What I hate about Communists

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I say im a manchester united fan but wear a liverpool shirt during football games.

am i really a manchester united fan ?

according to karthic i am.
 

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Geelani is an Indian citizen but is he really an Indian in its true spirit ? No he a treacherous bastard.
 

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Oh this so sounds like Islam and Muslims being different argument peddled out these days.

An idealogy is judged by its followers. Its not the problem of those judging that the followers might have mis-interpreted the idealogy.
That a total wrong way to understand the post .

The ideal is good , just like islam is good but those who follow it only do to a level , they do not and cannot follow it beyond a limit, some follow it in a better way than others , while others just use it for their own good and still others misinterpret it , just like these terrorists and jihadis misinterpret islam it for their own good, and the mullas who are not terrorists yet only follow those which befits them and ignores other points.

Communism is a philosophy and philosophy is a way of life and no one person can say that he follows life's philosophy better then the one next to him
 

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Lenin didn't live long enough to show what he was capable of. He did set up the NKVD and liquidated several political prisoners in his brief time...
The NKVD was established in 1934 by Stalin.

Lenin founded the Cheka which was meant to suppress mainly the clergy, rich aristocrats, and Imperial servicemen (the last remaining supporters of the old regime).

If you know about the French Revolution, the Cheka functioned similarly to the Committee of Public Safety. As Robespierre said in 1794, "The government in a revolution is the despotism of liberty against tyranny."
 
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Gouge their eyes out with the sickle and smash their teeth with the hammer.
And the JNU pricks are vile Subhumans who should be sent to gas chambers, not the Ashekanazi Jews.
 

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GOD AND THE ISM

Communists since the middle of the 19th century have seen themselves as upholders of a materialist view of the world. The material conditions in which human beings live determine how they think and the ideas they advocate. Matter precedes the mind. This is how the young Karl Marx, in the 1840s, turned on their head the theories of his mentor, G.W.F. Hegel, who had seen history as the unfolding of the Idea. Marx declared in contrast that men make their own history through struggle under conditions that the past has created. One vital element in the making of those conditions was religion. Religion, Marx asserted, in a passage often torn out of context, in the past had been at the heart of man's existence: "It was the sigh of the oppressed and the oppressor." Religion had alienated man from his true potential and was thus the "opium of the masses". Marx was too good a student of human affairs to disregard religion. He saw it as something to be transcended, not as a point of departure but as a point of arrival.

The profundity of Marx's thoughts on this subject, as in many others, has been utterly distorted by his ardent disciples who practised communism. They saw religion as something to be destroyed and treated with contempt. Practitioners of communism thus saw themselves not only as dedicated atheists but also as being hostile to religion. In India, the net result of this was the creation of a gulf between the beliefs and practices of the common people and those of communists. Even members of communist parties, especially those who have jumped on the bandwagon of communism in Kerala and West Bengal and have little or no ideological commitment, have been unable to abandon their faith and their belief in god. This has created serious problems within the organization of communist parties. Witness the confusion within the Communist Party of India (Marxist). Following a controversy, the general secretary of the CPI(M), Prakash Karat, had to issue a "clarification" that there was no bar on believers in god joining the party but party functionaries should not believe in god and religion. This does not clarify anything. It only confirms the Orwellian principle that double standards are embedded in communist practice.

A deeper intellectual problem lurks behind this confusion. There is a deep-seated belief among communists that their ideology not only has answers to everything but it is also always right. Communists have made a method into an ideology. They are now unable to resolve the problem of religion which is of such critical importance to the lives of the poor whose cause communists seek to serve. No wonder Marx, towards the end of his life, announced, "Thank God I am not a communist."

The Telegraph - Calcutta (Kolkata) | Opinion | God and the ism
 

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like some body said in the beginning communism is a beautiful but impractical idea.

it will not work good in real world if you try to apply it as it is..basically because it denies private wealth and ownership or gains..with out the motivation of gaining something better than the other person around no body is gonna work. he will think if at the end of the day everybody is gonna paid same why should i work hard, why should i innovate, just hang around and get paid.
 

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like some body said in the beginning communism is a beautiful but impractical idea.

it will not work good in real world if you try to apply it as it is..basically because it denies private wealth and ownership or gains..with out the motivation of gaining something better than the other person around no body is gonna work. he will think if at the end of the day everybody is gonna paid same why should i work hard, why should i innovate, just hang around and get paid.
Thats because humans are inherently greedy, atleast the majority is. It is evolutionary aspect.
 

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I think Bhagat Singh was a true communist (perhaps the one and only)...
 

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very correct.

true communism has never existed in practice
Because capitalists never let it happen

Its strange that one one side of the world you have peoples who can afford everything free education, health, even got all luxuries and got plenty of resources in spare and one other side of the world you have peoples who cannot even afford food
 
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Because capitalists never let it happen
The Western world and free markets will never let a COMMUNIST country take the top spot it would mean free markets as a economic concept has failed. Communism is still thriving today in China. Try watching Youtube in China. Communist success in China comes from many things brushed under the table like Prison labor,slave labor, sweat shops etc.. all means cheaper labor than the west but not a communist victory. Communist China being a economic power is the worst thing for free markets and the world as a whole. Even with all the economic success China claims no one will ever mistake it for a democratic country.
 

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That a total wrong way to understand the post .

The ideal is good , just like islam is good but those who follow it only do to a level , they do not and cannot follow it beyond a limit, some follow it in a better way than others , while others just use it for their own good and still others misinterpret it
I don't think its right to compare a religious ideologies with economic ideology. What it mean to be a communist without communism or if communist is living in a country where capitalism is in practice?

You say communism is a philosophy and is a way of life while i think its classless, moneyless, stateless socialist sociey based on common ownership of the means of production. How can you be communist in non communist society?
 

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Over the centuries political thinkers and philosophers are pondering about the ideal society or ideal form of state. It is a process and we should not be rigid on anything. The greatest problem of the Indian communists (in other countries as well) or any other political group is that they all are very rigid on their ideology. There are defects in capitalism; it certainly leads to accumulation in few hands; it certainly builds the bubble which keeps on bursting overtimes. On the other hand; the idea of communism seems hard to put in practice. It is more suitable for hunanoid robots not humans. Our experience says (as MN Roy, one of the greatest political thinkers in India has put it) the dictatorship of working class is actually dictatorship of the party more precisely the core leaders of the party. Dont forget there is no communist state in the world, (never was). USSR, China etc were one step before the ultimate communist state and remained stuck in that. Communist society is a classless , stateless society and no countries have achieved to reach up to that level. USSR or China or someothers just could reach upto 'Dictatorship of working class'(in reality dictatorship of general secretaries). Marx thought it will lead to a stateless classless society but it never happened.

I believe true (ideal is a better word) form of society lies in between these two extreme forms- capitalism and communism- there should be incentives for induvidual quality or work but there should be check on unbounded accumulation.

I whole heartedly support communist view to religion and god,

One more thing , we just cant rubbish the achievemnt of USSR or China. If you compere with Western countries they may look back ward, but when you compare with what was Russia in 1919 or China in 1949; you have to accept they have done extremely well. Had USSR not wasted its resource in competition with the West especially USA; it could be thriving like China with moderation of its policies.
 
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