When China will be the world dominating MILITARY SUPERPOWER?

[Dovah]

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[Ray]

China will become a superpower when she is ready and has arrived.

It is still in the process of adjusting with the world and realpolitik.

She still looks at the world in that dictatorial manner as she looks and controls her own citizens.

That does not work in the real world beyond China.

China's first step would be to take over Taiwan even with force if necessary and then watch how the world reacts.

It can be the litmus test.

 

[AprilLyrics]

Even DFI had been disappointing me for quite a while, this is still one of the most boring thread not just here, but all internet... ...

DFI is a military forum ,whose china subforum is full of non-military threads....among them you can find articles about toilet,sperm donation,food safety,hearsay about Chinese leaders,economy and financial affairs,etc.enjoy it....

 

[GromHellscream]

Before the new energy revolution happens in China, I personally don't appreciate the thought to trigger a world-conquer compaign when your rivals are of similar technology level with you.

 

[Tshering22]

The first step to being accepted as a superpower and being respected to be led by, is to project a genuine and softer image. Show the world what you have in terms of family life, work life situation, music, language, arts, history etc. And not the one that was artificially created by Mao's cronies to change your entire history but genuinely what you were.

China is an ancient civilization and has much to offer to the world in terms of soft power.

Military only comes as the last resort.

Tell me, why do you think that the USA was able to dominate and win over entire Europe and later the rest of the world?

Because even though they were militarily strong, they still showed these countries what they had to offer OTHER than a military might.

Europe after years of imperialistic wars and colonial competition, was blown away by this sort of an alliance. Younger generation adopted American styles and trends. US music became popular and influenced people. Icons like Michael Jackson etc became household names.

Did US use military force there? No. Did it cultivate bad blood with any of its former colonies? No. Did it make its would-be or confirmed allies as insecure? No.

What makes you think that countries as far as east Asia joined up with US apart from Europeans and majority South Americans?

Now compare this to what China has to offer.

- Political tensions
- Policy opacity
- Military threats
- Territorial claims and encroachment

Please tell me mate; HOW do you think you are going to be accepted as the world power?

You cannot force people to respect you. It is something that comes from within.

Do you think Europe is still bound by anything to obey US? No. They can technically show them the finger especially the three powers ie UK, France and Germany and create their own spheres. But why do they agree to US on major issues? Is it because of a nuclear threat, military threat or expansion threat? None of these.

China has a long way to go before it can become a world power. Military build up alone doesn't make a country a power.

The Japanese made the mistake, Germans made the mistake, Soviets made the mistake, British made that mistake BUT US learned from them and from the semi-soft approach France used in its haydays.

You are making the same mistake as what the first 3 countries I said, did.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

China will not be a superpower for 2 major reasons

1)China's energy security is dependant on other nations
2)China's war capability is limited to regional conflicts

These 2 factors separate it from the real superpowers, China can always try to fool the
world that it is a superpower but these 2 factors will also limit it to a second rate power.

 

[J20!]

How will China be a world dominating superpower with a Brown water navy?

You always say that but never back it up with facts. Link please...?

If the PLAN, the bigger navy with better equipped, and more than double the ships RIGHT NOW is a brown water navy, then what is the IN? No navy at all?

 

[average american]

Before the new energy revolution happens in China, I personally don't appreciate the thought to trigger a world-conquer compaign when your rivals are of similar technology level with you.

Not similar China is about 20 years behind. China has never had even a Noble Prize winner, except for the one in prision. Of the top 500 Universities in the world only 8 are in China.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

You always say that but never back it up with facts. Link please...?

If the PLAN, the bigger navy with better equipped, and more than double the ships RIGHT NOW is a brown water navy, then what is the IN? No navy at all?

