What If Multi-cal Rifle Tender Fails?

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What If Multi-Cal Rifle Tender Fails ?

  1. Re-Issue the tender for MCWS

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  2. Issue New tender within Indian Private Players for MCWS.

    35.9%
  3. Issue New tender for Upgrading INSAS 1B1 within Indian Private Players.

    51.3%
  1. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    From recent media reports it is evident that Berrata and SIG and IWI had agents in India and trying to Influence there products in both media and trails >>

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    Source : ndian Army at the mercy of shadowy arms dealers, lobbyists : The Big Story - India Today
    Source : Multi-crore arms deals: videos of Home Ministry, alleged kickbacks | NDTV.com

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    Now If it falls we have 3 options. >>

    1. Re-Issue the tender and wait another 5 years.

    2. Issue a RFI within Private Sector to make a Multi-cal Rifle, Same as FICV tender.

    3. Issue a tender within Private and Gov sector to Upgrade existing INSAS 1B1 as per Army specs.
     
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    Payeng Daku Mongol Singh

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    Option #1.
    1. Re-Issue the tender and wait another 5 years.

    :facepalm::truestory:
     
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    SajeevJino Long walk Elite Member

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    Only 64,000 ..and Is the deal Include Only the base Rifle or with Multiple Accessories like Red dot sight ,UBGL ,torch

    and our forces already have ARX 100 ..how many of them currently operated by IA, BSF and SF

    Another Five years ...Shit ..No way

    Sir You got my Point

    Nope ..One of my Friend is in BSF says our Enemies can change their mag at every 30 or 20 rounds and Shouting "Changing Mag" but our guys saying after 10 rounds of fire "Repairing my Rifle" ..Really we need a newer Platform can lower weight with highest Reliability and For sure every Rifle should attached with ted dot sight or some sighting devices



    Don't forget your weapon supplier is the lowest Bidder to supply their arms
     
  5. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    I have selected that options coz i used the Rifle, And i have talked about these issues in very deep details..

    Please read this thread:
    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-army/43826-insas-rifle-lmg-carbine.html

     
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    sayareakd Moderator Moderator

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    Kunal sir something wrong with the figures ?

    5,50,00,000 / 64000 would give you interesting figure of 859.3.
     
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    So finally it came out the whole thing of arming BSF with this flashy Beretta many on DFI correctly pointed out that this smell fouls.

    Bloody hell no sense in acquiring weapons each force is acquiring 1 type of SMG one get Israeli x-95 others get Beretta, when these buggers will rise above thinking their own pockets.
     
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    kunal sir figure would be 1 billion which means 1,000,000,000 USD and in INR it is 55,000,000,000 which is 5500 crores
    so cost per unit is 8,59,375

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    INSAS cost about 25000 INR :tsk:
     
  9. Kunal Biswas

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    I think it would be very good that this tender fall and goes to our Private sector who also may produce / upgrade these rifles..

    It would be ok, say if Mahindra participating with berrata or tata with SIG..
     
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    yeah after all this i too want this tender to be re issued with domestic player given right to make at least 60% of the system here in India.

    5500 crores for rifle looks like scam in making.
     
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    As usual we are poor and lethargic in defense.. :tsk:
     
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    We already discussed about It Kunal. We need to upgrade our Great Insas .
    When india can lauch Chandrayan 1 and 2 ,
    When India can Launch 11 satlite in one Launch,
    When India can Build Nuclear Submarine ,
    When India can Launch ICBMs to the target 6000Km away,
    When India can produce Stealth Frigat,
    When India can design Desi Howitzers ,
    When India can Launch Rover to Planet Mars,
    When India can Co develop and Mass Produce Mother of all Cruise Missile Bhramos ,
    When India Produce Tejas ,
    When India can build a Aircraft Carrier ,
    When Indians Leads in all design and development of NASA and other defence company,
    When India can produce Nuclear Bombs
    When India can to much much more
    Why cant we develop a freeking Midget Machine Gun ...:tsk:

