We may have hit peak "Momentum"

Discussion in 'Foreign Relations' started by Rowdy, Oct 2, 2015.

  1. Rowdy

    Rowdy Co ja kurwa czytam! Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2014
    Messages:
    3,256
    Likes Received:
    2,959
    Location:
    Milky Bar
    So Modi has ignored Pak and Pak is crying. Crying and begging to the Abyss that is.
    Now my question is Has the govt's Policy Gained Peak Momentum which means that from now on Pak can be more OVERTLY ignored. I think YES. reasons:
    a) Ufa stament and debacle added to Indian diplomatic "currency"
    b) Modi has got partners in place in EU/ME/US etc.
    c) Eco is picking up
    AND THE BIGGEST REASON
    d) Presstitutes are crying that Modi should consider the so called 4 pt agenda of NS and india will lose face if it does not (WHICH MEANS TRUTH IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE) e.g.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.in/2015/10/01/nawaz-sharif_n_8225782.html
    http://www.newindianexpress.com/nat...Peace-Says-Omar/2015/09/30/article3055632.ece
    http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/th...4-point-peace-proposal-is-it-realistic/385178

    THE ONLY REASON WE SHOULD CARE IS $$$ FROM FOREIGNERS.
    @Sakal Gharelu Ustad @Mad Indian @roma @DingDong etc etc
     
    VIP, hit&run, OneGrimPilgrim and 2 others like this.
  2.  
  3. Sakal Gharelu Ustad

    Sakal Gharelu Ustad Detests Jholawalas Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2012
    Messages:
    6,678
    Likes Received:
    6,658
    Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
     
  4. Mad Indian

    Mad Indian Proud Bigot Veteran Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2012
    Messages:
    12,830
    Likes Received:
    7,522
    Location:
    Podigai Hills.
    Whenever porkis and media are in agreement, good rule of thumb is to do the exact opposite of what they are suggesting
     
    VIP, Sameet2, Neil and 4 others like this.
  5. A chauhan

    A chauhan "अहिंसा परमो धर्मः धर्म हिंसा तथैव च: l" Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2009
    Messages:
    4,927
    Likes Received:
    4,561
    Location:
    Raipur
    I think Yes, Modi has played well, Pakistan has become more or less irrelevant. What surprises me is that Modi has followers even in the PoK ! Lol!
     
  6. Varahamihira

    Varahamihira Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2015
    Messages:
    242
    Likes Received:
    248
    Generally Indian MSM don't report on PoK.But before UNGA news came out of nowhere on atrocities in PoK by Pak.Pigeon's hand it seems.

    Yes time has come to ignore Pak big way and concentrate on China and US.Pak can't handle ignoring of them by India and would make a big mistake and Modiji is waiting for it.
     
  7. Rowdy

    Rowdy Co ja kurwa czytam! Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2014
    Messages:
    3,256
    Likes Received:
    2,959
    Location:
    Milky Bar
    Please don't just write Yes ... suggest what other things that can be/should be done... Bilaterally and With others.
    I think:
    a) More Dialogue with CHina & Japan.
    b) More Intense Act East.
    I awaite a big announcement with Merkel.
     
  8. DingDong

    DingDong Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2014
    Messages:
    2,227
    Likes Received:
    3,664
    Location:
    Delhi
    Total silence of the big powers over India and Pakistan issue is deafening. Either we are reading too little (tip of the iceberg, some deal on Afghanistan, Balochistan, Iran) or too much (foreign powers have got more pressing issues to respond to e.g. ISIL).

    I have another theory to present: Through well orchestrated demonstration of mass support by the Overseas Indians and NRIs, Modi has been able to impress upon the foreign politicians that not only is he running a full-majority government, he also enjoys massive support from the Indians at home and abroad. Hence when he talks, he talks with great authority vested in him by one of the most powerful nations in the world.

    One of the major successes of the current government has been blunting of Pakistan's Nuclear blackmail. Seems like the current government has adopted a "middle finger" attitude towards the Islamic Bomb, which has taken several self-appointed experts even in India by complete surprise and many don't know how to react.