Overview - People's Liberation Army Navy Overview

People's Liberation Army Navy

But the PLAN remains little more than a "brown water" coastal defense with limited "green water" capabilities, and no pretense of "blue water" aspirations

Since you made the comparision to the Indian Navy. Indian Navy covers an area 10 times the area Chinese navy
covers.China is confided to South China seas. Indian navy covers the whole Indian ocean from the Horn of Africa
to the Malacca straits.

 

[EzioAltaïr]

You always say that but never back it up with facts. Link please...?

If the PLAN, the bigger navy with better equipped, and more than double the ships RIGHT NOW is a brown water navy, then what is the IN? No navy at all?

We have an operational ACC, while China has one ACC for use as a training ship. That should put things into perspective.

 

[J20!]

Overview - People's Liberation Army Navy Overview

People's Liberation Army Navy

But the PLAN remains little more than a "brown water" coastal defense with limited "green water" capabilities, and no pretense of "blue water" aspirations

Since you made the comparision to the Indian Navy. Indian Navy covers an area 10 times the area Chinese navy
covers.China is confided to South China seas. Indian navy covers the whole Indian ocean from the Horn of Africa
to the Malacca straits.

Hahaha! You're quoting an article that's SO OLD that when it was published "The newest indigenously produced addition to the fledgling blue water fleet of China's People's Liberation Army Navy, the Luhai-class guided missile destroyer, Shenzhen, emerged from the Dalian shipyard in August 1998." 14 years and 5 evolutionary destroyer classes later and China has launched this:

Our 2nd generation AESA AAW destroyer the 052D was launched a while back (armed with 64 strike length CCL(I bet you don't even know what that is) VLS cells and 4 massive new AESA arrays), whilst India will commission its FIRST GENERATION AESA destroyer the P15A(that doesnt have any strike length cells who's VLS can only carry one type of small SAM in the Barak 8) hopefully in 2014, ours, the 052C has been operational since 2005.

Whaaaaat?! Are you serious? Maybe you're referring to the PLAN's South Sea Fleet, which alone has 3 LPD's to the IN's single old ex-USN LPD, and 5 modern destroyers including 2 Type 052C's and Shenzen mentioned in the article vs the IN's 3 Delhi's which only carry 32km range Shtil... There is the North Sea Fleet and the East Sea Fleet as well, The East Sea Fleet as well has 4 Sovremeneys vs India's 3 Dehli's.

If the PLAN is confined to the SCS, then why is India always whinging over PLAN activities in the IN from the Malacca straight to the Gulf of Aden and below towards Madagascar?

Give me an article from a naval expert calling TODAY's PLAN a coastal navy, not an article from before the new millennium. LOL! smh.

 

[J20!]

We have an operational ACC, while China has one ACC for use as a training ship. That should put things into perspective.

You have a 50 year old STOVL museum that carries less than 10 obsolete Harriers with no spares. Would that ever survive an engagement anywhere near the Pacific protected by 32km shtil's from the old Dehli's? Don't make me laugh.

Thailand has an operational carrier too, are they superior to the PLAN as well? The Brazilian navy too?

 

[Sumonmitra20]

:cool2: denying the ovbious fact will make you looks even more retarded than you already are

grow up....

 

[mikhail]

You have a 50 year old STOVL museum that carries less than 10 obsolete Harriers with no spares. Would that ever survive an engagement anywhere near the Pacific protected by 32km shtil's from the old Dehli's? Don't make me laugh.

Thailand has an operational carrier too, are they superior to the PLAN as well? The Brazilian navy too?

come on mate its a chini aircraft carrier afterall!and i think everyone knows here that the words "chini" and "quality" are quite opposite to each other.so in case of a naval war its a high probaqbility that the Varyag will have some malfunctions or other as its been fitted by chini components!so guess who's gonna have an upperhand then

 

[mikhail]

Hahaha! You're quoting an article that's SO OLD that when it was published "The newest indigenously produced addition to the fledgling blue water fleet of China's People's Liberation Army Navy, the Luhai-class guided missile destroyer, Shenzhen, emerged from the Dalian shipyard in August 1998." 14 years and 5 evolutionary destroyer classes later and China has launched this:

Our 2nd generation AESA AAW destroyer the 052D was launched a while back (armed with 64 strike length CCL(I bet you don't even know what that is) VLS cells and 4 massive new AESA arrays), whilst India will commission its FIRST GENERATION AESA destroyer the P15A(that doesnt have any strike length cells who's VLS can only carry one type of small SAM in the Barak 8) hopefully in 2014, ours, the 052C has been operational since 2005.

