What I hate about Communists

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Actually, He is Pakistani living in U.K., He uses his real photo in avatar on that forum. He is few members there who avoid trolls. He don't remember me as I use different ID there. :D
I bet then he was quite sane according to usual standards because extremist views and having your pic besides it wouldn't be sensible.
 

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Whatever glorious stuff we talk about communists or "ideal communism" the reality is that Indian communists are a bane to India. For Indian context, commie = jholawala.
 

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True Communism is this, no Prime Minister, no Queen, no Dictator and absolutely no government. The people are in control. The people work as a group. To change the system, one would have to change the people. This can be simplified with Give what you have, take what you need and work as hard as you can..

The good side of Communism is mainly the ideology created by Karl and Engels, not the implementation by Lenin and Stalin. This is because what Lenin and Stalin achieved was NOT Communism; it was more like dictatorship.It was dictatorship now because of three things:

1. Because Stalin acted as a ruler, this automatically created a government.
2. The food rations where reduced for the population but not for Stalin, this is hardly a classless society.
3. And finally, in the original ideology of Communism, the poor should get richer, and the rich get poorer. Exactly the opposite of what was happening.
True communism is what is desired and as in this world nothing is ideal we are inbetween ideal and workable.

The idea has nothing to do with kings and dictators.it was more to do with the basic principal of equality.Equality is the cornerstone.

The idea of stalin what you pointed is just one side of the coin , what stalin did was to transform an illliterate poor pesant country raged by war into a super-power. I am not defending his actions but dont look at his actions though a prism only.

But for stalin USSR would have fallen to the nazis and todays world would have been different. Tough times needs tough decisions and that's what stalin did.

LETS LOOK AT SOME COMMON POINTS NOW :- US was a superpower even before WW2

1> Free state medicine for all :- USSR

2> Free state higher education for all :- USSR

3> Free medical insurance for all :- USSR AND GERMANY

4> Female education and equality :- USSR

5> First socialized medicine :- ALMA -ATA :- USSR

The UK and USA were present and superpower even before centuries ago , then why were there discrimination between women, why the poor had less education oppurtunities , why did the poor die without medicine ?

The so called ancient superpowers for ages including spain , france ,uk , usa should have done all these steps before the ussr came into being , why did they fail ? Today when the west speaks about equality then its just a idea borrowed from the ideals of communism , the western democratic society these days based on the idea of liberty and equality borrowed the basic pillar from communist ideals.Before the communist ideas all these talk of equality and liberty were just bookish.

When people talk stalin killed millions in gulags did they mention that he brought so many positives as well , the ideals of lenin and trotsky even today shapes major domestic policies in non socialist countries.

How do you define this in india or subcontinent ? free education , free medicine , women's equality , where did the ideas come form , did the british bring equality for women or did they bring free medicine idea.

So even today major indian social policies reflect policies of communism and socialism and yet we stay in a mode of denial.
 

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How do you define this in india or subcontinent ? free education , free medicine , women's equality , where did the ideas come form , did the british bring equality for women or did they bring free medicine idea.
Why, we have the Garibi Hatao, Roti Kapda and Makan, Aam Admi and that led to Shining India!

:rofl:
 

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BTW, the term "communism" often used by neo liberals rather loosely. The more accurate term should be Marxism. Communism is the objective of Marxism but before that end is reached it has to pass through "Socialism" first, the so called dictatorship of the ploretariat (USSR for one claimed to be a socialist state). Marxism aims to equalise everybody in economic and political terms with Communism being the perfect state of equality.
 

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What about MN Roys's Radical Humanism?
 

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What about MN Roys's Radical Humanism?


Sorry I'm not very knowledgeable about him. Although taken from the terminology of his philosophy he could be the grandfather of the commune hippies... :lol: But seriously, I am more comfortable with Humanism (although this philosophy is for the academe and artists) which favors individualism than the all-generalising dictatroial Marxism.
 

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Radical Humanism and M.N.Roy

I don't know where to begin this, A person who was a religious nationalist, socialist, communist and a radical humanist. He is a rare Political activist with academic bent and action

M.N.Roy has an experience in the organizing socialist party in Mexico and comintern at Russia and helping the attempts to bring a revolution in china. He co-authored the ideological thesis accepted by ComInternational with Lenin. He started the communist party of India in Tashkent.

Roy was disillusioned by the communism and capitalism. He propounded the theory of radical humanism and proposed a new model of democracy in India. This was in stark contrast to the opinion held by most of the leaders. He and Mahatma gandhi alone were the two apostles who argued for indigenous institutions of democracy.

Roy's main contention with the capitalism and communism is thier utter disregard for and contempt for the humanbeing. Little elaboration would be, In communism man is treated as a helpless being dancing of the dictates of economic forces and his individual personality is to be subordinated for the collectivity. Similarly, malfunctions of Parliamentary democracy and lassiez faire economic doctrine are equally ineffective to solve the crises of modern society.

Roy's direction was for a organized democracy and cooperative economy. He tried to give these concepts a philosophical background through his radical humanism. He founded a new party to mobilise people and rise awareness about his ideas. New humanism is the manifesto of the Radical democratic party.

Freedom is the basic value of radical humanism. This is defined by Roy as,

"The function of life is to live. The basic incentive of organic living is the struggle for survival. It goes on throughout the long process of biological evolution, until in man it becomes the conscious urge for freedom- the supreme human value" and he proceeds to declare that human struggle for freedom is eternal and man conquers environment by knowledge which is the result of this urge for freedom from the restrictions imposed on him. Man is moral because he is rational. Man's morality develops with the rationality.

Two important reflections of Roy on Democracy deserve attention.

