Was Conversion so Difficult to Resist? - Look on Modern Day Pakistanis

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  1. shinoj

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    Now we all know that the Modern Day Pakistanis are nothing but Offsprings of Invaders forcing themselves on Local North Western Ertswhile India and Offsprings of People who were forced into being Muslims from Hindus.

    I have this question which is ringing in my mind since a Long Time.

    Why was it so hard to resist? Why was fighting against the Enemy so difficult an Option? Why didnt you run away and fought Guirella War against the Mughals like the Marathas or the Rajputs did?

    I find it difficult to imagine because there are so many Celebrated Rajput Muslims like Raja (Rameez Raja, Now i know he is a Wimp but still), Ranas,Chaudharies,Khokhar,Ghaghars and so on

    Why? But Why?
     
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    Because pakistanis ancestors were sissies. FULL STOP.

    Pakistan is the most invaded territory in world history. Every Tom, D!ck and Abdul walked in to pakistan unopposed and had their wicked way, enslaving their ancestors, raping their women, looting their lands and destroying universities, temples, etc. The result is ba5tardized, wacky pakistani converts, the indisputable champions for being the number one, most brainwashed and mentally screwed up people on the planet.
     
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    @shinoj

    You have raised a good question but missed a few points
    Actually the question should be

    1) why West Punjab Sindh and BENGAL Converted
    in a wholesale manner

    2 The Muslim rule was ALSO present in Sindh BUT
    Neighbouring GUJARAT remained Hindu

    3) The Gangetic belt from Delhi to UP to Bihar also remained largely Hindu
    But the Conversion of Bengal is a big mystery to me

    So what we see is that Islamists marched from West and East
    So West Punjab and East Bengal succumbed

    But the Central Parts namely East Punjab Haryana UP and Bihar resisted


    Therefore at the time of Partition in 1947 there were TWO distinct
    Muslim Majority areas namely West Punjab and Sindh on the west
    Bengal in the East which became Pakistan and Bangladesh
     
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    True that, but I don't know about martial races in east Bengal but west Punjab was full of them, what the ---- happened to them
     
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    East Bengal was full of aborigine tribes so so much conversions.

    Punjab ( west) ruled for 7 centuries so that high number. People who are mocking at modern day Pakistan are mocking Hindus as it were they who suffered. As late as 1946, Sindh had 27 percent hindu sikh population. Which part in world had that much after 1200 years of Islamic terrorism?
    Kerala was not ruled by Mulsims for even a century and we see 27 pc Muslims there.
    Punjab was on gateway to India, bore brunt of Islamic invaders and modern day Indians are laughing at their sad plight. The resistance of ghokhars was simply remarkable, they killed 5,000 muslims of Ghazanavi in few minutes and also sent Ghuri to hell.
     
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    No need to get your knickers in a twist Pratap. Mocking pakis ancestors and history is halal in my book, they mock mine and yours, the borders have been re-drawn. Tit for tat in the Indo-Pak context is halal. Go to any paki forum and look and laugh at the lies they vomit to hide their shame.

    Pakis reckon they ruled India for 1000 years, when the truth is they did NOT rule jack $hit, they were also ruled by the same invaders/rulers. Pakis are in no position to mock India with such retarded lies and have no right to distort history that is against them.

    Pakis reckon every Tom, D!ck and Abdul walked in to India unopposed, that is not correct, they are mistaking their coward ancestors and their present day territory with India. I only have a very basic knowledge of Indian history, but am aware of many fighters from present day India that fought the invaders and tyrannical rulers.

    etc, etc....
     
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    Mocking Pakistani history ?

    Do they have any ?

    There is nothing called Pakistani history except after 1947 when that country came into existance. Prior to that it is Indian History. Now it is upto Indians to concede if Harrappa is part of Pakistani civilisation or if Bin Kasim attacked India or Pakistan ? Would you like to conced that Porus was a Pakistani ?? My foot...

    That is an absolutely correct position. Before crossing khyber, the invaders always [ Turks and later Mugals] first colonised and beheaded the Afghan Hindus and Budhists [Turki Shahi and Hindu Shahi and later the Moguls will behead and slaghter the Muslims] and established Islam in and around Kabul. I would not even say Islam but their Empires. This process took more than 100 years.



    The Ghuzni ruler gained Kabul. And from Kabul as a base, the Turkish horsemen with some Afghan followers attracted
    by the hope of plunder, invaded the Hindu province next to ts eastern frontier and plundered and weakened it as the result
    of the first year's compaigning. .

    The enemy tribes that broke into' India from the north west were mounted archers and speannen-at first Scythians
    such as Sakus, Huns and Parthians, and from 1000 A.D. onwards Muslims known by the race-name of Turks. These invaders were
    accompani.ed by bands of Afghans as the.ir servants, who fanned a second line and were converted to Islam a century or two
    later than the Turks.

    The Indian border were nibbled year after year and the Islamic dominion pushed deeper and deeper into the North Indian plains. This process continued for centuries, till the foreign flood was arrested and driven back by the wild hills, jungles and earthquakes of ASSalTI and the unta.med valour
    of the Ahom race in the 17th century


    The Turki Shahi Hindu kings of Kabul lost that city and north-west Afghanistan to the Sultans of the SaInana dynasty early in the 10th century. A Turki slave of this dynasty named Alp-Tigin ounded an independent kingdom of his oW.n at Ghazni (reign 950-963). His son Sabuk·"rigin (r. 963-997) attacked Jaipal I, the Hindu king of Eastern Afghanistan, whose capital had been shifted to Ohind (Und), 15 miles north of Attock, where the
    Indus was easier to cross, because that place was above its junction with the Kabul river. In 990 Amir Sabuk-Tigin defeated Jaipal and compelled him to cede Jallalabad (Laghman district, in Eastern Afghanistan) and he thus approached the Khyber Pass. In 991, after defeating Jaipal again, near Kuram, the
    Amir took Peshawar and thus made a lodgement east of the Khyber Pass within easy striking distance of the Panjab plains.

