Was the British Raj beneficial for India?

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  1. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    It is time genuine historians do an honest appraisal of our history so that they cobwebs are cleared and the reality, without acrimony or jingoistic fudging on both sides, is known
     
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    Food for thought and heart searching.
     
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    One relatively small book named "The great Hedge of India" by a britisher Roy Moxham sums up how beneficial the british raj was to India.
     
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    OH you bet its right sir !, the country which had control over 1/3rd of the worlds economy (at that time our GDP was around 25 pc) was reduced to a mere 2 pc, very good for India, isnt it ?, Indian farmers were forced to farm tobacco and indigo (instead of food crops), indigo and tobacco turns your land barren no doubt we used to have famines and food shortages (thanks to british raj), apart from the slavery many Indians were deported to work in West Indies and other nations (now why doesn't a sane Britisher calls it a gross violation of human rights?), Now many Dumb shit anglophiles will say that they gave India a railway....but they wont tell you why they were built for, these railways were built to speed the movement of troops and ammunition in another case of riot like 1857. ever heard of Dogs and Indians not allowed (they were given by Britishers), for many britishers (working for the queen), India was a country to travel and become rich (ever read Narnian stories...the boys father returns from India and brings lot of money). even Hastings and men of his likes became rich by over 300%, they traveled to England with all the looted riches and they were received by a pomp in England. FRANKLY, NO ONE INVADES A POOR COUNTRY (THE PROFITS DOESNT WORKOUT), INDIA WAS A RICH COUNTRY BUT BRITISHERS STRIPED IT OF ITS RICHNESS, THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION WAS FUELED BY INDIAN BLOOD AND SWEAT AND NOT BY A FAT ASSED ENGLISHMAN.
    BUT ENGLAND WAS CURSED BY ITS COLONIAL PAST, WITHIN 20 YEARS OF INDIAN INDEPENDENCE AROUND 120 COUNTRIES WERE FREED FROM COLONIALISM AND BRITISHERS WHICH WERE KNOWN TO BITE WERE REDUCED TO JUST SHOWING TEETH (NO DOUBT IAN FLEMMING GOT IT RIGHT). ANY HOW THE MESS ENGLAND IS IN RIGHT NOW SURELY DEPICT THEIR ABILITIES.
     
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    "By the 1880s the British had invested £270 million in India, not much less than one-fifth of their entire investment overseas."

    The British took about £1 billion from India. So, 2.7% benefit and 97.3% cost for India.
     
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    How did you arrive at that figure ?
     
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    the £270 million is from post#1
    the £1 billion is from a Chinese history program.(I can not think any reason for Chinese to fake the figure.British has the incentive to do that.:cool2:)
    the £1 billion is just for 1757-1815...

    at 17'33'' you can see the Chinese subtitle" 英国人从印度掠走的财富达10亿英镑“
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii5pNAq60W4


    亿=100 million
    10亿 = 1 billion
    英镑 = british pound

    BTW, If you can read Chinese then the reference of this figure can be found at
    林承节:《殖民时期的印度史》,北京大学出版社,2004年第29页
    林承节(Lin, Chengjie)Peking University, department of history,http://web5.pku.edu.cn/en/history/Faculty/linchj.htm
     
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    Nice one. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
     
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    British has the incentive to do that.
     
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    I would like to believe @CCP, but China has a penchant and history for fudging figures and history to suit its purpose and not all her aims are honourable either!

    The ancient tradition of Yumin Zhengce (愚民政策, keeping the masses ignorant so they will follow the leaders) is still at the core of Chinese education and propaganda.

    Yu Min Zheng Ce in Chinese, translated as obscurantism, which means a kind of policy that rulers use to suppress the people thinking and deceive the people, so that the people become ignorant and obedient citizens, and easier to rule. "Yu Min Zheng Ce" influenced Chinese media manipulation a lot and is also said as the root of media manipulation in China. This kind of policy has been found in many Hundred Schools of thought dating back to Warring States period, especially in the thought of Confucianism and Taoism. Here, is just give one example. The founder of Confucianism, also known as the founder of "Yu Min Zheng Ce", Confusion, said "Min Ke Shi You Zhi, Bu Ke Shi Zhi Zhi"(民可使油之不可使知之), which means "People can be allowed to do whatever they want but cannot be taught knowledge" directly showed his opinion.

    Shang Yang (390-338 BC), a prominent scholar and statesman during that period put it: 民愚则易治也 (minyuzeyi zhidian, an ignorant populace is easy to rule).
     
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    If so, India and US should not worry about "China threat" now.:panda:
     
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    Yes in three major spheres :-

    Modern Education ( scientific knowledge & temperament)
    Railways & Postal Services ( communication)
    Military ( unification of the country ?)
     
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    Main question:

    But at what cost?
     
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    Are we worried?

    Which country shrilly wails, when any other countries takes action to boost its own defence capabilities?

    Haven't heard any wails from anywhere but China!

    However, there is no doubt that China is a threat to world peace since it is an irresponsible, hegemonic nation.

    But you won't understand that fact since China is a practitioner of Yumin Zhengce (愚民政策, keeping the masses ignorant so they will follow the leaders).
     
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    What makes people think that if Britisher would had not conquered India and introduced modern technology , India wouldn't have itself able to acquire such technologies and progress in terms of modern values. Japan did it without any substantial outside help
    I think its just the opposite i.e. when all over the world countries were adopting modern technologies and values , India and China were subjugated to the imperalism which stagnated and eventually deterotiated there growth , in terms of technology.

    We have to rise above the notion that Britishers in any way helped India towards modernity as such.

    Some figures point out that in 1757 combined GDP of India and China was 75% of whole world and when these imperalistic power left , it had been reduced to less than 5 or less.
     
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    OK, you can refer to your own post.
     
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    The cost was borne by the pacific like depth of Indian tolerance that is instilled by the vast repertoire of Indian sagacity reposed on us by our ancient sages and saints.

    But that you will not understand since you are a heathen of sorts.

    Even Voltaire said:



    Guess what?

    Even the Chinese proverb sums up the Indian ethos

    We have built windmills every time there came the the wind of change in our history.

    知道了 [zhī dào le]?

    Xie Xie!
     
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    Any wails out there from any non China countries?

    You sure are a bundle of 糊涂(Hútú) [confused] comprehension.

    You are totally 困惑的 [kùn huò de] [delusionary].
     
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    Our world view is benevolent dictatorship ( Ram Rajya ?), it seems to be a recurring theme in our folklore, myth, stories & our yearning !!

    The real world may or may not unfold this way?

    Power is about domination, ascendancy, subjugation and profiteering for some, what do we expect ? benevolence from every one who rules us ?

    Many of our indigenous rulers have been at times more exploitative & profit racketeers than the British. Were they right in fleecing the populace?

    Moral dilemma's ? with no easy answers !!

    If we want eternal Ram Rajya, we need to become strong from within & without, with great moral fibre, ability to be satisfied with less for ourselves ( mera kya & mere ko kya & more devotion & hard work for our country , up to it !!
     
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    No indigenous Hindu ruler was as exploitative as British/Islamists. The British brought down Indian economy's world share to 2%, brought on famines, droughts, killing millions under their 'benevolent' watch.

    But yes, British Raj was beneficial for making political unity of India. There was always cultural unity from ancient times.

    But under the British, the national army was employed in power projection overseas, while under all previous empires/kingdoms their armies were perpetually employed in domestic wars.
     

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