When Germany is Christian, Why India is NOT Hindu ?

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    i Came across this article.

    Article by Mariawirth : May 4, 2013
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    Though I live in India since long, there are still some points that I find hard to understand – for example why many educated Indians become agitated when India is considered as a Hindu country. The majority of Indians are Hindus. India is special because of its ancient Hindu tradition. Westerners are drawn to India because of it. Why then is there this resistance by many Indians to acknowledge the Hindu roots of their country?

    This attitude is strange for two reasons. First, those educated Indians seem to have a problem only with ‘Hindu’ India, but not with ‘Muslim’ or ‘Christian’ countries. In Germany for example, only 59 percent of the population are registered with the two big Christian Churches (Protestant and Catholic), however, the country is bracketed under ‘Christian countries’. Angela Merkel, the Chancellor, stressed recently the Christian roots of Germany and urged the population ‘to go back to Christian values’. In 2012, she postponed her trip to the G-8 summit for a day to address the German Catholic Day. Two major political parties carry ‘Christian’ in their name, including Angela Merkel’s ruling party.

    Germans are not agitated that Germany is called a Christian country, though I actually would understand if they were. After all, the history of the Church is appalling. The so called success story of Christianity depended greatly on tyranny. “Convert or die”, were the options given not only to the indigenous population in America some five hundred years ago. In Germany, too, 1200 years ago, the emperor Karl the Great ordered the death sentence for refusal of baptism in his newly conquered realms. It provoked his advisor Alkuin to comment: ‘One can force them to baptism, but how to force them to believe?’

    Those times, when one’s life was in danger if one dissented with the dogmas of the Church, are thankfully over. And nowadays many in the west do dissent and leave the Church in a steady stream – partly because they are disgusted with the less than holy behavior of Church officials and partly because they can’t believe in the dogmas, for example that ‘Jesus is the only way’ and that God sends all those who don’t accept this to hell.

    And here comes the second reason why the resistance to associate India with Hinduism by Indians is difficult to understand. Hinduism is in a different category from the Abrahamic religions. Its history, compared to Christianity and Islam was undoubtedly the least violent as it spread in ancient times by convincing arguments and not by force. It is not a belief system that demands blind belief in dogmas and the suspension of one’s intelligence. On the contrary, Hinduism encourages using one’s intelligence to the hilt. It is an enquiry into truth, based on a refined (methods are given) character and intellect. It comprises a huge body of ancient literature, not only regarding Dharma and philosophy, but also regarding music, architecture, dance, science, astronomy, economics, politics, etc. If Germany or any other western country had this kind of literary treasure, it would be so proud and highlight its greatness on every occasion. When I discovered for example the Upanishads, I was stunned. Here was expressed in clear terms what I intuitively had felt to be true, but could not have expressed clearly. Brahman is not partial; it is the invisible, indivisible essence in everything. Everyone gets again and again a chance to discover the ultimate truth and is free to choose his way back to it. Helpful hints are given but not imposed.

    In my early days in India, I thought that every Indian knew and valued his tradition. Slowly I realized that I was wrong. The British colonial masters had been successful in not only weaning away many of the elite from their ancient tradition but even making them despise it. It helped that the ‘educated’ class could no longer read the original Sanskrit texts and believed what the British told them. This lack of knowledge and the brainwashing by the British education may be the reason why many ‘modern’ Indians are against anything ‘Hindu’. They don’t realize the difference between western religions that have to be believed (or at least professed) blindly, and which discourage if not forbid their adherents to think on their own and the multi-layered Hindu Dharma which gives freedom and encourages using one’s intelligence.

    Many of the educated class do not realize that on one hand, westerners, especially those who dream to impose their own religion on this vast country, will applaud them for denigrating Hindu Dharma, because this helps western universalism to spread in India. On the other hand, many westerners, including Church people, very well know the value and surreptitiously appropriate insights from the vast Indian knowledge system, drop the original source and present it either as their own or make it look as if these insights had been known in the west.

    Rajiv Malhotra of Infinity Foundation has done painstaking research in this field and has documented many cases of “digestion” of Dharma civilization into western universalism. He chose the term digestion, as it implies that that which is being digested (a deer for example) is in the end no longer there, whereas the ‘digester’ (a tiger) becomes stronger. Similarly, Hindu civilization is gradually being depleted of its valuable, exclusive assets and what is left is called inferior.

    If only missionaries denigrated Hindu Dharma, it would not be so bad, as they clearly have an agenda which discerning Indians would detect. But sadly, Indians with Hindu names assist them because they wrongly believe that Hinduism is inferior to western religions. They belittle everything Hindu instead of getting thorough knowledge. As a rule, they know little about their tradition except what the British told them, i.e. that the major features are caste system and idol worship. They don’t realize that India would gain, not lose, if it solidly backed its profound and all inclusive Hindu tradition. The Dalai Lama said some time ago that already as a youth in Lhasa, he had been deeply impressed by the richness of Indian thought. “India has great potential to help the world,” he added. When will the westernized Indian elite realize it?
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    The religion of German tribes was historically displaced by Christianity. That Hindus still keep their religion today is significant, particularly since a major theme of DFI is the lamenting over the presence in India of Christian missionaries.

    And there is this, which I have no idea why I append:

    Goodrick-Clarke, Nicholas, Hitler's Priestess: Savitri Devi, the Hindu-Aryan Myth, and Neo-Nazism (New York University Press, 1998, hardcover: ISBN 0-8147-3110-4, paperback: ISBN 0-8147-3111-2)
     
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    I take it because India is India and Germany is Germany.

    History and ethos I think plays a part.

    I will take the chance of amplifying.

