Where is India in the encounter of civilizations ?

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  1. panduranghari

    panduranghari Senior Member Senior Member

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    Scalie,

    Read this essay.

    Where is India in the encounter of civilization? - Hegde lecture

    Its long but its good.
     
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    From that article
    Yogi turning into Gladiator = RSS. (not being judgmental)
     
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    Not much info on Google though.
     
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    Yes. It's quite a reputed Univ btw
     
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    Rajiv is a very good thinker of our times and of that I have no doubt.

    With regards to the choices between A or B or C; I would hope for C every time. But I am realistic and I expect it to be A. Everything points towards that.

    John Kenneth Galbraith said and I quote,'In all life one should comfort the afflicted, but verily, also, one should afflict the comfortable, and especially when they are comfortably, contentedly, even happily wrong.'

    The economic crisis which will bankrupt the west and also the east will IMHO be the catalyst for the change. The scenario I expect subsequent to the severe economic turmoil will lead to either A or C.

    A and C are on the opposite ends to spectrum in terms of what we would expect the future of the Indian sub continent to be.
     
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    Interesting, India becoming somewhat like the UK and breaking up. Never knew it was so likely.

    You believe the economic crisis would be the final straw in independence for various parts of India? Is this a 'north/south' thing?

    I would have thought India, China and most of the east would weather this particular storm far better than Europe.
     
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    Tell me why should East fair any better? One thing will help and that is the love of gold. Everyone owns it. In the west hardly anyone owns any.

    The current system dies and the meritocracy arising out of it will not keep socialist economies afloat. Britain like India is a socialist paradise. We will see a lot more localised growth. The growth based paradigm if global economy is ending.

    I showed on another post how India is on the verge of bankruptcy. Alas even the intellectuals on here did not bother questioning it. It shows how ostrich mentality is prevalent. GK Galbraith was so correct when he stated what is quoted above.
     
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    Where is India in the Clash of Civilizations?

     
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    Re: Where is India in the Clash of Civilizations?

    Some views on Indian civilization by the Western academia and Macauleyputras:

    --Anti progress: Primitive, frozen, poverty-causing
    --"Patient": caste, sati, dowry, feticide, untouchability, incest...
    --Unscientific: Indian=mystical, Western=rational
    --Everything good about India was Imported:
    1. So-called "Aryans" brought Sanskrit
    2. Greeks brought philosophy and rational thought
    3. Hinduism was a colonial construction
    4. Indian culture was started by the Mughals
    5. British gave Indians a nation (cricket!)
    6. We must now import our human rights from America


    End Result:

    Doomed to dependence and mimicry: To progress Indians must stop being Indian.
     
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    Re: Where is India in the Clash of Civilizations?

    Here is an example of a project supported by the West (governments, churches, NGO's, academia), from the video:

    The Afro-Dalit Project

    Thesis
    1. Dalits are the 'blacks of India', non-Dalits are the 'whites of India'.
    2. History of American slavery is the framework to understand Dalits' current social problems.

    Institutional Support

    1. Western Churches
    2. "South Asian" Studies
    3. Human rights groups

    Activities: Build an Indian franchise network to promote this
    1. India based seminars and training for Dalit activists
    2. Dalitstan Project (following map is from the now defunct website)

    [​IMG]
     
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    Re: Where is India in the Clash of Civilizations?

    Hypothetical Scenario for US intervention in India

    1. South Asia becomes the epicenter of the US vs pan-Islam
    --Taliban takes over nuclearized Pakistan
    --US military loses, "Obama's Iraq", desperate to exit
    --US exit leaves Taliban empowered in North India

    2. USA intervenes in India to safeguard Christians being "persecuted"
    --Dossier of the "case" is very large, ready for deployment
    --Well organized networks in India provoke, monitor the "persecution", and lobby in Washington
    --USA wins by Christianizing "Frontier South India"
     
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    Re: Where is India in the Clash of Civilizations?

    WSJ: "Evangelicals give US Foreign Policy an Activist Tinge"

    1."...evangelicals are embracing international causes with the same moral fervor they have long brought to domestic matters" and "are making a mark on US foreign policy"

    2. Senator Brownback was called "a champion of evangelical causes on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee"

    3. "The evangelicals' growing involvement in foreign affairs creates a new constituency for intervention abroad"

    4. "A Gallup Poll also shows the Evangelicals' growing numbers, placing them at no less than 43% of US population
     
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    Re: Where is India in the Clash of Civilizations?

    What Indian Civilization can Contribute to the World

    Creativity and Mind Sciences
    1. Intuitive mind, creativity, abstract free thinking
    2. Truth can be fuid, ambiguous; not closed or final
    3. Improvisation skills, not rule bondage

    Ecological Sustainability
    1.Yoga of contentment without obsessive consumerism: alternative to "development model"
    2. Four life-stages to modulate consumerism
    3. Plurality of valid lifestyles and aesthetics

    Self Organized Groups
    1. Organic, integral
    2. Decentralized like the banyan tree
    examples: dignified aging, decentralized social security
     
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    Re: Where is India in the Clash of Civilizations?

    @Das ka das

    USA has not intervened in Egypt to safeguard Coptic Christians.
     
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    Re: Where is India in the Clash of Civilizations?

    Yogi and Gladiator Archetypes

    1. Two defining encounters in world history:
    --Emperor Ashoka: Gladiator surrenders to Yoga
    --Gladiator appropriates Yoga for imperialism

    2. Buddhism's unique history of expansion without conquest or imposition of language, identity, rulers, taxation upon others, etc.

    Yogi's Dilemma when facing Gladiator's aggression:

    If Yogi does not fight, he will get killed for sure.
    If Yogi fights like a Gladiator, he will no longer remain a Yogi.

    Indian Civilization must solve this Dilemma!
     
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    Re: Where is India in the Clash of Civilizations?

    Sir its a hypothetical scenario. Situation has changed much since the advent of Obama.
     
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