What I hate about Communists

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Dont forget there is no communist state in the world, (never was). USSR, China etc were one step before the ultimate communist state and remained stuck in that. Communist society is a classless , stateless society and no countries have achieved to reach up to that level. USSR or China or someothers just could reach upto 'Dictatorship of working class'(in reality dictatorship of general secretaries). Marx thought it will lead to a stateless classless society but it never happened.

I believe true (ideal is a better word) form of society lies in between these two extreme forms- capitalism and communism- there should be incentives for induvidual quality or work but there should be check on unbounded accumulation.

I whole heartedly support communist view to religion and god,
True Communism is this, no Prime Minister, no Queen, no Dictator and absolutely no government. The people are in control. The people work as a group. To change the system, one would have to change the people. This can be simplified with Give what you have, take what you need and work as hard as you can..

The good side of Communism is mainly the ideology created by Karl and Engels, not the implementation by Lenin and Stalin. This is because what Lenin and Stalin achieved was NOT Communism; it was more like dictatorship.It was dictatorship now because of three things:

1. Because Stalin acted as a ruler, this automatically created a government.
2. The food rations where reduced for the population but not for Stalin, this is hardly a classless society.
3. And finally, in the original ideology of Communism, the poor should get richer, and the rich get poorer. Exactly the opposite of what was happening.
 

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Pakistan should become communist country because higher than himalayas and deeper than Indian ocean all weather friend china is! well atleast in name.

whatever they are following right now has clearly failed so might aswell give this a shot.
 

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True Communism is this, no Prime Minister, no Queen, no Dictator and absolutely no government. The people are in control. The people work as a group. To change the system, one would have to change the people. This can be simplified with Give what you have, take what you need and work as hard as you can..

The good side of Communism is mainly the ideology created by Karl and Engels, not the implementation by Lenin and Stalin. This is because what Lenin and Stalin achieved was NOT Communism; it was more like dictatorship.It was dictatorship now because of three things:

1. Because Stalin acted as a ruler, this automatically created a government.
2. The food rations where reduced for the population but not for Stalin, this is hardly a classless society.
3. And finally, in the original ideology of Communism, the poor should get richer, and the rich get poorer. Exactly the opposite of what was happening.
Did I say anything different?

Dont forget there is no communist state in the world, (never was). USSR, China etc were one step before the ultimate communist state and remained stuck in that. Communist society is a classless , stateless society and no countries have achieved to reach up to that level. USSR or China or someothers just could reach upto 'Dictatorship of working class'(in reality dictatorship of general secretaries). Marx thought it will lead to a stateless classless society but it never happened.
 

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Pakistan should become communist country because higher than himalayas and deeper than Indian ocean all weather friend china is! well atleast in name.

whatever they are following right now has clearly failed so might aswell give this a shot.
You seem very much obsessed with Pakistan as you bring Pakistan in every topic whether its relate to topic or not :p

You dont need to be sleepless because we got failed :D
 

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Sorry..I misunderstood....:D

BTW Raja... (As someone has already dragged Pakistan in it).....is ther communist parties in Pakistan? How strong they are? Do they practice non-religious attitude of the communists?
 

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You seem very much obsessed with Pakistan as you bring Pakistan in every topic whether its relate to topic or not :p

You dont need to be sleepless because we got failed :D
China didn't gave any Aid to Pakistan. Even in last flood, U.S. gave around 150 times more aid to Pakistan. Since 2002, the U.S. has send Pakistan about $11 billion in military aid and another $6 billion in economic aid.


Zaradri goes to Bejing to ask for help from Hu Jintao. and He says " No money, Our friendship is taller than mountains and deeper than ocean"

later on, when Zardari comes back. Hu Jintao says to his comrades " See. why to waste money when merely words are enough" :pound:
 

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Ultimate Capitalist state is as absurd as ultimate communit state. If we follow Smith's philosophy of free market (every thing to be ruled by demand and supply) we can not charge anyone who is hoarding grains during famine for extra profit. Even the socalled capitalists countries have borrowed some learnig from the communsit ideology so that situation dont lead to revolution.
 

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Sorry..I misunderstood....:D

BTW Raja... (As someone has already dragged Pakistan in it).....is ther communist parties in Pakistan? How strong they are? Do they practice non-religious attitude of the communists?
We have one mazdoor , kisaan party as far as my knowledge concern which itslef represent mazdoor, kisaan class they suppose to have classless name to represent communism :D

Communist Mazdoor Kissan Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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China didn't gave any Aid to Pakistan. Even in last flood, U.S. gave around 150 times more aid to Pakistan. Since 2002, the U.S. has send Pakistan about $11 billion in military aid and another $6 billion in economic aid.


Zaradri goes to Bejing to ask for help from Hu Jintao. and He says " No money, Our friendship is taller than mountains and deeper than ocean"

later on, when Zardari comes back. Hu Jintao says to his comrades " See. why to waste money when merely words are enough" :pound:
So how it relate to discussion of communism going on here. You guys never stop amusing me :D
 

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We have one mazdoor , kisaan party as far as my knowledge concern which itslef represent mazdoor, kisaan class they suppose to have classless name to represent communism :D

Communist Mazdoor Kissan Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
No, as per communist thinkers a socialist state (dicatorship of the proltariats) is the first step ....which lead to sateless-classless communist society. Unfortunately for them whoever got the power dont want to lose it............ :D
 

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Ultimate Capitalist state is as absurd as ultimate communit state. If we follow Smith's philosophy of free market (every thing to be ruled by demand and supply) we can not charge anyone who is hoarding grains during famine for extra profit. Even the socalled capitalists countries have borrowed some learnig from the communsit ideology so that situation dont lead to revolution.
I agree with that assessment.
 

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So how it relate to discussion of communism going on here. You guys never stop amusing me :D
Learnt from you guys. :D Earlier, I use to spent lots of time on Pak forum. actually i remember you. A guy with pic from U.K. :rofl:
 

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Elaborate.......:shocked:
Actually, He is Pakistani living in U.K., He uses his real photo in avatar on that forum. He is few members there who avoid trolls. He don't remember me as I use different ID there. :D
 

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Take the other stuff to chit chat and stay on topic here.
 

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