    Practice of gradual escalation by the Indian side has taken the Pakistan security establishment by complete surprise. Not only did the Indian border guards strongly responded to Pakistani firing from across the border along the LOC, we gradually escalated the situation along the IB.

    The current government walks the talk and clearly understands that only the powerful is respected. Soft power is effective only if it is supported by firepower and strong intent. We are ready to join the big guys' club.
     
  9. tarunraju

    tarunraju Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2009
    Messages:
    5,316
    Likes Received:
    3,888
    Location:
    Hyderabad
    We have put Pakistan (more specifically, PA-ISI) into a diplomatic ditch that it can't craw out of, not using those same diplomatic means. But the last time we pulled something like this off was when Atal took the bus to Lahore.

    Pakistan dug its way out by waging Kargil.

    War has a way of resetting the diplomatic chessboard between two counties, when one side has a very strong hand. The result of the war is of little consequence. In the eyes of neutral states, it creates a flux on the circumstances and results of that war.

    But I agree, India couldn't have asked for a better position on Pakistan. Everyone with half a brain about Pakistan (eg: Tarek Fatah, C.C. Fair) would suggest the same move we've made (to not talk with Pakistan until terrorism is debeaked).
     
  10. vayuu1

    vayuu1 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2015
    Messages:
    384
    Likes Received:
    372
    No we haven't even gained the speed forget about sustaining it, still a lot to be done, the stronger the economy becomes the stronger the better.
     
  11. vayuu1

    vayuu1 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2015
    Messages:
    384
    Likes Received:
    372
    That's what we need to do with few neighbours as well.
     
  12. Rowdy

    Rowdy Co ja kurwa czytam! Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2014
    Messages:
    3,256
    Likes Received:
    2,959
    Location:
    Milky Bar
    This was about momentum in foreign affairs in a purely tactical (short term) kind of way
     
  13. vayuu1

    vayuu1 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2015
    Messages:
    384
    Likes Received:
    372
    Even then no, what is happening in Nepal is an example, tactical would be, not only to send a strong message to anti india elements in Nepal but by eliminating them and plan a uprising against communists in china,which not only overthrows them but also lay a foundation for democracy in china.
     
  14. Nicky G

    Nicky G Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2014
    Messages:
    1,377
    Likes Received:
    1,225
    Location:
    NA
    An interesting, though not overtly significant development was Sushma replying to Sharif, as in the PM of Pak is not even wroth being responded to by the Indian PM, only MEA, if that. I just found that amusing.

    Momentum implies you carry it forward - friction aside, it seems fine at this stage but we all know there are events such as a terror attack or w war that could change the situation entirely. Hopefully, our establishment has prepared accordingly.

    The little spark that was lit with our media covering PoK must be followed all the way and we must actively ferment trouble there. Pakis have altered the demographics of PoK by floding it with Punjabis, I have no clue why India has not done the same.

    What happened to relocating the Kashmiri Pandits back? If we don't follow u with actions on the ground, no amount of diplomatic boxing in is going ot make any lasting impact.

    Baloch can wait, we must take Kashmir seriously now on both sides of the border. It would be yet another wasted opportunity if we do not.
     
  15. saty

    saty Tihar Jail Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2015
    Messages:
    1,112
    Likes Received:
    1,296
    Porkis and we never ever had a relations except Money hungry Cricket,TRP hungry Media &Bollywood connections.These 3 crooks are more or less dependent on sissy fights between Porkistan Vs India Ckt matches, Muzzie khans,bhatts&porki import Bollywood connections and finally TRP hungry Media.

    Cricket ties are cut down by MMS. Only best thing done by MMS in his entire tenure.
    Sickuar wood celebs and News Media thrashed by social media 24/7.


    So finally We can proudly say century belongs to Chi-Ind. F** Porkistan and their supporters,Por-Afg will bang each other:lol::lol:
     
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2015
    OneGrimPilgrim and Rowdy like this.
  16. Varahamihira

    Varahamihira Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2015
    Messages:
    242
    Likes Received:
    248
    Always be on your toes on these two chaps.Never trust them always be suspect of them.
    The first one distorts Messengers history and the other was in awe of Pak in yesteryears when we were screaming about terrorism but now jumped the ship towards India.
     