    I REALLY DONT UNDERSTAND WHY WE CAN PRODUCE A GUNS BETTER THAN ISRALE OR EVEN CHINA? Please Tell me DRDO,ORDINANCE FACTORY,MOD OF INDIA , Sweet Gentle Babus and Netas and Yea especially KUNAL. I voted for INSAS UPGRADE ASAP
     
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    @Mariner HK,
    I think you know the answer, But more important to think about solutions then problems, that is why this thread here for, If you have better option do put here....

    Carry on..
     
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    @Kunal Biswas

    My option is very simple. We need to pump in money atleast few more if not too much for INSAS program. In certain time limit.1 bil $ for 65000 guns will be foolish when u can upgrade and mass produced upgraded Insas . There should be many models Small ,medium Heavy guns.If needed we can joint venture with Russia or Isral either way its win win. They tender u r talking about is a SCAM.I think i posted one thread on these scamed Tender. If DRDO cant produce one Good Insas Project Leader should be screwed and all his credits from Govt of India should be stripped.If he cannot produce Good Rifile for our armed forces and Protect Indian Public He is not fit to be paid with Taxpayers money. PERIOD
     
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    What If Multi-Cal Rifle Tender Falls?

    My answer: I'll be glad.

    We've had enough of this getting different kinds of arms from different sources. India seriously needs to simplify things, and not complicate it.

    How many calibres do we need? We already have 5.56 mm and 7.62 mm (with it's own variations, x39, x51, x54). I really don't see the benefit of introducing yet another calibre.

    The INSAS has potential for improvement.

    The last time I heard, it had 151 parts, and OFB is working to reduce that.

    This is going to be another weird proposition, like the Arun Tank. First they ask for a tank that will perform like western heavy MBTs, and then they complain about the weight. Now, they will get a wide variety of calibres, and then complain about lack of ammunition. I wonder what those people issuing tenders think!
     
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    Why do we need to wait for tender for multi-caliber rifle to be cancelled to come up with an improved variant of Insas?

    Insas also finds service with CAPF and state police force and many units still converting currently.
    Few years down the line these will need replacement.
    What will we offer them as replacement if upgraded insas is not available then?
    DRDO mult-cal will have prohibitive cost for most of these organisation to buy in bulk.

    Insas is no more completely dependent on army GSQR alone.
    OFB has to think it as a product with service of multiple organisations which needs improvement throughout its life-cycle as any other product.

    If we don't upgrade the insas rifle then few years in future we will be seeing tender for import of millions of rifles for CAPF's and state police forces.
     
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    Option #3: Issue a tender within Private and Gov sector to Upgrade existing INSAS 1B1 as per Army specs. :ranger:
     
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    Couple of weeks back there was a military exhibition named Suraksha 2013 held at Cochin.There in one stall of drdo there was a poster of there ongoing research and i was about developing a multi cal rifle named Multi cal weapon system(MCWS).On further inquiry the official told me that the weapon is under development and it is based on the Insas rifle.
    If DRDO is developing a multi cal weapon that too based on insas then why is a hurry to import foreign weapons which comes under a heavy price tag?Lets wait another couple of years till the proposed weapon is unveiled.Importing and obtaining TOT for a foreign multical system in such a heavy numbers is only going to put a nail in the coffin of the whole Insas program.
     
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    @DRDO: Mate, one of the reason for the tender is:
    From IA's point of view, DRDO's credibility is questionable when it comes to timely delivery of weapon-systems, given the DRDO's "not-so-inspiring track record & IA's Arjun experience. In a nutshell, DRDO is better known for "Too-little & too-late".

    Going by IA's logic: Soldier's life (dependent on the arms he uses) & nation's security, is paramount. Subscribing to DRDO's commitment is of secondary importance.
    Now, who can contest that ?
     

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