What will happen to the Admiral Kuzetsov???

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I could care less about any "Test". How about the real world! The Mig-29 has a terrible record and has lost time and time again. Either in real Aircombat or Exercises.


Sorry, if that hurts your feelings but its the plain truth.
Against US and NATO, even if you give the opponent the F-15SE they will keep loosing against US and NATO, they have a huge advantage in surveillance and offensive capability over everybody else, due to the fact that they have more money than rest of the bloody world.

If the Indian navy operating a carrier with MiG-29K was to face US and NATO alliance, i think MiG-29K will not even be able to take off from the doomed carrier....

You could change that to China, Russia, or any other nation you like....

As for air combat exercises, from what is available online in plenty amounts, they are generally tilted towards one-side to practice winning and the other side to make sure that the other side gets good practice in shooting them down (red vs. blue)

If you really want to analyse the MiG-29s role, consider this.

Mig-29 as a part of a worlds strongest air defence network with overlapping radar coverage and long range SAMs, built to have no pound for air to ground, specialist in air defence over a short range (max200-300 kms from air base), under very clear guidance of ground and air based control, a T/W ratio higher than one, worlds first operational heat seeking air to air missile with off-boresight capability, cued by the pilots helmet.

In the soviet structure it was deadly against any US or NATO attack.

If India was to attack Bangladesh, even with a squadron or two of F-15s, we will finish the air war in 2 days.
 

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Against US and NATO, even if you give the opponent the F-15SE they will keep loosing against US and NATO, they have a huge advantage in surveillance and offensive capability over everybody else, due to the fact that they have more money than rest of the bloody world.
You see, that's the key here: NATO AND USA. It is never USA alone against even tiny countries like Iraq and Afghanistan. USSR on the other hand struck Afghanistan single handed all while fighting the same USA and NATO team. Also, you overrate them too much, US suffered badly in Vietnam, a country that was being torn from three sides then. It is the quality of training and not the fine equipment alone.

If the Indian navy operating a carrier with MiG-29K was to face US and NATO alliance, i think MiG-29K will not even be able to take off from the doomed carrier....
But the point is, we aren't going to be facing either NATO and USA or either of them even alone because they cannot even afford a war on Pakistan or North Korea now, let alone us or any other country of our size. Try learning about Luftwaffe MiG-29s vs F-16s and you will know what I am talking about.

You could change that to China, Russia, or any other nation you like....
You overrate China way too much because of one 1962 (in which 4 battles they won and India won 3 JFYI) but don't see what happened in 1 dozen smaller conflicts after that. Chinese don't even know the experience of operating an aircraft carrier yet compared to us. You really think they'd stand a chance in IOR against Indian Navy? Seriously?

NATO is busy with Afghanistan and Pakistan right now dude. We and they are on the same side in terms of strategic understanding of our region.

As for air combat exercises, from what is available online in plenty amounts, they are generally tilted towards one-side to practice winning and the other side to make sure that the other side gets good practice in shooting them down (red vs. blue)
Ahan? Gripens from Swedish AF swatted down USAF F-16s and F-15s like flies during Red Flag. Czech Gripens repeated the same this time, prompting USAF to ask for possible use of Raptors in air exercises next time. IAF MiG-21 Bis gave a tough time to USAF (not impossible but a healthy competition) despite being vintage; F-117, the "raptor of 90s" got shot down by vintage Soviet weapons;

Anything else?

If you really want to analyse the MiG-29s role, consider this.

Mig-29 as a part of a worlds strongest air defence network with overlapping radar coverage and long range SAMs, built to have no pound for air to ground, specialist in air defence over a short range (max200-300 kms from air base), under very clear guidance of ground and air based control, a T/W ratio higher than one, worlds first operational heat seeking air to air missile with off-boresight capability, cued by the pilots helmet.

In the soviet structure it was deadly against any US or NATO attack.
Dude, why are you taking US and NATO into this? The most likely opponent that MiG-29K will be facing will be PN or PLAN, both of which have no experience in sea-air warfare compared to us. One has a coastal naval aviation (PN) and the other will have to really stretch its supply lines to their limit, forgetting any scope of a decent war with us (PLAN) in IOR.

The K variant that we ordered and Russian Navy ordered, is modified to carry air to ship ordinances apart from usual air to air arsenal.


If India was to attack Bangladesh, even with a squadron or two of F-15s, we will finish the air war in 2 days.
Why do we even need to attack Bangladesh? When BNP was ruling them, we didn't attack them. Then why with AL would we attack them?
 

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You see, that's the key here: NATO AND USA. It is never USA alone against even tiny countries like Iraq and Afghanistan. USSR on the other hand struck Afghanistan single handed all while fighting the same USA and NATO team. Also, you overrate them too much, US suffered badly in Vietnam, a country that was being torn from three sides then. It is the quality of training and not the fine equipment alone.



