We salute Pak fight against terror: Israel

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  1. ejazr

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    We salute Pak fight against terror: Israel | Pakistan | News | Newspaper | Daily | English | Online

    NEW YORK - Pakistan’s elected government has not followed up on the contacts established by former President Pervez Musharraf’s govt with the Jewish State, a senior Israel diplomat said on Thursday. ‘Sadly, none’, was how Mark Sofer, Israel‘s Ambassador to India, reacted
    when asked whether any contacts had taken place since Musharraf’s ouster. Foreign Ministers of Pakistan and Israel met in Istanbul in 2005 and Musharraf addressed a prominent Jewish organisation in New York the following year. Ambassador Sofer also said Pakistan could benefit a lot, especially in agriculture field, by establishing normal diplomatic relations with Israel.
    ‘Israel was ready to share its vast experience in the agricultural field with Pakistan and provide the technology Israeli engineers have developed to modernise agriculture and boost food production after two countries have normalised their relations’, he said. The news briefing was arranged by the US-based ‘The Israel Project’, a non-governmental organisation with offices in the US and Israel, that works to improve Israel’s image. It was the first time that US-based Pakistani journalists were invited to an Israeli event. Sofer, who was responding to questions after dwelling on the ‘burgeoning’ Indo-Israeli relationship, especially talked about ‘drip-technology’, an irrigation method which saves water and fertiliser by allowing water to drip slowly to the roots of plants, either onto the soil surface or directly onto the root zone, through a network of valves, pipes, tubing, and emitters. Several countries, including India, he said, were using this modern method of irrigation with dramatic results: huge benefits to the farmers and help the countries achieve self-sufficiency in food.

    With water scarce and food prices rapidly going up, he said the drip irrigation system could help Pakistan enormously in bringing prosperity to its rural population and achieve food security.
    The Israeli envoy said he could not understand why Pakistan doesn’t establish diplomatic ties with Israel when it maintains an Embassy in India, with which it has had ‘most difficult relations’, noting that Pakistan maintains relations with all countries, except Israel. We have relations with many Islamic countries, including Arab nations, so what’s the problem, he added.
    In addition, there was no issue or conflict between Pakistan and Israel, he said, adding, there was no animosity in Israel towards Pakistan. Unlike the tirade against Israel in a section of the Pakistani Press, the Israeli Press doesn’t indulge in that of mud-slinging against Pakistan, he said. ‘We have goodwill for the people of Pakistan’, Sofer said. ‘We salute and wish Pakistan’s success in combating extremists’, he said.‘Why is there no dialogue between Israel and Pakistan. Dialogue process could help remove many understandings between the two countries’.
     
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    No ill will against Pakistan, says Israeli diplomat

    NEW YORK: Israel has shared its expertise with India in agriculture and water management and its relations with India have gone into a new orbit in nine years since 1992 when India established diplomatic relations with Israel.

    Pakistan too can benefit from Israel’s expertise in agriculture, water management and many other areas to boost its economy. The ball is in Pakistan’s court, Israeli ambassador to India, Mark Sofer, told The News in a formal interview here after his hour-long off-the-record briefing to a select group of eight Indian, Pakistani and American journalists in New York. When asked about the Mossad agents actively engaged in Occupied Kashmir against Pakistan, the Israeli ambassador rejected such reports.

    “The kind of articles we read in certain Pakistani Press from time to time is utter non-sense, unadulterated rubbish. There is no such activity. We have no will for such activity. We have no ill will whatsoever against Pakistani people. We hope that the Pakistani government will crack down hard against those, who enter India and kill our Jewish and Israeli people as well (as it happened in Mumbai). I insist on that; but it does not mean that we are working with the Indians or any one else against Pakistan. We have no animosity against Pakistan.” He made it clear that his country’s close relations with India are not directed against any third country. “Yes we are against terrorism and we want an end to terrorism. But we harbour no hostility against Pakistan.”

    He also referred to some Muslim countries, which have recognised Israel and have established diplomatic relations wit Tel Aviv. “Many Muslim countries in Central Asia, Africa, even in the Middle-east and other regions have diplomatic relations with Israel.

    The ball is in Pakistan’s court. The day Pakistan says it wants closer relations with Israel we will be ready to respond. Our close relationship with India is a fact and it is on the table. We will not compromise this relationship for anyone else. These relations are not aimed against any third country.” He was reminded of the gestures made during the rule of Pervez Musharraf, who addressed the dinner hosted by the American Jewish Congress in New York and also quietly invited some American Jewish leaders to Islamabad while his foreign minister met his Israeli counterpart in Turkey.

    The Israeli diplomat said meetings and gestures cannot be taken as friendliness. “We are not saying Pakistan is killing Jews. We harbour no hostility towards Pakistan. It is Pakistan and the Pakistani media which is anti-Israel. So, the ball is in Pakistan’s court.” He refused to talk on the issue of some Pakistani leaders meeting Israelis privately and also avoided discussing Musharrf’s ‘friendly’ gestures. Musharaf had once commented, “We (Pakistanis) should not be more Palestinians than the Palestinians themselves.”

