What if the ARAB SPRING reaches SAUDI ARABIA?

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can ARAB SPRING reach SAUDI ARABIA ?

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  1. YES, IT WILL

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  2. NOT POSSIBLE

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  3. MAYBE

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  1. josh67

    josh67 Regular Member

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    saudi arabia very actively funded the radical islamic groups in syrian civil war with money and arms. However saudi arabia deSPERATE ACTIONS did not get them success in their ultimate goal of falling bashar-al-assad regime and installing a islamic govt or a moanrch under its influence.

    saudi arabia plan backfired and led to crisis in iraq. As of now isis have become self-sustainable with high incomes from oil revenues, looting mosul bank ,doing extortion and kidnappings.

    isis and its other associates are stuck in a region where they cannot gain further territory because

    *on west bashal-al-assad regime is strong(supported by russia and iran)
    *on south eastern iraq --- shia forces and kurdish forces are present with support from NATO.
    *turkey?? noooo because it is a powerful regional country and a stable democracy.

    the only country left is saudi arabia which is a islamic monarchy and has elements within which supports ISIS.it is a good breeding place for ISIS and could harness good local support which ISIS is famous for. history has shown again & again that monarchs fall pretty quickly and unpredectibly... so is saudi arabia next?? or it is too big to fail??
     
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    When Saudi Arabia falls, US will lose its safe footholding in the Middle-east; which is unthinkable for US. The elements in Saudi Arabia will liais with the ISIS and make sure ISIS stay out of Saudi. ISIS is important for someone in the Middle east and only time will say who installed them and for what.
    Its a part of a great theatre of UW.
     
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    Al-Otaibi and his followers tried that. Their attempt failed, and their heads were chopped off.
     
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    It reached Bahrain with the shia majority, but the sunni ruling minority sought help and suppressed the whole movement with the military help from Saudi arabia.

    It is worth noting that Western govt who are supposedly beacon of freedom world kept quiet if not actively supporting these theocracies :)

    Talking about double standards.
     
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    Thats what i am saying ..saudi arabia is a perfect breeding ground for Isis as it has sunni majority...suppressed people and radical ideology
     
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    but my question is, the so called Arab spring is really that strong?
    what has it achieved, and whats is its basis.
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    No such spring was ever that strong. Success came in Libya because of NATO invasion, not because the springing mercenaries were strong. Where NATO failed in invade, we have stalemate, like in Syria. In Saudi Arabia, it won't happen, because Saudi Arabia is an ally of the west. Ditto with Bahrain.
     
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    Saudi is funding arab spring to force other countries to reduce oil production. Iraq could double oil output if they can control extremists. But Saudi will soon taste their own medicine similar to what Pakistan is facing now.
     
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    @jus,

    Good map. I know you got it from Global Research. I would like to see Gilgit-Baltistan part of India, and also control of the Wakhan Corridor, to have a direct link with Tajikistan, and thereby, Central Asia.
     
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    This may be possible in few yrs with bloody CIVIL wars(in M-E).As far as Pak disintegration, we(Ind) need to support Balochisthan&Pakthon freedom struggles 'coz no one cares af-pak are live or die with zero OIL reserves :rofl:
     
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    It will never reach the Arabian peninsula. Relations between the Saudi monarchy and the west are mint, and the west has vomited too much money into gulf states like the UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, etc., which cannot survive instability in Saudi Arabia.

    Exactly. When the relations between the Saudi monarchy and Big Oil ran into rough waters, that movement cropped up. When it stabilized, it was crushed, and those people were cut like goats.

    Somebody ate a Rainbow popsicle and pulled that image out of their ass. It's a very old image. Good luck with giving POK to Afghanistan, for starters.
     
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    I would favor it, in fact. if you do something then do it openly. Saudi Arabia and ISIL have limited difference, one is doing the same as a 'responsible' nation for many years, while the other side is now doing the same, but openly. and hence i find ISIL, a more welcome approach.....

    Saudi Arabia and ISIL deserve merge, i sincerely believe :ranger:

     
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    and one more thing to consider is that saudis are happy with the present rule, they get to do whatever they want in the name of islam (like abusing females, humiliating non-saudis and non muslims- sort of perfect islamic bubble), then what in the camels back do they dream for democracy and equality which are as unislamic as a jew.
     
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    The possibility is there, They can make Mecca and Medina similar to Vatican city.

    USA fully supports Monarchy in S.Arabia. But future is unpredictable as USA's strategic interests always changes.

    ISIS has some ideal wahabi breeding grounds in S.Arabia. If a fire catches there it will spread like hell in that area.
     
