Where does India Stand in Arms Export?

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  1. Madhavbhartia

    Madhavbhartia Regular Member

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    Why has India lagged so much in Defence exports? Lets discuss !!!

    India is ranked 28th in the arm exporters list whereas China is #7 whereas India is #1 importer of arms as compared to china which is 13th. Bear in mind TIVs(Trend Ä°ndicator Values) do not represent the financial value of goods transferred. Instead, TIVs are an indication of the volume of arms transferred.

    I used the below link http://www.sipri.org/databases/armstransfers to get the ranking.

    I observed the nations to whom India is exporting are Ecuador, sri Lanka, Maldives, Mauritius, Nepal, ... mostly neighbourhood nations in last 10 years.

    In our media we always boost about weapons made by India like Dhruv, Arjun, Brahmos, Akash, Nag, LCA...etc

    But whether the Indian industry been able to meet domestic demand of Indian Forces?
    Are different countries actually buying them rather than just show some interest?

    How is India's Sale, production, service, marketing?

    Is any Indian private company is seriously venturing in Defence Industry or its just PSU's ?


    Lets discuss
     
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  3. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    India has to first fulfill indigenous requirements (LCA etc..) before thinking about exports. India is still 10-15 years away from a military export infrastructure.
     
  4. Parthy

    Parthy Air Warrior Senior Member

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    Do you think foreign nations will be interested on LCA? For us, we can say LCA Mark-1 is a technology demonstrator and Mark-2 will be a better fighter which can add some value in replacing Mig-21 Bisons....

    Might be, AMCA can be marketed if it gets complete on time... :thinking:
     
  5. SHASH2K2

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    Parthy LCA will be a big hit in African continent. Its quite a decent aircraft. Apart form that we have brahmos, arjun, LCH and Dhruv that can be exported. Problem with us is that we have huge demand for these equipments in our own country itself . we cannot export them unless we fulfill our own requirement .
     
  6. Singh

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    India lies a little ahead of Saudi Arabia.
     
  7. Madhavbhartia

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    In that case, is the GoI expanding production facilities...I mean are we blocked because of production facility? ....If thats the case I think India should increase its production facilities...If it can increase then delivery of these equipments will be faster, possibility of exports, employment and definately lesser import.
     
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    problem in this case that entire R&D and manufacturing is done by public sector. Had it been private sector we could have made some money by exporting it to developing or underdeveloped nations.
     
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    I don't think LCA will be a hit in African continent.. Is there any article or news relating to that?? =xy

    Yes Agreed. LCA is quite a decent aircraft but not to the potent for which the specification has been given. Hardly twice it went supersonic that too at high altitudes where the air is less denser (read somewhere in a report). We are not sure how effectively LCA can perform with full payload. So, we are still skeptic on its performance as a fighter and the role it is going to play in IAF.

    Yes, there are demands in exporting Brahmos, Dhruv after it fulfills nation's needs.. In case of Dhruv, Army has already reported assembling problem.. LCH is still in testing phase, donno when it will be available for field trails.

    What about Arjun?? Is there any demand from any nations.. don't have idea on this... Sorry/// :emot100:
     
  10. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    There are no export clauses from nations providing the LCA- engines.
     
  11. SHASH2K2

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    You think they fly rafale and superhornets there? when china can export their junks we definitely can .
    Lca will be used in Interceptor role .

    Dhruv had issue only with reaching its stipulated maximum speed. thats not a big issue and is being sorted out. once under production LCH will be having huge demand in African market .
     
  12. Madhavbhartia

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    I think its more because of the clarity in process & complications....
    Or may be no private sector wants to start from scratch as investment is huge & RoI takes time....

    May be a public private partnership or some IPO of PSU defence companies..
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  13. Madhavbhartia

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    Check this http://www.hindustantimes.com/A-first-Foreign-interest-in-Arjun-tank/Article1-426801.aspx

    Seeking to build up its armoured warfare capabilities to crush a potential threat from Venezuela, its Latin American neighbour Colombia has shown interest in buying India’s indigenous Main Battle Tank (MBT) Arjun. The first ever expression of interest from abroad in the MBT Arjun could translate into an export order worth Rs 1,700 crore:happy_2:, with Colombia wanting to raise at least two regiments of main battle tanks.
    “Bogota has expressed interest in the MBT Arjun. The Colombian army has an immediate requirement for 10 tanks to be followed up with the induction of another 100 over five years,” said a senior official, on the condition of anonymity.

    The competitors for the Colombian order include France (MBT Leclerc), US (MIAI Abram), Israel (Sabra), Korea (KI AI) and China.ss9

    India’s reluctance to export military equipment could tip the scales in the favour of international suppliers. The ministry of external affairs had recently turned down a Bolivian request for a line of credit to buy seven Dhruv advanced light helicopters worth over Rs 300 crore from Hindustan Aeronautics Limited:angry_1:
     
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    looks like we have started to include public sector into our defence manufacturing. Though its quite slow. Hopefully situation will improve in coming years.
     
  15. Yatharth Singh

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    According to me, till now, India stands no where in the race of arms export. Except exporting assault rifles Insas and HAL Dhruv India has not taken much interests in export which I dont understand why.
     
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    I don't believe that we have to fulfill our own needs opinion because we have not finished inducting dhruv in our armed forces but we are already exporting it so that is not the case. In case of LCA, Arjun it has lot of things which are not Indian so we need to get permission from other countries to export.
     
  17. tony4562

    tony4562 Tihar Jail Banned

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    Virtually all of india's indigenous projects are dependent on foreign components, for example the the helicopter which india has sold to Ecuador, is 90% foreign by value. The same goes for Arjun tank, dehli destroyer. This fact pretty much ensures that indian products should they make it to the market, will not have the price advantage over similar, but quality-wise superior western products. I wonæt be surprised if the liquid fuel powering india's prithvi missiles, is in fact made by chemicals supplied by China. India does not have very good fundamentals, that's why most indian projects, be it civilian or military, fail often or take exceedingly long time to complete.
     
  18. SHASH2K2

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    At least we buy them and donot steal like what China does. You people feel proud about stealing while we feel ashamed . Its all about mentality but I am preaching it to wrong people.
     
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    tony4562 Tihar Jail Banned

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    We have passed the stage of stealing/copying. We have sent human into space, built the fastest super computer known to mankind, possess the world's largest high-speed rail network, we are also home to world's largest car market, consume more steel/concrete than the rest of the world put together, Chian is also adding the entire power gneration capacity of britain each year, what more can you ask? Further more, Huawei is now no.1 company in the world in patents filing, and China is now a leader in green-technology. Go check out my hometown, s 2nd tier city in china and you will know that the gap between us and you guiys is greater than the gap between the yankees and us.
     
  20. maomao

    maomao Veteran Hunter of Maleecha Senior Member

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    No you have not passed that level, still you are copying and stealing designs......Atleast you have admitted that you steal and copy! China is all about propaganda and nothing more, in the end they end up buying Russian products and sell their Crap to Failed States such as Somalia, Sudan, pakistan, and others without inducting such junk themselves.:happy_2:
     
  21. SHASH2K2

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    But still china steal technologies from Russian weapons . you are planning to make a 5th generation plane but have to engine to install in that .
    I would love to get your opinion on that thread .
    http://www.defenceforum.in/forum/showthread.php?t=10524
     

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