    He was also asked about Israeli designs against Pakistan’s nuclear programme as a common objective of India and Israel. Ambassador Mark Foser categorically denied any such covert Israeli plan against Pakistani nuclear installations. “Israel is not a fly-by-night state. We look at issues in terms of reality and moderation,” he added.
     
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    Are Israelis taking a bloody piss?
     
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    Looks like we should not completely back on Israel for everything.
     
  6. venkat

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    denial of EL/M 2052 AESA to India and now this????
     
  7. The Messiah

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    isreal is our brother is arms NOT.
     
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    Oh come on ... they are another religion-based country. They are trying to woo Pakistan because Pakistan is the only Islamic nation with Nukes. If they have "friendly relations" to Israel, they might not be nuked in a future Arab-Israel war.
     
  9. ZOOM

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    I highly doubt whatever written above regarding supposed Isreali-Pak backdoor relationship, ofcourse Isreal can have a peaceful intentions with Pak but not to the extent of appreciating their deeds on their fight against terror.
     
  10. LETHALFORCE

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    We don't we have good relations with Iran,Egypt,Syria and Palestinians.
     
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    guess Israel is really pissed after are grand statement by President in Syria which was absolutely uncalled for and unnecessary....and as history judges Israel hits back...
     
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    we are still developing BARAK-8
     
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    I think we do have very thriving relations with all this countries despite some religious differences. This are some of the countries who actively supported India to be a part of league of Muslim Nation, but Pak derailed that by backing off its support. In fact till 1992, India wasn't recognizing Isreal as a nation.
     
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    now with much improved ties with Saudi Arabai even this may change??
     
  15. Phenom

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    I have read somewhere that there are only two nations that are formed on the basis of religion, one is Israel and the other is Pakistan. In some ways Israel and Pakistan do have a lot in common.

    Ofcourse they are never going to have good relationship with each other. The public opinion in Pakistan would make sure of that.
     
  16. LETHALFORCE

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    strangely they are #1 and #2 US aid recepients.
     
  17. maomao

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    Very true, however, majority of Israelis are Secular in nature not religious Bigots such as "pure pious" people from pakistan!!

    Israel has used American AID in a judicious manner to become an economic and technological giant unlike Bankrupt and imploding "fort of islam"!

    Israel has never lost any major conflict unlike pakistan losing every war, moreover pious/pure people could never achieve their objectives!

    Israel has not lost an Inch of its land unlike pakistan losing half of its country to their own co-religionists!

    Israel maintains peace with majority of its neighbor and does not create problems for them unlike notorious/rogue pakistan!

    Israel is not "epitome of terrorism" unlike terroriststan aka pakistan!

    Israel is in no way a failed state, whereas pakistan will soon beat Somalia to reach the Top!

    Israeli teach modern education and are considered to be intellectually superior in their region, unlike pakistanis who are indoctrinated from their childhood - Delusional Islamic mumbo Jumbo subject called " pakistan studies" is one such example!

    Israel has 20-25% Minority (muslim) population, who are happy and would never leave Israel or migrate to any muslim or Christian country, as they have very high standards of living there in Israel. Further, we all know about the condition of minorities in Bankrupt beggar failed state Islamic pakistan, it's not worth mentioning!
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    List Goes on and on!

    Bottom line is Israelis as people are modern and secular, and pakistanis are demented islamic bigots living life of hatred, denial and delusional grandeur, trying to be something which they are certainly not i.e. champion of Islam and superior to Arabs, they will aways remain conquered coward converts, however they may teach their awam that they ruled the world or they are destined to or whatever citation they may come up from some obscure hadith or whatever......!!


    P.S: No land is bad. Land anywhere will provide for its dweller, however, we should judge a country by its inhabitants and their ideology, and Isralies fare zillion times better than beggar ass shameless bigoted pakistanis, these news articles mean nothing, contribution of Israel in securing India is plutonic and it should never be questioned. Just visit IB HQ Ground floor in Delhi, you will get your answer, people lets not be thankless like pakistanis!!
     
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    With due respect I disagree with the posts which infers that Israel is doing any bad to India. We have best ties with Russia and even then we have good defence ties with USA as well. Same can be said for Israel as well. They have good relations with India and now trying to improve relations with pakistan and that can be very well understood as Israel is a tiny land and it is for their benefit that they must not have bad relations with any nuclear power.

    On the other note I think given the nature of pakistani people and sentiments involved, Israel-pakistan ties seems a distinct dream.
     
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    Comparison between India and USA is different, we both have a common interest China and the day this interest is over the good relation graph will enter the falling edge region.
    If Israel is wanting to have good ties with Pakistan then India must watch out before opening all cards in front of Israel.
     
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    Brilliant comment and move by Israel.
     
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    Actually I was not comparing on the basis of interest. What I intended to say is we have good relations with Russia and USA at same time and Russia doent seem to be upset with our relations with USA. We must accept the same.

    I agree with the second line.
     

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