  17. Rowdy

    Rowdy Co ja kurwa czytam! Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2014
    Messages:
    3,256
    Likes Received:
    2,959
    Location:
    Milky Bar
    Yeah C. C. F. likes certain "secular" far right elements in India.

    Tarek wanted India to take in the Burmese Rohingyas
     
  18. OneGrimPilgrim

    OneGrimPilgrim Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2015
    Messages:
    3,345
    Likes Received:
    3,419
    Location:
    whr invaders hv been eulogised, heroes binned!!
    albeit, IndiaTV had reported in quite some details about it some months back.
     
  19. saty

    saty Tihar Jail Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2015
    Messages:
    1,112
    Likes Received:
    1,296

    Porkistan-Jihadis&co & Dharmic-Eastern civilization(ASEAN) are always enemies and will be.

    China&India govt are competitors and enemies we can't change it but CHINESE&INDIANS/Hindus can form a good cultural or people to people relations as two great civilizations we can understand each-other.

    1.Already mentioned kick-out Khans&bhatts and use same bolly/media to make cultural relationship with Chinese.Chinese likes Indian cinema&entertainment media

    2.Student exchange prog or educational relations(Nalanda).

    3.MOST IMPORTANT REVIVE BUDDHISM & Buddha circuits.India from the last 2000 years exported Hindu culture in the form of Buddhism to all Asian countries.Now its time to Revive BUDDHISM in India and attract tourists and imminent personalities they will do rest of work.You simply sit-down and enjoy the show

    It is win-win for both and Starting point of Western decline or Easten rise.:)
     
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2015
  20. A chauhan

    A chauhan "अहिंसा परमो धर्मः धर्म हिंसा तथैव च: l" Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2009
    Messages:
    4,927
    Likes Received:
    4,561
    Location:
    Raipur
    Pakistan's Kashmir card losing sting as Mohajirs, Baloch raise azadi cry in US

    Oct 9, 2015,

    WASHINGTON: While all eyes were on the fireworks between Pakistan and India inside the United Nations last week, demonstrations by a large group of Mohajirs against the Pakistani establishment - largely unnoticed by a media focused on what was happening within the UN - is revealing the new fault lines in a country that has long believed it can unfasten Jammu & Kashmir from the Indian union.

    Videos of the protest demonstrations are only now appearing in the social media, causing consternation in Pakistan, where talk show hosts are aghast that a country that is trying to put Kashmir on the negotiating table with India is having trouble with a section of its own people who were primarily responsible for the formation of Pakistan. Mohajir is a term used for Muslim refugees from India who migrated to Pakistan after seeking a separate homeland.


    ''Shocking...completely shocking. I have no words for this,'' exclaimed Marvi Memon, a ruling party lawmaker in Pakistan after watching clips of the protests outside UN. ''Azadi has been attained in 1947. If they have issues they should negotiate with the Government of Pakistan...the blood of every Pakistani will be boiling at this.''

    Videos of the demonstrations show hundreds of protesters chanting ''Azadi'' (freedom), which is the rallying cry for some separatist Kashmiris in J&K. The US wing of the Pakistan's mainstream Mohajir Quami Movement, which organized the demonstrations, openly acknowledged its role and the rallying cry in a statement, saying, ''While Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was addressing the United Nation General Assembly, raising the Kashmir issues and atrocities of Indian state in Kashmir, MQM USA chapter was protesting against state terrorism on 50 million Mohajirs in Pakistan.''

    ''Fifty million Mohajirs and their representative political party are being labeled as Indian and RAW agents in Pakistan by country's ruling elite. Pakistan's judicial system has failed to provide any justice or relief to Muhajirs and that's why we had no option but to raise our voice against injustice in front of United Nations,'' said Mohammed Arshad Hussain, described as the joint organizer of the protest.... full story :-
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...aise-azadi-cry-in-US/articleshow/49279805.cms

    :pound::pound::brahmos:
     
  21. OneGrimPilgrim

    OneGrimPilgrim Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2015
    Messages:
    3,345
    Likes Received:
    3,419
    Location:
    whr invaders hv been eulogised, heroes binned!!
    maza aaya!................

    Sent from my P9070 using Tapatalk
     
    A chauhan likes this.

Share This Page