1. His insistence on partyless politics. he argued that parties indulge in scramble for power and there are no means which will not be explored to achieve that end. To quote him,

"It is known from experience how, in an atmosphere of political backwardness and general ignorance, this system can be abused; how people of questionable character can occupy positions of public trust by virtue of belonging to particular party. A party gives priority and prominence to people not of moral integrity or intellectual merit, but those who can be of greatest help for it to capture power. the result is that parties often serve the purpose of promoting the ambition of individuals either thirsting for power for the sake of power or for material gain."

2. What is the alternative then?

This was discussed by Roy in his Dehradun study camp. He called it "revolution by consent or pursuasion". This revolution was not by armed insurrection. This revolution should include all sections of the society. This is to be achieved by people's committees in towns and villages as a means for securing relief and asserting rights. These committees will eventually grow into organs of decentralised power.

These ideas were published in book "New Orientation" published later.

Radical humanism brought him very close to gandhi. Both stood for decentralisation of political and economic power and both stood for partyless democracy to purify politics.

"Reason, Romanticism and Revolution" is a two volume edition which gives a wider theoretical background for his thinking.

Radical Humanism and M.N.Roy « Exploring to explain !
 

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Radical Humanism and M.N.Roy

I don't know where to begin this, A person who was a religious nationalist, socialist, communist and a radical humanist. He is a rare Political activist with academic bent and action

M.N.Roy has an experience in the organizing socialist party in Mexico and comintern at Russia and helping the attempts to bring a revolution in china. He co-authored the ideological thesis accepted by ComInternational with Lenin. He started the communist party of India in Tashkent.

Roy was disillusioned by the communism and capitalism. He propounded the theory of radical humanism and proposed a new model of democracy in India. This was in stark contrast to the opinion held by most of the leaders. He and Mahatma gandhi alone were the two apostles who argued for indigenous institutions of democracy.

Roy's main contention with the capitalism and communism is thier utter disregard for and contempt for the humanbeing. Little elaboration would be, In communism man is treated as a helpless being dancing of the dictates of economic forces and his individual personality is to be subordinated for the collectivity. Similarly, malfunctions of Parliamentary democracy and lassiez faire economic doctrine are equally ineffective to solve the crises of modern society.

Roy's direction was for a organized democracy and cooperative economy. He tried to give these concepts a philosophical background through his radical humanism. He founded a new party to mobilise people and rise awareness about his ideas. New humanism is the manifesto of the Radical democratic party.

Freedom is the basic value of radical humanism. This is defined by Roy as,

"The function of life is to live. The basic incentive of organic living is the struggle for survival. It goes on throughout the long process of biological evolution, until in man it becomes the conscious urge for freedom- the supreme human value" and he proceeds to declare that human struggle for freedom is eternal and man conquers environment by knowledge which is the result of this urge for freedom from the restrictions imposed on him. Man is moral because he is rational. Man's morality develops with the rationality.

Two important reflections of Roy on Democracy deserve attention.

1. His insistence on partyless politics. he argued that parties indulge in scramble for power and there are no means which will not be explored to achieve that end. To quote him,

"It is known from experience how, in an atmosphere of political backwardness and general ignorance, this system can be abused; how people of questionable character can occupy positions of public trust by virtue of belonging to particular party. A party gives priority and prominence to people not of moral integrity or intellectual merit, but those who can be of greatest help for it to capture power. the result is that parties often serve the purpose of promoting the ambition of individuals either thirsting for power for the sake of power or for material gain."

2. What is the alternative then?

This was discussed by Roy in his Dehradun study camp. He called it "revolution by consent or pursuasion". This revolution was not by armed insurrection. This revolution should include all sections of the society. This is to be achieved by people's committees in towns and villages as a means for securing relief and asserting rights. These committees will eventually grow into organs of decentralised power.

These ideas were published in book "New Orientation" published later.

Radical humanism brought him very close to gandhi. Both stood for decentralisation of political and economic power and both stood for partyless democracy to purify politics.

"Reason, Romanticism and Revolution" is a two volume edition which gives a wider theoretical background for his thinking.

Radical Humanism and M.N.Roy « Exploring to explain !
 

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Okay, just what I thought it would be. He is more in tune with the hippies (reminds me of John Lennon's "Imagine"). I would say that his philosophy is good on theory but disastrous in practice. His theory puts emphasis more on living life and is so generalised and lacking in fine print. Just my humble opinion.
 

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communism forever!, many counties more like communist than communism countries now.
 

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communism forever!, many counties more like communist than communism countries now.
Care to explain ??

Currently only 5 countries following communism. They are China, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam, and North Korea.

 

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Care to explain ??

Currently only 5 countries following communism. They are China, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam, and North Korea.

China and Vietnam are mixed economies, not communist countries, they depend on the capitalist west for investments.
 

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Click on Elections 2011 to see that CPUSA is allied with the Democratic Party.
 

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China is an apt example of authoritarian brutal true communist regime, the only difference the they have a mixed system out of compulsion to hold on to power - so that Hans do not go on chopping CCP's filthy heads due to poverty and hunger; nonetheless leaving US and EU investments China is truly a communist country with labor and slave camps!!
 

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i have a rage that Boils when i here the word coummunist I feel like Killing all of them THAT stupid theory made my state in to a cesspool of red bastards with No regard For tredition or culture communism is a kind of neo Fudelism i would rather be a slave of a land lord then to be a slave of a stupid one party Fudel system
 

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i have a rage that Boils when i here the word coummunist I feel like Killing all of them THAT stupid theory made my state in to a cesspool of red bastards with No regard For tredition or culture communism is a kind of neo Fudelism i would rather be a slave of a land lord then to be a slave of a stupid one party Fudel system
Kerala or Paschim Banga?? :troll:
 

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