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    R u kidding this is 2006 Map and u clearly see Sunni iraq&Shia iraq already divided,now kurds are fighting what happens after that "kurdisthan".

    For ur kind information POK is with pork!stan :taunt: and shia majority GilgitBalistan with afg,in the map

    Once GB ppl started independence struggle from Pork!stan, pork!army ordered OsamaBin Laden to crush the independence so u can easily expect what will happened those poor guys,demography changing slowly, pakthoon&talibans are settling there...in short India will never accepts talibanized GB,if they offered for free
     
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    Relax and don't worry..

    That won't happen .. We don't have problems with our government to protest against them. :thumb:

    There is a big differences between gulf countries (GCC) and other Arabs countries ...

    All those people who overthrow their presidents they were looking for justice and better life..So, that does not mean all regimes will fall or it's weak !


    Moreover, the responsible of the situations in IRAQ is USA not Saudi Arabia as you mentioned !

    A little of credibility,please ..

    USA Who toppled Saddam Hussain and created a new extremist regime ( Noory Al-Malki) .. And that regime stood in Shia's side against Sunnies and killed them ,threw them in prisons ,raped their women and insult them !

    Now,People in Iraq are looking for their rights not because Saudi Arabia ordered them .
     
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    You have a wraped knowledge of the facts, are you sure you aren't brainwashed by wahabi propaganda ?
     
  20. prohumanity

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    Saudi Arabia is the hotbed of financing, planning and directing global terrorism via Pakistan and other allies...they destabilzed entire middle east and caused endless misery to the poor people of middle eastern countries. The screams and tears of those people might wipe out
    the regime of Saudi Royal family ... Even Netanyahoos and Uncles might not be able to defend the Saudi Royal family. I see this coming.
     
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    Global outrage at Saudi Arabian blogger’s public flogging

    Saudi Arabia is remaining silent in the face of global outrage at the public flogging of the jailed blogger Raif Badawi, who received the first 50 of 1,000 lashes on Friday, part of his punishment for running a liberal website devoted to freedom of speech in the conservative kingdom.

    Anger at the flogging — carried out as the world watched the bloody denouement of the Charlie Hebdo and Jewish supermarket jihadi killings in Paris — focused on a country that is a strategic ally, oil supplier and lucrative market for the U.S., Britain and other western countries but does not tolerate criticism at home.

    Punishment filmed

    Mr. Badawi was shown on a YouTube video being beaten in a square outside a mosque in Jeddah, watched by a crowd of several hundred who shouted Allahu Akbar (God is great) and clapped and whistled after the flogging ended. Mr. Badawi made no sound during the flogging and was able to walk back unaided afterwards.

    “Raif was escorted from a bus and placed in the middle of the crowd, guarded by eight or nine officers,” a witness told Amnesty International. “He was handcuffed and shackled but his face was not covered. A security officer approached him from behind with a huge cane and started beating him.

    “Raif raised his head towards the sky, closing his eyes and arching his back. He was silent, but you could tell from his face and his body that he was in real pain.” Mr. Badawi’s wife, Ensaf Haidar, told the Guardian from Montreal on Sunday: “Many governments around the world have protested about my husband’s case. I was optimistic until the last minute before the flogging. But the Saudi government is behaving like Daesh [a derogatory Arabic name for Islamic State or Isis].”

    Saudi Arabia joined other Arab and Muslim countries in condemning the murder of 12 people at the Paris satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo but angry comments highlighted its double standard in meting out a cruel punishment to a man who was accused of insulting Islam.

    One cartoon circulating on social media showed a man resembling Mr. Badawi being flogged alongside the words: “Saudi Arabia condemns the terrorist attack on freedom of expression in Paris” Another image showed a pencil being flayed by whips.

    One woman at Sunday’s Paris solidarity rally carried a placard declaring: “I am Raif Badawi, the Saudi journalist who was flogged.” Others protested at the presence of the Saudi Foreign Minister.

    Mr. Badawi was sentenced last May to 10 years’ imprisonment and 1,000 lashes — 50 at a time over 20 weeks — and fined 1 million Saudi riyals (£175,000). He has been held since mid-2012, and his Free Saudi Liberals website, established to encourage debate on religious and political matters in Saudi Arabia, is closed.

    He is expected to receive another 50 lashes this Friday.

    Mr. Badawi’s punishment is part of a wider campaign against domestic dissent. His lawyer, Waleed Abu al-Khair, was sentenced to 15 years in prison last July because of criticism of human rights abuses.

    Global outrage at Saudi Arabian blogger’s public flogging - The Hindu
     

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