'We were pounded, the Chinese ratted us out' - Kargil Revelation

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  1. Rage

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    Revelations from the Kargil War- Najam Sethi

    A discussion based on the facts that Mr. Sethi, who is an authoritative historian, brings out that directly contravene the conventional (Pakistani) wisdom, that says Kargil was solved because of Indian political maneuvering. Please watch the videos. The Indians had the Pakistanis in full military-rout at the time a political solution was achieved, and only because Nawaz Sharif desired it so.

    Also interesting revelations on a possible Chinese overturn of their traditional confederate-relationship with Pakistan.





     
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    I wish he does his program in English so that we can quote him easily for others.
     
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    There is another video of an account where an ex army officer has categorically stated that it was Musharraf during a briefing in July begged Nawaz Sharif to find way out from this misery by asking Americans to intervene. The only mistake Nawaz Sharif did was not embarking Musharraf on the plane to USA with him.
     
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    Pak lost 2,700 troops during Kargil conflict: Nawaz Sharif - World - DNA


    There were no luxury of options for PA, What was done was logical other than that was foolish move..
     
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    All of you know that Pakistan has adopted a heuristic approach with India and they need only 1 time to succeed while we need to win each time for survival.
     
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    I am sure this is NOT what they are teaching little Pakis in school. 10 years down the line we will have Pakis who will troll on DFI saying they won.

    BTW my personal opinion is that Nawaz is as much a crook as everybody else. He just acts a saint when he is not.
     
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    What is surprising is the fact that official Pakistani figures were 453 soldiers killed and 527 Indian Soldiers killed. Now if you look at the war, where they occupied high ground with defensive position, also the fact that place and place of war was chosen by Pakistan and they were planning it for long time, including purchase of warm cloths and supplies for war, taking into consideration all this our casualties should be very very high. This fact clearly shows that our soldiers fought very bravely and performed beyond their ability in very adverse condition and we won the war.
     
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    :hmm: .. I wouldn't be so optimistic
     
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    You ' WIN ' only when you archive your objectives..

    I dont see PA archive any but casualties, loss after loss, that is called defeat..
     
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    Did IA intel pick up on that indicator of cold weather gear purchase by PA?
     
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    Nope, they were sleeping. Heck, IA intel didn't even pick up the fact that Pakistani soldiers were sitting on Indian territory until Indian soldiers went up the mountains in the summer and saw Pakistanis occupying their posts!
     
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    This did happen, but during the Siachen race.
     
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    Trenches did not have covers? What is that supposed to mean?
     
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    peak 5353? India? Highest and more strategic

    well Indeed kargil was a blunder
    being pakistani they should have achieved the target by any mean even using nukes when they started it

    and higher number of death toll was only shown to the world
    Otherwise as MUSHARaf said pak army death toll was only 379soldier

    even this number was high Considering the army they were fighting are Indian by origin
     
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    The highest peak in India is Mt. Godwin-Austin.

    The question is whether you believe in Musharraf's magically small number 379.

    140 odd bunkers, high up in the inhospitable terrain, were occupied, that too in the winter. I would assume it took several thousand trained people to organize this entire programme, and all that followed.
     
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    point 5353 is the highest and more strategic and under PA

    those high numbers were only to beef up the international pressure

    more kargil were planned but PA got busy fighting the talibans.t0
     
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    AFAIK the point 5353 was on point of LOC and it should have been taken... The major casualty PA had taken when it was retreating and WE went on shelling on the retreating PA army that created a major confusion & death.

    I do not think PA wil attempt another Kargil... The cost will be too much to handle...
     
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