War between South African Police and South African Army???

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  1. bhramos

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    War between South African Police and South African Army?

    Bloodshed erupted on Pretoria's streets outside the Union Buildings as police and protesting army soldiers openly clashed in running street battles.

    Wednesday's violence was sparked after more than 3 000 soldiers, who stormed past mobile police barricades setup through out the city to try and contain the demonstrators, broke open a gate leading onto the laws of the seat of government.

    Armed with sledgehammers, pangas, knopkieries, knives and other handmade weapons, soldiers under the banner of the South African National Defence Union and South African Security Forces Union taunted police daring the to stop them as they swarmed through the gate.

    Police from the National Intervention Unit, Diplomatic Unit, Air Wing, Public Order Policing Unit and from nearly all of Pretoria's police stations having given soldiers an order to disperse threw stungrenades before they opened fire with rubber bullets.

    26 August 2009,By Graeme Hosken, Pretoria News
     
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  3. Ratus Ratus

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    AND ???

    Funny how the fact this involved a PAY dispute was left out.
    There was/is no war. The whole article is misleading.

    Also where exactly is this little article, the link is just to the front page of that paper. hence is as useful as .........
     
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    ah jurnalism at its worst is more dangerous than a wmd
     
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    Soldiers suspended after march

    Soldiers who were dispersed with rubber bullets and teargas following an illegal march on Wednesday, will be immediately suspended without pay, Defence Minister Lindiwe Sisulu said.

    Between 1 000 and 2 000 soldiers face tough disciplinary action and possible criminal prosecution after a pay increase march on government buildings in capital Pretoria turned violent. Two soldiers were arrested and handed over to the military police.

    "I have instructed the chief of the South African Defence Force to suspend the members who marched today with immediate effect," Sisulu told journalists.

    "All of those that took part in the march will be given leave without pay," she said.

    The march was organised by members of military union SANDU, currently in talks with the defence force for a 30-percent pay rise, but Sisulu cast doubt on the group's further participation in negotiations.

    "We were quite close to reaching a settlement except that SANDU walked out of the discussions and negotiations," she said.

    Describing the group as "thugs", Sisulu said SANDU did not meet the threshold to constitute a union in law, with approximately 15 000 members, only half the number needed for recognition as a trade union.

    "We can reach an agreement without them," Sisulu said of talks involving military forums or groups of soldiers divided according to rank.

    South Africa's defence force has negotiated with soldiers on service conditions following a 1999 ruling by the country's highest court.

    Wednesday's march was the latest of a wave of strikes and protests, as well as above-inflation pay rises, that have increased investor concerns over Africa's biggest economy, suffering its first recession in 17 years.

    The march by soldiers to the government buildings was declared illegal on Tuesday.

    The soldiers were met with teargas and rubber bullets as they tried to climb over a fence leading to the Union Buildings, Sapa news agency reported.

    "As the protesters were leaving they damaged some cars and set alight a military vehicle," SAPA quoted Defence Department spokesperson Ndivhuwo Mabaya as saying. - Reuters

    Pretoria News
     
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    Soldiers suspended after march

    Soldiers who were dispersed with rubber bullets and teargas following an illegal march on Wednesday, will be immediately suspended without pay, Defence Minister Lindiwe Sisulu said.

    Between 1 000 and 2 000 soldiers face tough disciplinary action and possible criminal prosecution after a pay increase march on government buildings in capital Pretoria turned violent. Two soldiers were arrested and handed over to the military police.

    "I have instructed the chief of the South African Defence Force to suspend the members who marched today with immediate effect," Sisulu told journalists.

    "All of those that took part in the march will be given leave without pay," she said.

    The march was organised by members of military union SANDU, currently in talks with the defence force for a 30-percent pay rise, but Sisulu cast doubt on the group's further participation in negotiations.

    "We were quite close to reaching a settlement except that SANDU walked out of the discussions and negotiations," she said.

    Describing the group as "thugs", Sisulu said SANDU did not meet the threshold to constitute a union in law, with approximately 15 000 members, only half the number needed for recognition as a trade union.

    "We can reach an agreement without them," Sisulu said of talks involving military forums or groups of soldiers divided according to rank.

    South Africa's defence force has negotiated with soldiers on service conditions following a 1999 ruling by the country's highest court.

    Wednesday's march was the latest of a wave of strikes and protests, as well as above-inflation pay rises, that have increased investor concerns over Africa's biggest economy, suffering its first recession in 17 years.

    The march by soldiers to the government buildings was declared illegal on Tuesday.

    The soldiers were met with teargas and rubber bullets as they tried to climb over a fence leading to the Union Buildings, Sapa news agency reported.

    "As the protesters were leaving they damaged some cars and set alight a military vehicle," SAPA quoted Defence Department spokesperson Ndivhuwo Mabaya as saying. - Reuters

    Pretoria News
     
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  8. Sridhar

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    Sir if you can look at this link ,

    Pretoria News

    there is article but it seems the newspaper is available only for subscribers

    Rest of the article and some images

    Tshwane police used rubber bullets and teargas to disperse around 1 000 soldiers attempting to gain access to the Union Buildings in Pretoria, the defence department said on Wednesday.

    When a group of protesters tried to climb over the first fence leading onto the property police retaliated with the "necessary force", spokesman Ndivhuwo Mabaya said.

    "As the protesters were leaving they damaged some cars and set alight a military vehicle."

    One protester was slightly injured.

    Earlier on Wednesday the High Court in Pretoria dismissed an application by the SA National Defence Union (Sandu) to force the defence force to allow soldiers to march to the Union Buildings in a protest over wages.

    "Sandu must take responsibility for this. As the ministry of defence and military veterans we are going to be sending Sandu legal documents with a matter of urgency."

    He said damages to state property would also be claimed from the union.

    "It [the protest] was illegal. Sandu has been irresponsible to mobilise and encourage their members."

    Mabaya said the protesters had not been wearing uniform, so it could not be immediately ascertained if they were soldiers, but the process of determining who had not arrived for duty had already begun.

    "If any soldier was involved we are going to take the necessary disciplinary procedures. In the military there are very aggressive steps taken, absent without leave is a very serious crime." - Sapa
    Published on the Web by IOL on 2009-08-26 13:43:36

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    Soldiers' protest turns violent

    26 August 2009, 14:45


    Tshwane police used rubber bullets and teargas to disperse around 1 000 soldiers attempting to gain access to the Union Buildings in Pretoria, the defence department said on Wednesday.

    When a group of protesters tried to climb over the first fence leading onto the property police retaliated with the "necessary force", spokesman Ndivhuwo Mabaya said.

    "As the protesters were leaving they damaged some cars and set alight a military vehicle."

    One protester was slightly injured.

    Earlier on Wednesday the High Court in Pretoria dismissed an application by the SA National Defence Union (Sandu) to force the defence force to allow soldiers to march to the Union Buildings in a protest over wages.

    "Sandu must take responsibility for this. As the ministry of defence and military veterans we are going to be sending Sandu legal documents with a matter of urgency."

    He said damages to state property would also be claimed from the union.

    "It [the protest] was illegal. Sandu has been irresponsible to mobilise and encourage their members."

    Mabaya said the protesters had not been wearing uniform, so it could not be immediately ascertained if they were soldiers, but the process of determining who had not arrived for duty had already begun.

    "If any soldier was involved we are going to take the necessary disciplinary procedures. In the military there are very aggressive steps taken, absent without leave is a very serious crime." - Sapa

    Pretoria News
     

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