What was the state of faith in ancient India and subcontinent?

[Mad Indian]

No my war is on SANSKRIT&BRAHMINICAL Vedas/puranas .... i don't give sh*t abt AIT/AMT.'coz wt ever it may we are part of it,and it happens 3500 yrs before.My point is about these trash epics and their holiness.

So you would rather believe in shit like AIT/AMT, a British propaganda to keep the Indians divided and justify their rule?

 

[SANITY]

HIndu is a person who follows a certain way of life according to a set of scriptures and shastras.

What about those natives of subcontinent who do worship Hindu Gods/Deities and go to temples etc but do not follow the principles and ideology of hindu scriptures or mythology? Would it be wrong to say that most natives are actually the same?

Hinduism doesnt enforce or give threat to follow a particular belief.(No death threats and 70 or odd virgins). It has a more mature view on every being , its conduct, behaviour and psych.
It all boils down to Karma or WHat we do in life, meaning conduct of one in society. Isnt all basic forms of every religion try to form the basic "conduct" of society.
The scriptures, Samhitas or Shastras are more to do attaining a higher self minus the weed or threats.

I agree that as per texts, it is similar what you say but the view of Hinduism to an outsider is often based the practises of Hindu's which may or may not be based on Hindu philosophies and knowledge. Also the lessons in these scriptures and texts are pretty much same as any other religion.

Are the people outside subcontinent who have similar principals and values or Karma as taught through Hindu scriptures but haven't read it are also a Hindu?

 

[Mad Indian]

My point is simple...

Sanskrit origins are from Central aisa,some one/tribes came from there and developed vedic culture here

And your point is trash because it does not stand upto to genetic or archeological evidence

Sanskrit and Aryan Culture are indigenous to India and India alone and not some central asian barbarians. "Dravidian" is a Britshit invention to divide the nation further and rule it . Period

If you still believe it to be true inspite of so many evidences against it, you are ignorant!

 

[Mad Indian]

Dravidian is related to Dravdian Language family .... Aryan is related to sanskrit/Indo european family.

Study genetic ANI/ASI we are intermixed,even TN have 20% genetics,Kashmiri have 30% ASI genetics.There is DRAVIDIAN BRAHMINS too.

But again my point veda/puranas are nothing but sanskrit rituals/prayers with 0 science in it ....

How do we know that "Dravidian" is different language group to begin with? "Dravidian" itself is a sanskrit word meaning "southern". By that same standard, will a sanskrit word for "Northern" will constitute a different race of people in Northern India or different linguistic group of "Northern India"?

Also, I have been having this doubt for a long time now, how do we know that Tamil was a different language from Sanskrit family? I mean the vowels and consonants are similiar and so is the grammar. Anyway, more research is needed in these areas. I know many "tamil" supremacists will be upset with it, but you cant be mad at the truth

 

[Sambha ka Boss]

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/religion-culture/1403-aryan-invasion-theory.html



@jus I think you should go through this thread. I used to believe in crap like AIT too. Infact in that thread, I was even defending it. But later after discussions on it, I got enlightenment

Go through it and you will know how much of apeshit AIT/AMT actually is

I too believed in AIT once but reading about Saraswati river and Late Indus Valley civilization changed my views towards it and genetic studies was extremely starling. The proponent of AIT/AMT has created a paranoia that if anyone opposes AIT/AMT he instantly becomes a Hindutva goon.

 

[Sambha ka Boss]

Dravidian is related to Dravdian Language family .... Aryan is related to sanskrit/Indo european family.

Study genetic ANI/ASI we are intermixed,even TN have 20% genetics,Kashmiri have 30% ASI genetics.There is DRAVIDIAN BRAHMINS too.

But again my point veda/puranas are nothing but sanskrit rituals/prayers with 0 science in it ....

Dravida was a geographic term for southernmost reaches of peninsular India precisely Tamil Nadu-Kerala. Dravida is a Sanskrit word which was Dramila in Prakrit and it referred to land around the three waves/seas.

 

[Sambha ka Boss]

My point is simple...

Sanskrit origins are from Central aisa,some one/tribes came from there and developed vedic culture here.And Vedas/puranas are trash or don't have any worthwhile information like our Brhaminical cult said

Did you find any inscription of Sanskrit in central Asia or any Sanskrit text talking about central Asia, I am looking for it since a long time.

 

[SANITY]

The state of faith in ancient India was immature insensitive un cultural racial paganism . It was upon realising this fact and the fundamental flaws in pseudo faiths like paganism that in later centuries in Kings of various kingdoms themselves who ruled bharatvarsh allowed proponents of more rationale, modern and logical abrahamic faiths to set foot on this land and teach people the true path to salvation. Hinduism is nothing but amalgam of few pagan rituals and practices that has survived through the centuries as some people of the subcontinent were too adamant to let of their ego (still are).