    In 1004 Mahmud made himself master of Multan and Uch (west of Bahu\valpur) and just below the junction of the Indus \vith the other four rivers of the Panjab. In 1005 Mahmud defeated AnandpaI again and placed the old capital Und under a vassal of his own. With the Turks sitting astride the Indus,
    and holding a line of crossing places on it, the natural geographical defence of India was broken and the Muslim penetration of Hindustan becalne an easy thing.


    For these hundred years the Turks and their slaves raped mauled and converted what is known as Pakistan today. They were the first defense of India but their ancestors buckled in exposing India across Sindh.

     
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    In The above post, some of the extracts have been taken from :
    Didital Library of India
    Barcode : 99999990266567
    Title - Military History Of India (1960)
    Author - Sarkar SirJadunath.
    Language - English
    Pages - 189
    Publication Year - 1960
    Barcode EAN.UCC-13

    I could not edit it since Kunal Biswas thinks I am an infringer and I deserve punishment ... Ha Ha Ha...
     
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    Answer my questions truthfully...

    Were not they the same people who forced the Mecedonian Alaxander and his Persian, Turks, Pathans , scythian and Greek legends to return and in fact perish ??

    Were not these the same people who captured Afghanistan many times and converted those people to Hinduism and Budhism...

    Were not those the same people who ruled over Kabul many a times, latest being Maharaja Ranjit Singh ?

    So stop hating your selves and read History the way it should be read.
     
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    Conversion was difficult to resist because of activities of Sufi saints. Lots of forced conversions also happened too. Most notably in contemporary Hinduism there was no place of religious reconversion, so even no people were able to convert to Hinduism, even if they had intention to do so.
     
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    Yes, they were the same people but what happened with the Mughals and the Central Asian Invaders. There is a question in your Post Itself.


    I think it was lack of Spiritual or Religious Leaders in those Parts. I know for sure, Involving in a War and Spirituality has some deep Conncetion.
    There was a Reason Sikh were so successfull in the Wars, that being the presence of Guru Gobind Singh. One War Cry of Bolo Soo Nihaal Sat Sriya Kaal and everybody got turned into a War Machine.

    Now i know Guru Gobind Singh appeared by the time Mughals had already gained a strong foothold but maybe some lack of so strong spiritual leaders in the earlier part of the century from when Quasim attacked Sindh to Ghauri defeating Chauhan. A Spiritual or a Religious Leader certainly could have helped.
     
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    There was about 150 years sustained and continuous pressure on society and states North of Sindh. Having failed through Sindh route to expand into India , the Islam this time chose the North western route to spread its rule into India. Every year between August to February, the Turks rulers who had established themselves in Afghanistan would attack south of Khyber, loot , plunder kill and annex. Their military organisation, horses, mercenary Afghans and tribals were well suited for Lashkar kassi or plundering raids.

    On the part of local kings they fought them for about more than 100 years before they were finally exhausted and conquered. The Indian rulers lacked the size, organisation and resources to sustain more than 100 year's war...


    There was lack of social, economic and military cohesion in that part of society at that time. Whereas Govind Singh's Punjab was divided or organised into misls. Guru Govind Sing galvanised those misls and drew his strength from them (peasantry) thus being able to raise a large Army. and just see the time gap also . Guru Govind Singh did that in 17th century after Nanak had propounded his faith in 16th Century; and we are talking about social conditions of Punjab in the 11th century... when Turks from Afghanistan started Raiding Punjab and subsequently Sindh.
    No comparison..

    Religious leaders definitely play their historical roles. such as Guru Nanak, Guru Govind Singh, Samarth Ram Das (Shivaji's Guru) but initially, the turks were of plunders, looters and slave takers rather than Islamic Jihadies. It was only a century later that having stabilised their rule in Afghanistan, the Jihadi zeal took over them and they started campaigns for Capture of Hindustan and started conversions with sword.
     
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    Sufism came into picture much later.

    Initially and for the large part of history, conversion was with sword and terror.

    Hinduism has to be an adopted and realised religion and there is no conversion involved. People can be Hindus while being a Christians or Budhists. However, India had witnessed mass scale conversion during the time of Buddha.

    This time around it was by force and sword.
     
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    Sindh was the first to give up, wasn't it? It was bin quasim who did the honours

    Whenever there is a long term war, there is enough time got the rulers to make amends and try to do a better job. Afterall the Arabian tribes had the handicap of their own, far away from their lane, fighting on foreign conditions and so on

    There was definitely some ego involved in case of indian rulers

    for example Raja Dahir had withstood the Arabic onslaught got quite some time

    Buy on the event of his last battle he was strongly advised to take help of other kings belonging to interior India and also too keep his family on the interiors so that he doesn't get distracted, but he refused both

    Whatever problems your kingdom is facing Just imagine your enemy is facing almost of the equal magnitude
     
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    In all Acount, They failed in some way.. Now why did they Fail or what they could done to succeed is the Question.
     

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