What do you do with a problem like Pakistan?

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  1. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    What do you do with a problem like Pakistan?
     
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    dissect it...........:confused::
     
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    For a start we( the world community )can just learn to ACCEPT things in a clear manner.

    Take pakistan into confidence and impress upon them the need to accept the truth and not run away from it.Build a concensus on opinions then we can move forward on this .
     
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    Frankly only two countries have some influence, China and the Saudi Arabia. However I think that they also have limited influence. The solution has to come out within Pakistan. The population has to understand that they have become untouchables in the world community and are on the way to become another N.Korea.
    The options lie within and not outside.
     
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  6. Ray

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    The writer is a retired army officer who served in Fata and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa [email protected]

    This eventful May has left the nation bewildered, demoralised and confused. First, the Abbottabad incident left serious doubts about the capabilities of our armed forces to defend the borders. The second incident at PNS Mehran base revealed astonishing flaws in the security of key installations of our armed forces. That six (the navy says there were more) militants can infiltrate a supposedly secure naval airbase with ease, destroying aircraft at will and hold their position against hundreds of soldiers for 16 hours was something the nation could not digest. Materially, it was the costliest terror attack so far, but the psychological cost or the damage to the morale of the nation cannot be measured in material terms.

    As far as the Abbottabad raid is concerned, an in-camera briefing was arranged for members of the parliament, of which certain details have trickled down to the masses. Apparently, it seems that the politicians are satisfied that they got answers to their questions. However, the nation still remains in the dark about the events and whatever they have heard, from one source or the other, is not enough. The media, in absence of concrete information from authentic sources, has resorted to panel discussions with retired military personnel known as ‘defence analysts’. These analysts, although able to give a general insight into the workings of the forces, are normally without adequate knowledge of the event they are discussing.

    So far, whatever information was given to us was devoid of truth. It is time for the government and the ISPR to take the nation into confidence on both events, as well as on the war on terror. Share the problems the government is facing and people will understand. The nation must be told that our army is not equipped to fight American technology and that we try to keep the balance of power with India only at a great cost. It’s time to make people realise that even though we have the nuclear weapons, we are way behind in other fields. The nation must be taken into confidence about drone attacks as well. If they are beneficial, people should hear it from the prime minister or army chief, and not through WikiLeaks.

    Additonally, it is time to act upon Article 256 of the Constitution of Pakistan, which prohibits the formation of armed militant organisations. If it was government policy to form such organisations in the past, it has proved counterproductive. Leaders of such organisations should be engaged in talks and should voluntarily disband them. Otherwise, force should be used to finish this menace once for all.

    Lastly, the nation must be told that we are the poorest of the poor countries. We are a resource-starved country. We call ourselves an agricultural country, yet we do not have water. Pakistan was born poor.

    It is time to come down to earth.

    Time to come down to earth – The Express Tribune
     
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    I wonder if they will accept home truths.

    Heard Mian Musharraf today?
     
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    Gen. Musharraf has become a politician without a party or base and sitting in london he can crap as much as he wants and the only people who are interested in him are the Indian media.
     
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    You forgot the USA.

    The USA is still Pakistan's primary sponsor, and they still hold the most diplomatic/economic/military influence in the region.
     
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    KSA, China and Yanks dont have effective control over pakistan. there are many groups of people inside pakistan (civil govt, isi and pak army) who are divided over whom to consider their master, or for the matter of fact Big Daddy!

    pakistan of today has become a sleeping partner, and is ready to sleep with anyone for a few dollars more!

    the civillian govts in pakistan have been least effective and powerless since 1947, and its the army who calls the shot. but these days its the isi that runs the country.

    the islamisation of the army/isi is so deep rooted that they have crossed the point of no return.

    the breakup of pakistan into four smaller states would see the headache of the world disappear. its a requirement of the time!
     
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    More than any Indian efforts, the US invasion of Afghanistan and prosecution of the war on terror inside Pakistan did more to cripple the Pakistani anti-India infrastructure which was largely based on proxy terror groups. Now these groups are tied up in Afghanistan and Pakistan busy hiding from the Americans or retaliating against the Pakistani military and civilian government who are viewed with deep resentment, aside from the fact that they have been effectively robbed of an incubating territory in Afghanistan with the removal of the Taliban.
     