Whaaaaat?! Are you serious? Maybe you're referring to the PLAN's South Sea Fleet, which alone has 3 LPD's to the IN's single old ex-USN LPD, and 5 modern destroyers including 2 Type 052C's and Shenzen mentioned in the article vs the IN's 3 Delhi's which only carry 32km range Shtil... There is the North Sea Fleet and the East Sea Fleet as well, The East Sea Fleet as well has 4 Sovremeneys vs India's 3 Dehli's.

If the PLAN is confined to the SCS, then why is India always whinging over PLAN activities in the IN from the Malacca straight to the Gulf of Aden and below towards Madagascar?

Give me an article from a naval expert calling TODAY's PLAN a coastal navy, not an article from before the new millennium. LOL! smh.

but its chini after all, and that matters most!come on mate face the reality that you guys can't even design a simple RD-93 like engine and you want us to believe that you have developed an evolutionary next-gen warship just out of nowhere:taunt1:!wake up from this wet dream mate that chinis will be a military superpower like USA in the near future because no matter how much developed the chini economy might become at the end of the day you guys will still be manufacturing junks and not top class weapons

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Hahaha! You're quoting an article that's SO OLD that when it was published "The newest indigenously produced addition to the fledgling blue water fleet of China's People's Liberation Army Navy, the Luhai-class guided missile destroyer, Shenzhen, emerged from the Dalian shipyard in August 1998." 14 years and 5 evolutionary destroyer classes later and China has launched this:

Our 2nd generation AESA AAW destroyer the 052D was launched a while back (armed with 64 strike length CCL(I bet you don't even know what that is) VLS cells and 4 massive new AESA arrays), whilst India will commission its FIRST GENERATION AESA destroyer the P15A(that doesnt have any strike length cells who's VLS can only carry one type of small SAM in the Barak 8) hopefully in 2014, ours, the 052C has been operational since 2005.

Whaaaaat?! Are you serious? Maybe you're referring to the PLAN's South Sea Fleet, which alone has 3 LPD's to the IN's single old ex-USN LPD, and 5 modern destroyers including 2 Type 052C's and Shenzen mentioned in the article vs the IN's 3 Delhi's which only carry 32km range Shtil... There is the North Sea Fleet and the East Sea Fleet as well, The East Sea Fleet as well has 4 Sovremeneys vs India's 3 Dehli's.

If the PLAN is confined to the SCS, then why is India always whinging over PLAN activities in the IN from the Malacca straight to the Gulf of Aden and below towards Madagascar?


Give me an article from a naval expert calling TODAY's PLAN a coastal navy, not an article from before the new millennium. LOL! smh.

But the brown water navy is still pussyfooting against smaller neighbors like phillipines.
Still stuck in south China seas permanently trying to scare smaller neighbors big bad
BROWN water PLAN navy. This article is from 2011.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

US navy still eclipses China's expanded force | Navy & Maritime Security News at DefenceTalk

