When the British Indian Army Marched on Beijing!

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  1. bengalraider

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    Troops of the Eight nations alliance of 1900. Left to right: Britain, United States, Australian colonial, British India, Germany, France, Austria-Hungary, Italy, Japan.


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    Some of the Indian Origin Regiments that fought in china during this campaign were
    51st Sikhs (Frontier Force)

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    Skinner's Horse
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    http://bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=411
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/51st_Sikhs_(Frontier_Force)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion
     
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    Nice information!
     
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    That was a stupid thing we got used for their ambition, all over the world. Indian soldiers fought and died in Sahara and Europe. Not even one THANKS for that.
     
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    Many Indian (Sikhs) served in police Shanghai Municipal Police - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Up to date in Shanghai or Hong Kong dialects there're slangs related to Indians (sometimes a bit derogatory, like about their turbans etc.) But no offence, just a cultural phenomenon.

    Even now some hotels in China hire Indians (supposedly Sikhs) in their traditional costumes as doorkeepers or guards to give themselves an exotic or nostalgic touch.

    More Indians in China nowadays than u think


    Below taken in an Indian restaurant in West China
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    The India Gate in Delhi stands testimony to their thanks,If you think that's nothing note that no government of independent India has ever built a national war memorial for our war dead.

    The British might have been our colonial masters and we may have fought their war but they showed left a monument in mute testimony to their gratitude for the brave Indians who died in foreign lands for the cause of Britain.I have no love lost for the British Raj but neither will i stay back from giving credit where it's due.
     
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    Still a problem of "political correctness", as mercenaries

    Not only they fought for the "cause of Britain" (foreign), but also often fought locals who rose against Brits (imagine Saharan nomads)
     
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    You might say the same about the Irish and the Scots and many others.

    The respect due to soldiers goes to them, their loyalty, bravery and suffering, not to the flag they fight for.

    Ideally a nation acts so that it deserves all of that from its own armed forces.
     
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    The time and age must be taken into consideration before we fall prey to what we deem politically correct today! this was the age of empire mind you with the Germans,French, British ,Russians and Japanese armies being primary routes of employment for those militarily inclined in the empires skin color and race not withstanding,Even Chinese Mercenary armies supported the Kwantung in their subjugation of china
     
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    This is a good example of western imperialism’s “divide and conquer”. Use people from one colonial country to against another one.
     
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    This was a disgraceful period of Indian history, when Indian soldiers were used to oppress people all over the globe as lackeys of the British Empire.
     
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    nothing to be proud of
     
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    When the British used their Indian subjects against another nation.
     
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    While i will agree with all your assessments that the British empire used us against the Chinese, i remind you once again that there was little of the current India in the subcontinent at that time what we had was a motley crew of feudal lords and rulers who lent and deputed their personal armies in the service of the British crown in order to continue getting the patronage and support of that crown,this was an age where gaining political mileage in India meant service to the crown for the rulers of the princely states. If there is anyone we must decry for Indian forces being sent to foreign lands it is them not the common grunt who simply did in the service of the British crown what his "sarkar" back home in the opulent palaces that were once the multiple seats of governance in India ordered him to!
     
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    Nothing to be proud of......
     
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    Same thing happened during the Opium wars.
     
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    I concur. I have admiration for the skill and valour of those mercenaries, but not respect. These were merely paid workers, like in many other professions. If anything I exude pity and sympathy for unfortunate souls, who had to die without a worthy cause, merely as cannon fodders for someone else's war.
     
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    Why do not you try and use such "mercenaries " against jihadies today ? Try using ? your comment was without historical context and time. You are judging yesterday with today's standards.

    You would definitely pronounce Akbar's entire Army including Raja Man Singh or Jai Sing as mercenaries !!
     
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    You are being to harsh in judging soldiers who were taught
    their loyalty belongs only to Mother England..
    They had no idea their loyalty would mean nothing.
     
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    Many Indians joined the British Army simply because there no viable alternative. The British destroyed many indigenous industries which would have employed these men in an earlier age. Given a choice between living in poverty or joining the army, many chose the latter.

    During WWII some 28 lakh Indians volunteered to fight for Britain, but I doubt many of those 28 lakh soldiers cared about the Battle of Britain.
     
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