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    Pakistan is becoming a new Afghanistan like battle ground, with Yanks and Chinese trying their best to control things with pak civil and army/isi.

    KSA taking a back seat these days, becoming a haven when some leader goes into exile!
     
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    Well some interesting points but I completely disagree with this
    Stop denying one of the fundamental truths of our relationship with Pakistan – the problem we face today is created more by our “inactions” of last 60 years, than the “actions” of Pakistan. We have allowed this pinprick of a state to become a festering gangrenous wound and our great power dreams are not going to materialize anytime soon, if we cannot tackle this problem called “Pakistan”!

    No one sat back for the past 60 years. Otherwise you wouldn't have Bangladesh. And lets not forget that Pakistan was a cold war ally of the US, the only remaining superpower in the world. Infact, one of the main reasons that we ended up having the 65 war was because the Pakistanis were high on the latest military tech. AND training - Patton tanks e.t.c. Apart from being members of CENTO and SEATO. Arguably, if Pakistan did NOT have a superpower patron in the US, it would have been less aggressive and more amenable to good relations. American patronage and their hostile attitude towards India played a much larger role including allowing Pakistan to build its nukes in the 80s when the US could have stopped it early on.

    I think 2011-2014 is a once in lifetime window of opportunity to really establish an arrangement with Pakistan with some core issues especially Kashmir and terrorism. Probably one of the reasons we have a large number of meetings this year with a possible state level visit post June.

    As far as countries that have influence on Pakistan or more specifically the PA/ISI; it would still be US, China, Saudis/UAE in that order. The fact is that without US support, Pakistani economy would tank in days. The other point is India also has enormous influence with Pakistan, but in a negative sort of way. Its a matter of how to use this influence to our advantage.
     
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    i have again and again said that we should break off every kind of political, sports, business etc contact with pakistan and make pakistan suffer and bring it down to its ankles, rather than its knees!

    imagine if we were in place of pakistan and pakistan was in place of india! would they have not used water treaty against us, would they have allowed over head flight rights to us, would they have allowed the train/bus to run?

    would they have not taken military action when attack on parliament happened?
    would they have not taken military action when 26/11 happened?

    we are too soft to take care of pakistan! PERIOD! (though we have all the rights and possible scenarios)!
     
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    I'll send the elite Commando leader -

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    He'll make all the terrorist and people of Pakistan to realize their faults and turn into good people.​


    :becky::becky::becky::becky::becky::becky:
     
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    Simple

    Give peace a chance, destroy pakistan



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    I like the humour!

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    Though I completely agree we are too soft on Pakistan, we need to convince supporters of Pak to give up aid to a rouge terrorist state.

    Unfortunately, I still see the rest of the middle east supporting Pakistan because they are a muslim nation, and China supporting Pakistan because they are China.
     
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    The daily bombings is taking the toll on Pakistanis on religious justification they took resort to.

    The ease with which the US carried out the raid right into Pakistan killing OBL shocked them beyond reason. Some still believed it to be a hoax.

    Then came the raid in quick succession on the Pakistan Naval Base destroying their prized aircraft from the US. It shattered any little confidence the Pakistanis may still have had. Very few radical thoughts can be heard. They have reduced to squeaks of cornered mouse by pragmatist Pakistanis.

    As Harsh Pant says A government unable to control large parts of its territory, a military in disarray, fears of loss of control over nuclear assets, radical Islamists intent on acquiring weapons of mass destruction — these are the stuff of nightmares.

    Pakistanis have realised that religion itself churn the machinery of governance and provide the security essential for a good night's sleep and going though their daily rote.
     
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    As Harsh Pant says A government unable to control large parts of its territory, a military in disarray, fears of loss of control over nuclear assets, radical Islamists intent on acquiring weapons of mass destruction — these are the stuff of nightmares.

    Failed State!
     
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    at least take away the nukes from them,world will be a more safer place without paki nukes aka al quida and laskar nuke.
     
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