    The term Hinduism is derived from the word ‘Hindu’, which is a Persian distortion of ‘Sindhu’, the ancient name for the River Indus running through northern India. To that end, it is less a religion than a codification of the evolving way of life and beliefs of the inhabitants of the region. A conglomerate of diverse beliefs and traditions, Hinduism has no single founder.

    Modern Hinduism grew from the ancient texts called Vedas, and bore much similarity to other Indo-European religions like Zoroastrianism, incorporating strong elements of nature gods and their worship.

    And importantly, Hinduism has no central doctrinal authority and most practicing Hindus do not claim to belong to any particular denomination.

    Therefore, it being a free flowing, loose knit concept, it does not have the compulsion to personify itself in aggressive identification, though these days, possibly due to competitive religious oneupmanship, an aggressive segment seeking singular identity and regimentation is and has made its presence felt in a big way.

    This new found singular identity search and emphasis is contrary to the concept that there is no central doctrinal authority or a central code of religious activities that makes Hinduism as a homogenous religious entity, answering to the dictates of a single religious head or single religious scripture..

    Therefore, Germany may revel being Christian, but it in no way, makes it incumbent on India to identify with any religion as its sole guide.
     
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    Good article!

    One of the main reasons is that some rich Hindus manage to go abroad for studies & job and seeing their wealth and cleanliness join them and (underestimating the fact that India was under foreign rule for 100s of year except last 65 years and if pointed out these idiots call it a 'bogeyman'), if you talk about 'glorious Hindu past' they stop you saying 'stop living in the past' while it's a fact that the leftist govt has never given any chance to Hindus to remember the past, and this willful ignorance has started even before 1947, and majority of Hindus have been brainwashed by European rulers and secular brigade.

    However it's true that India is an undeclared Hindu state which has been declared a secular state by Hindus.
     
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    The issue is not talking about the 'glorious Hindu past'.

    One must talk about it, but more importantly, apply it!

    What is the idea of merely talking?

    And I am not rich! :wink:
     
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    A chauhan "अहिंसा परमो धर्मः धर्म हिंसा तथैव च: l" Senior Member

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    I agree Ray sir, but to apply we need to know our history. I gave it as an example and nothing else. What I say is that majority of Indians do not know about their own history (the same glorious past :D), we need to teach them our true history e.g. that Shivaji was not merely a Guerilla fighter.

    There are some fashions which literate and illiterate Indians tend to follow, i.e. fashion of 'correctness' e.g. India was not 'secular' before constitution, British united india, British modernized us otherwise we were never going to learn :lol:, Invaders brought music arts etc to India (as if India was culturally hollow), Aryans civilized us (again from Europe),Hindus are backward people, all the religions are same, Congress is the best party (thank god it's changing now), Invaders never persecuted us religiously nor affected us negatively etc.

    We have started to deny our roots because of the above fashions. I want Indians to be free from the above , until we realize who we are we can not develop this country.
     
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    First off, Hinduism is not the name by which Indians identify their religion - it is `sanatana dharma`.

    Secondly, no dharmic faith insists that if you do not worship Rama, Krishna etc or follow the teachings of Guru Nanak, Gautama Buddha, Bhagwan Mahaveera you will be sent to Hell.

    So denizens of this country considered the teachings of Jesus or Mohammed as just another way to God and not blasphemy.
     
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    Sir our nation will also follow the way of Germany. Of this I have no doubt.
     
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    Because India just know better than

    1) the Germans ...
    2) or the Republicans who like to call America a Christian nation
    3) or the Pakis who like calling themselves an Islamic nation
    4) or the Israelis who like calling themselves a Jewish nation
    5) or the Nepalis who like calling themselves a Hindu nation
    6) or the Lankans who like calling themselves a Buddhist nation
    7) or the British who like to pretend that theirs is a multicultural nation

    or...

    8) the Chinese who like calling themselves .... wait for it .... an atheist nation.:rolleyes::frusty:
     
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    Nepal is now secular :namaste:
     
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    Because the muslims have crossed 25% of indian Population.
     
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    Then what is Vishwas Hindu Parishad>

    Why is not Vishwa Sanatana Sharma Parishad?

    Could you quote any of the scriptures of Christianity and Islam which says you go to hell if you don't follow that religion?

    It seems to have slipped my mind, but not your and so I ask!
     
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    Can you please tell me when you last heard Hindus calling non-hindus as kaffirs/infidels or pagan?

    India is a tolerant because of its Hindu majority its a fact, please check across the border for confirmation :)
     
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    I agree that not much of 'our glorious past' is stated in our school books or taught even by our parents.

    Though I will disagree that India was not 'secular'.

    If it were not 'secular', then there would not have been such a mix of religiosity thriving shoulder to shoulder.

    The Indian civilisation is one that is read about all over the world and taken to be a great civilisation.

    I might as well remind you that the Indian civilisation was way modern when the European roamed around as barbarians,
     
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    I also said the same sir ! :) India was a secular place indeed, and it has become a fashion to say that India was not secular before the constitution.
     
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    India was and is secular and all I say, let us live up to it emphasising our secular historical credentials.
     
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    Since when was Germany a "Christian" country?

    Do these people bother doing even basic research?
     
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    True. Other than the UK, Greece and the Scandinavian Countries and of course Vatican, I don't think any country in Europe has a state religion. But that being said, some European nations (like Germany) do give special status and privileges (tax exempt status, option of religious instruction if it is desired etc) to traditional religions (which in some cases include Islam too). I think there is nothing wrong with that, they have the right to preserve their culture.
    But of course the ideal condition would be banning religion. :D
     
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    Germans had many dieties, although not as many as there are Hindu.

    Norse and German Mythology
     
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