US navy still eclipses China's expanded force

By Agence France-Presse on Thursday, December 8th, 2011

China's navy has hundreds of vessels at its disposal, among them nuclear submarines and an aircraft carrier, but it still does not come close to the huge naval firepower wielded by the United States.
Chinese President Hu Jintao called Tuesday for the country's navy to "make extended preparations for military combat", further fuelling fears over Beijing's ambitions in the highly strategic maritime area that surrounds it.
The United States, which recently reasserted its role as a Pacific power and said it will post troops in Australia, responded by saying China had the right to develop its military capabilities, but should do so "transparently".
China maintains a high level of secrecy around its People's Liberation Army, the largest armed force in the world with an estimated 2.3 million troops.
Around 300,000 of those are thought to serve in the navy, which comprises three fleets and has around 30 large missile destroyers, half a dozen nuclear-powered attack submarines and a small number of nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines.
This year it unveiled its first aircraft carrier, a 300-metre-long (990-foot) former Soviet naval vessel that had its first sea trial on August 10.
By contrast, India — another major military power in the region — has around 132 warships, including an aircraft carrier, and 16 submarines, one of which is a nuclear submarine undergoing sea trials.
Earlier this year, the Pentagon warned that the PLA — still primarily a land force — was increasingly focused on its naval power and had invested in high-tech weaponry that would extend its reach in the Pacific and beyond.
Nevertheless, experts say China's naval capability pales in comparison with America's huge and technically highly sophisticated maritime force.
The US Pacific fleet is the country's largest, with 79 ships and submarines off America's west coast, 29 in Hawaii, 19 in Japan and four in the Pacific territory of Guam.
Six of America's 11 aircraft carriers have their base in the Pacific, including the USS George Washington, which is docked at the Yokosuka naval base in Japan. At any given point, there are around 50 US naval ships in the west Pacific.
America's huge naval operations combined with its geopolitical alliances in the region have enabled it to contain China within what is known as a "brown water navy".
Hemmed in by an arc of powerful rivals in South Korea, Japan and Taiwan, China suffers from severely limited access to the oceans that surround it.
"The Chinese are also acutely aware of US military capabilities, as demonstrated in combat actions every year since 1991, and the gap between their capabilities and those of the US and its allies," said Dennis Blasko, a Chinese military expert with the Washington-based Jamestown Foundation think tank.
"The Chinese are conducting their modernisation process with no recent combat experience, no experience in fighting the kind of informationised war they are preparing to fight."


Read more: US navy still eclipses China's expanded force | Navy & Maritime Security News at DefenceTalk

 

[J20!]

come on mate its a chini aircraft carrier afterall!and i think everyone knows here that the words "chini" and "quality" are quite opposite to each other.so in case of a naval war its a high probaqbility that the Varyag will have some malfunctions or other as its been fitted by chini components!so guess who's gonna have an upperhand then

Last time I checked, it was your Russian refitted carrier that was blowing up its boilers during trials. In the space of a year, the Liaoning has spent a total 102 days at sea, yours didn't last 3 months before having to go back for repairs. Our carrier was refitted in one of our well equipped shipyards with world class shipyard infrastructure(cranes, dry docks etc), not in a pen made for nuclear submarines. All you've done is let Russia re-learn carrier building and maintenance before refitting their own Admiral Kuznetsov.

Maybe our build quality being so low is why you buy more than double from us what we buy from india.

I think your problem is you think the Chinese defense industry and its Indian counterpart are peers. far from it. One is the 6th largest exporter of defense tech, and one is the world's largest importer of military equipment.

 

[J20!]

but its chini after all, and that matters most!come on mate face the reality that you guys can't even design a simple RD-93 like engine and you want us to believe that you have developed an evolutionary next-gen warship just out of nowhere:taunt1:!wake up from this wet dream mate that chinis will be a military superpower like USA in the near future because no matter how much developed the chini economy might become at the end of the day you guys will still be manufacturing junks and not top class weapons

Where is Kaveri my Indian friend? Not 1 SINGLE INDIAN FIGHTER FLIES WITH AN INDEGENOUS ENGINE. Not even 1 prototype. WS10A's are flying on OPERATIONAL J11B's, but you're just trolling so no matter. Its amazing that an INDIAN could laugh at our tech considering that you don't have a single indigenous fighter in operation, you cant even export guns, let alone fighters.

 

[J20!]

Double post...