But the point is, we aren't going to be facing either NATO and USA or either of them even alone because they cannot even afford a war on Pakistan or North Korea now, let alone us or any other country of our size. Try learning about Luftwaffe MiG-29s vs F-16s and you will know what I am talking about.



You overrate China way too much because of one 1962 (in which 4 battles they won and India won 3 JFYI) but don't see what happened in 1 dozen smaller conflicts after that. Chinese don't even know the experience of operating an aircraft carrier yet compared to us. You really think they'd stand a chance in IOR against Indian Navy? Seriously?

NATO is busy with Afghanistan and Pakistan right now dude. We and they are on the same side in terms of strategic understanding of our region.

Ahan? Gripens from Swedish AF swatted down USAF F-16s and F-15s like flies during Red Flag. Czech Gripens repeated the same this time, prompting USAF to ask for possible use of Raptors in air exercises next time. IAF MiG-21 Bis gave a tough time to USAF (not impossible but a healthy competition) despite being vintage; F-117, the "raptor of 90s" got shot down by vintage Soviet weapons;

Anything else?

Dude, why are you taking US and NATO into this? The most likely opponent that MiG-29K will be facing will be PN or PLAN, both of which have no experience in sea-air warfare compared to us. One has a coastal naval aviation (PN) and the other will have to really stretch its supply lines to their limit, forgetting any scope of a decent war with us (PLAN) in IOR.

The K variant that we ordered and Russian Navy ordered, is modified to carry air to ship ordinances apart from usual air to air arsenal.

Why do we even need to attack Bangladesh? When BNP was ruling them, we didn't attack them. Then why with AL would we attack them?
If its a conventional war, US Navy can destroy most major surface combatants of the next top 10 naval forces combined in less than a week, USAF is the only force that can penetrate any air defence on earth.

I did not mean to say that China or Russia could damage the Indian Aircraft carrier operating in the indian ocean, what i said above was that USNavy can destroy the combined naval forces of India, Russia and China in less than a week, i will be surprised if they took more than 3.

You have really got everything i said wrong, I meant to compare the performance of the MiG-29 in wars against the US NATO alliance, the power of that alliance is huge enough to defeat any conventional enemy in a heartbeat, its the irregular warfare that bothers them. and gave the example of India attacking a Bangladesh, in which case even a squadron or two of F-15s ultimate version (in service with Bangladesh Air Force) would make no difference.
 

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@Crusader53-The IN MiG-29 k has better RADAR than IAF's SU-30 MKI(BARS PESA).It has lower RCS when compared to our MiG-29b it has extended range,best avionics with the latest FCS on board.So,i would not discount the Naval Fulcrums BTW it is more than a match to our adversaries' F-16 MLU/block-52+.The Russian jets are heavily underrated due to the American propaganda(for which,you have fallen prey to!).American pilots took a back seat when Russian/Soviet pilots entered the Vietnamese scenario!DON'T FORGET!
Personally, I wouldn't take the Mig-29K over the PAF F-16 Blk 52. Yet, it's close enough to make a case for either. Really, I was just pointing out that the Mig-29K will be extremely vulnerable after say 2020 from a number of threats. Which, likely explains India's RFI for a New Naval Fighter. Remember, Naval Fighters are more often that not 'Out Numbered". So, being as good is rarely exceptable.........
 

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Admiral K will be coming out of refit in 2017. It will give a 20 year service life and allow them to retain the status quo of one carrier until they can build a replacement. The MiG-29Ks will be bought for one carrier to keep one regiment available. It will only be used to keep a carrier tradition so they will not have to start from scratch when they do decide to build one. Its operational effectiveness is nill.
 

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Admiral K will be coming out of refit in 2017. It will give a 20 year service life and allow them to retain the status quo of one carrier until they can build a replacement. The MiG-29Ks will be bought for one carrier to keep one regiment available. It will only be used to keep a carrier tradition so they will not have to start from scratch when they do decide to build one. Its operational effectiveness is nill.

Wow you can tell the future so well, I wonder if I can borrow your crystal ball once your done with it. Maybe before you put down a aircraft carrier that's not even in service yet, you should look at your own aircraft carrier the Charles de Gaulle, and see how unreliable that ship is before you criticize something not even sailing yet. It can't even do a mission without spending some time in port for leaks, and broken propeller shafts.
 

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Admiral K will be coming out of refit in 2017. It will give a 20 year service life and allow them to retain the status quo of one carrier until they can build a replacement. The MiG-29Ks will be bought for one carrier to keep one regiment available. It will only be used to keep a carrier tradition so they will not have to start from scratch when they do decide to build one. Its operational effectiveness is nill.

Is that like the ex-Gorshkov was suppose to enter Indian Service in 2008........


Really, this is the point about Russian Equipment. Great claims and promises. Yet, they seem to often fall short......:emot100:
 

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