And how did you come to this conclusion, Dastan? Come on give wisdom of Abrahamic faith and compare with Hinduism so that it would make some sense. n my knowledge Abrahamic faiths seem to have done most violence throughout history known to mankind and their method of violence and torture have been way beyond any other? Don't make casual comments if you don't know much on topic.

 

[Sambha ka Boss]

@Srinivas_K @archie the Europeans intentionally misinterpreted Vedic texts to create an Aryan race and hypothetical Aryan invasion and hypothetical Aryan-Dravidian wars. If you read the history of North Europe you will find them many of them lacked a sense of history because of the ancient history of North European countries. Others have intention to refute the dominance of Hebrew language or religion and they saw savoir in claiming Sanskrit language. Others were baffled with the richness of Vedic literature and wanted to claim it as their own, They declared themselves as pure Aryans whiles North Indians were reduced to impure Aryans or lesser inheritor and South Indians as non-Aryan Dravidians and no inheritors of Vedas.

And we already know about British colonial interests through Aryan invasion theory and inventing a Dravidian race.

 

[Sambha ka Boss]

Indo-European: Spanish, English, Hindi, Portuguese, Bengali, Russian, Lahnda, German, French, Marathi, and Urdu, accounting for over 1.7 billion native speakers.[4] Several disputed proposals link Indo-European to other major language families.

Indo-European languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ok, so how does it prove Sanskrit came from Central Asia, its like claiming Latin came from Moscow or Greek came from Ukraine.

 

[Mad Indian]

@Srinivas_K @archie the Europeans intentionally misinterpreted Vedic texts to create an Aryan race and hypothetical Aryan invasion and hypothetical Aryan-Dravidian wars. If you read the history of North Europe you will find them many of them lacked a sense of history because of the ancient history of North European countries. Others have intention to refute the dominance of Hebrew language or religion and they saw savoir in claiming Sanskrit language. Others were baffled with the richness of Vedic literature and wanted to claim it as their own, They declared themselves as pure Aryans whiles North Indians were reduced to impure Aryans or lesser inheritor and South Indians as non-Aryan Dravidians and no inheritors of Vedas.

And we already know about British colonial interests through Aryan invasion theory and inventing a Dravidian race.

The most unfortunate thing about it is that even the Right wing Indian/Hindu nationalists like @jus buy this crap . I wont blame him for his ignorance though. The fault lies with the marxist shit taught as history in schools.

Education is a powerful manipulative tool. This is why it is of prime importance to reform the education to get rid of the marxist and leftist filth filling it. I would say that in some ways, reclaiming education from the leftist filth is more important right now than economic reforms, when we consider the long term benefits

 

[Sambha ka Boss]

Dravid is geographical term next what ... for idiots i posted it b4,any way for u.So u don't know even KANNADA&TELUGU are Dravidain languages,but started sermons to about dravidian/aryan, what a funny

The term Dravidian language was coined by Scottish Bishop Robert Caldwell for South Indian languages. Otherwise Since the word Dravida is Sanskrit, in all ancient Sanskrit texts refer Dravida was a territory around the three seas (that comprises Tamil Nadu-Kerala today). Now, don't act funny, we are talking about true Indian history and terms invented by Brits on their own whim and fancy.

 

[SANITY]

Muzlims also says same thing ..... koran&hadith and their interpretation of GOD has reasoning and logic associated with it.

who said 'don't believe it'.I believe Spider/Super Man too,that is my believes

Vedas/purana/upanishad are trash.Aryans are nomads&tribals when they arrived in sub continent,how can u expect them to produce anything productive... Thank god that muzlims existed in India else India will no time turn into Atheist India if 99% are Hindus.'coz of muslims we are toned down/tolerating this Brahminical nonsense

You write too much off topic non sense buddy, why don't create another thread. This thread is about another topic. If you want to talk/argue/discuss about rationality/irrationality, truth/fakeness of faith, then, you are politely requested to create a thread dedicated to your cause. Thanks.

 

[Sambha ka Boss]

The most unfortunate thing about it is that even the Right wing Indian/Hindu nationalists like @jus buy this crap . I wont blame him for his ignorance though. The fault lies with the marxist shit taught as history in schools.

Education is a powerful manipulative tool. This is why it is of prime importance to reform the education to get rid of the marxist and leftist filth filling it. I would say that in some ways, reclaiming education from the leftist filth is more important right now than economic reforms, when we consider the long term benefits

Cleaning Leftist/colonial historical crap and cleaning the socialist economic mess can go hand in hand.

 

[Mad Indian]

I too believed in AIT once but reading about Saraswati river and Late Indus Valley civilization changed my views towards it and genetic studies was extremely starling. The proponent of AIT/AMT has created a paranoia that if anyone opposes AIT/AMT he instantly becomes a Hindutva goon.

One cannot help marvel at the genius of the Britshits in this regard.

AIT/AMT is something which both upper caste bigots and lower caste bigots accept as truth for political reasons(it does not get stranger than that)!

