigger
     
  10. A.V.

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    Let me say this way :-

    " We are not born to make friends , we are born with an aim to achieve results on our own " :- that's a philosopy and there is nothing wrong with that.

    As long as we are self sufficient and have the ability of self succeed we dont need oppurtunistic friends
     
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    Certainly I was talking about the freedom to live peacefully, remember we did not start a war with India.
     
  12. Galaxy

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    World is divided between 2 powers U.S. and Russia. (50% with U.S. and 25% with Russia and 25% are neutral). There are few countries who are neutral like India but they are few.

    For example: Syria, Iran are Russian friend whereas Turkey, KSA, Bahrain, Israel are with U.S., China east neighbours are U.S. allies but countries like Vietnam, CAR are Russian allies.

    Now, Since China is 2nd largest economy and it's expected that it will retain it's 2nd position for long time, people have started seeing in different angel. Unfortunately, China defence capability/exports are still behind France, Germany forget about Russia which is at 2nd ranked.

    In polarised world only 25% countries are left who has to take 1 side. Normally any country which challenges U.S. is bound to face consequence. Russia faced but still dominates 25% world due to defence capability and huge geography. Since, China is against U.S. Hence 50% of the world can't make good relation with China. Also, there are many neighbouring countries of China from Japan to India also have certain reservation against China. What left ?? Middle-East, Europe, Latin America, Africa and Australia. 75% of them are U.S. allies and rest with Russian or neutral. If they become friend of China then it would be Anti-American.

    There are 2 solution : 1> Make good relation with all neighbours (Policy should be based on adjustment and not expansionism) 2> Improve defence capability. [ Check MIG Fighter jets - It is operated by 40-50 countries but no one operates J series fighter jets except few countries like Pakistan - It's inferior and copied one. Why anyone will Buy J-11 when Russia is providing original Su-27 ? ]
     
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    its not your fault, you have been made to beleive this. After what Japan did to china, the insecurity turned into aggresiveness when china started getting power.then not only they attacked india but also vietnam. china also tried to start a war again in
    1986 but this time India was ready. This aggresiveness in china has only japan to blame for it.
     
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    Works both ways. Only the Republicans can protect us in America from China.:rolleyes:
     
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    What country has many friends, and why? Are some countries popular because of their exports, such as Japan or Germany and their cars?
     
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    I know china didnt fire a single bullet in 1962 . :D what about letting others live peacefully ? why all neighbors are afraid of chinese. smoke comes out only from fire .
     
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    Norway might have the most friends.i also think India also has a good number of friends.:thumb:
     
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    You are pursuing a fantacy, you just dont know it, maybe you will never get it.
     
  19. kickok1975

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    Well, arrogance behaviors from some Chinese people are probably extra reason to cause uncomfortable feelings to many other countries.
    The world is a competing place, no doubt. But we still need to coexist with each other and learn how to compromise. Even a small country could become desperate fighter if were pushed to corner. Current Chinese society is like a jungle where the strongest and most powerful live, prosperous whereas poor and disadvantage one suffer and perish. There is no rule except whose fist is bigger and who holds more power. Conscientious and sympathy has no place to live.
    Such mentality is unfortunately reflect in our national policy which caused our inconvenience reality today
     
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    friends?

    how do you define “friends”?

    Does India have any friends?Does India consider the US, for example, a friend?

    If so, then China and the US enjoy a much closer relationship than India does the US, economically, politically and strategically.

    Ditto China's relationship with the EU, Japan, the two Koreas, Brazil, South Afirca。。。etc:rofl::rofl:
     
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    Sometimes I wonder if you are Chinese for real as you seldom see anyone from China being so forthcoming. Wont the CCP machine get you for dissent or something man?
     
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