Upper caste bigots, who have their self esteem destroyed due to the leftist filth fed to them in history class want themselves to be associated with the superior race, .ie the Europeans instead of being associated with their nativity

Lower caste bigots(like the Dravidian parties in TN) use is to claim that they have been subjugated and that it is rightful for them to seek seperatism from their different raced oppressors.

Winner- Britshits who want the people of India divided

Loser- every ----ing moron who believes in this shit

As I said, education and history are very important tools to manipulate people to be anti themselves! Its high time to clean up the history filled with marxist filth!

 

[Sambha ka Boss]

One cannot help marvel at the genius of the Britshits in this regard.

AIT/AMT is something which both upper caste bigots and lower caste bigots accept as truth for political reasons(it does not get stranger than that)!

Upper caste bigots, who have their self esteem destroyed due to the leftist filth fed to them in history class want themselves to be associated with the superior race, .ie the Europeans instead of being associated with their nativity

Lower caste bigots(like the Dravidian parties in TN) use is to claim that they have been subjugated and that it is rightful for them to seek seperatism from their different raced oppressors.

Winner- Britshits who want the people of India divided

Loser- every ----ing moron who believes in this shit

As I said, education and history are very important tools to manipulate people to be anti themselves! Its high time to clean up the history filled with marxist filth!

And you didn't mention about Hinduphobic leftists, who will embrace anything that leads to a big onslaught on Hinduism to demolish it to spread Marxist ideology.

 

[Mad Indian]

Again, @jus give me justification for Tamil being a different language family. I know Hindi enough to know that several similiarity exists between the two. So tell me why should Tamil merit a different language group when Hindi can be grouped with English, when English has more differences to Hindi than Tamil. For one, both are phonetic languages unlike English!

 

[Mad Indian]

read it b4,the link has many details ,any way who even don't know diff btw LANGUAGE& GEOGRAPHY

Indo-Iranian, emerged around 2200 BCE,[12] attested circa 1400 BC, descended from Proto-Indo-Iranian (dated to the late 3rd millennium BC).

Indo-Aryan or 'Indic languages', attested from around 1400 BC in Hittite texts from Asia Minor, showing traces of Indo-Aryan words.[17][18] Epigraphically from the 3rd century BC in the form of Prakrit (Edicts of Ashoka). The Rigveda is assumed to preserve intact records via oral tradition dating from about the mid-2nd millennium BC in the form of Vedic Sanskrit.

Asia minor geography ......

here is an article on why AIT/AMT is crap.

The Aryan Invasion Theory: The Final Nail in its Coffin

 

[Sambha ka Boss]

read it b4,the link has many details ,any way who even don't know diff btw LANGUAGE& GEOGRAPHY

Indo-Iranian, emerged around 2200 BCE,[12] attested circa 1400 BC, descended from Proto-Indo-Iranian (dated to the late 3rd millennium BC).

Indo-Aryan or 'Indic languages', attested from around 1400 BC in Hittite texts from Asia Minor, showing traces of Indo-Aryan words.[17][18] Epigraphically from the 3rd century BC in the form of Prakrit (Edicts of Ashoka). The Rigveda is assumed to preserve intact records via oral tradition dating from about the mid-2nd millennium BC in the form of Vedic Sanskrit.

I believe you are talking about about Mittani and Kasserite where they found the Indo-Aryan substratum. That substratum is only among the royal Families, not among the people. Secondly Indus Valley civilization was a Sanskrit speaking civilization as Sanskrit was known in Sapta Sindhu before 1900BC as Saraswati the most revered river of Rigveda dried in 1900BC in an earthquake. Again that don't prove Sanskrit came from Central Asia. There are Greek inscriptions in Afghanistan, does that mean Greeks came from Afghanistan.

 

[sorcerer]

R u kidding me,how many times i said aryan migration.... WTF aryan invasion, is there any chance these tribals with their Gow mata can attack large cities

Anyway come to the point,show me proof 'I will shut my mouth for ever'. No u ppl don't have any proof even though 1000's of sanskrit speakers can study ur HOLY VEDA/PURANA but not produce one Sc'fic invention/product.But always blabber 'Everything is in Vedas/Puranas'

What makes you think that camel riders can attack large cities. Tribals outwit the modern day techno fighters... (Look at middle east) .

I think answering your logic doesnt require much thinking or external links.

Today everything is Wikipedia..At one time Everything was Vedas and Puranas. Its irony that even Wikipedia quotes from Vedas and Puranas.

Here is one proof about veda
Indian astronomy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A few of the inventions stilll stand today and is studied by scientists.
Sanskrit speakers must have did this and deciphered it and its from vedas and puranas.
Not everything is in vedas and puranas..but those they thought about then is in vedas and puranas, cuz that was the literature of that time.

Unfortunately these literature being the oldest get refered by script writers from other religions and refered it, thus drawing parallels.. .
Deal with it.

Ps: Are you trying to outwit genius and win the jackass award... You are doing an awesome job then !!!good luck
Haha..Nice job removing your signature text.Doesnt hide what you are. Is that your way of being covert.. Very thoughtfully naive of you.