Vladimir Putin heads for Pakistan, India watchful

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  1. LETHALFORCE

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    Vladimir Putin heads for Pakistan, India watchful - The Times of India

    NEW DELHI: Russia, India's strongest international partner, is trying its hand at engaging Pakistan, an exercise that will be watched carefully in New Delhi.

    Vladimir Putin, Russian president, will be in Islamabad on September 26 for a "quadrilateral" meeting with Tajikistan, Pakistan and Afghanistan on the future of Afghanistan. Putin will also have a first-ever bilateral summit in Islamabad along with the quadrilateral. The "quadrilateral" last met in Dushanbe in 2011. India and the US recently started a trilateral dialogue with Afghanistan to continue assisting Afghan development after the Nato withdrawal in 2014.

    Indian analysts believe this visit could be the beginning of a deeper strategic realignment that brings together various intersecting interests. Prabhat Shukla, former envoy to Russia, says, "The Russian policy of opening up to Pakistan is a well-settled response to a perceived opening up by India towards the US. We saw it in the late 1960s, again a decade later, and are seeing it being repeated now. If it ever made strategic sense in the 1960s, or even in the late 1970s, it certainly does not now."

    Russia, though, is returning to what it calls its "near abroad". Primary is Russia's increasing interest in the stability of the Central Asian countries, many of whom are threatened by Islamic terrorism that has its roots in the terror groups inside Pakistan. Moscow might see a greater engagement with Islamabad as a way to understand Pakistan's actions. Russia's Pakistani initiative comes as Islamabad's relationship with its principal backer, the US, is determinedly heading south.

    Ronen Sen, former envoy to Moscow and Washington, said, "This is a sign of the re-alignments in anticipation of the Afghanistan withdrawal."

    Russia remains engaged with the US on Afghanistan — Moscow and Washington are in the process of working out a deal to ship a significant amount of Nato equipment out of Afghanistan through the Northern Distribution Network (NDW), which is being used more intensively after Pakistan denied permission for Nato trucks to go through its territory.

    New Delhi will look out for an opening of the arms sales spigot by Russia for Pakistan. Russia, until now, has been the only power to keep Pakistan on its negative list for arms sales. However, in recent years, Russia weighed in with Ukraine to sell tanks to Pakistan. Indians expect to see a beginning in the supply of these spares to Pakistan. "Their ultimate interest would be to sell weapons. We have to watch that carefully," says Rana Banerji, a Pakistan expert and formerly with RAW.

    India has diversified significantly from Russian weapons in recent years. Like the US, Russia fell by the wayside in the MMRCA deal. The nuclear deal with the US and the NSG waiver put India in the US basket, while Russia has been understandably miffed with India's clumsy handling of the nuclear protests at Kudankulam. For its part, India is convinced the Chinese fighter jet carried "leaked" engine designs of the Su fighter that India sourced from Russia. Shukla says, "It would be a loss for India too, if there were to be any diminution of trust or dynamism in the Indo-Russian relationship. It is a trusted relationship, and irreplaceable."

    Russia is moving inexorably into China's power orbit, which could also explain its interest in Pakistan. For Pakistan, an opening with Russia, when the US and other Western countries are turning away from it, is huge. As a way of thumbing its nose at India, the Putin visit will be invaluable.
     
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    asianobserve Elite Member Elite Member

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    Seems like a perfect match.... :kiss:
     
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    Russia is not patient as is China.

    Geostrategic ties maybe what forces Russia, but it will require a quid pro quo for cash strapped Pakistan.
     
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    It's funny how Pakistan always finds someone to get used by.

    Putin is crazy to engage with Pakistan. Rather than look at india and introspect, it's playing with fire. In the short run, it will hurt india to a certain extent if Russia and Pakistan become any sort of allies with Russian weapons flowing in. In the long run as india herself becomes a big power, it will not matter.

    Russia actually will hurt itself by becoming a part of the Chinese checkers. China will hurt Russia someday.
     
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    What China has to do with Russia's relationship with Pakistan? How come Russia becomes China's checker piece? It seems somehow everything here is related to China.
     
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    India should slowly stop the defense ties with Russia any how they failed in delivery time schedule and they sold engines to pak via china...and it will help to curb the 60 years corrupt Indian bureaucracy in defense area....
     
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    China is central piece now in Pakistani policies. Actually helps the Chinese if Russians give Pak weapons. With India "looking" like "falling" to west and Russia being a shadow of it's former self, it's increasingly going to get into Chinese fold.

    Russia's only relevance seems to be weapons sale. It cannot seem to reinvent itself. Partly because couple of their leaders are playing musical chairs between the Prez and PM chairs.
     
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    Actually no. India has to keep Russia on its side. We need to give them enough contracts to keep them away from selling to Pak.
     
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    Russia want access to warm water. They failed in 1980ties . They are trying again now but with friendship not war.

    Interesting to watch for us will be any military sale to pak..:sad::sad::cool2::shocked:
     
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    Military sales to Pakistan started a few years ago
    Refuellers to Pakistan via Ukraine and Engines for
    j-10/j/17.
     
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    Russia always want to warm water,but they are money holy,may be want to sale junk su35,but who will pay the bill
     
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    china want rusia , pakistan and china on a single platform

    we have to look very carefully
     
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    rock127 Maulana Rockullah Senior Member

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    Not just contracts but equal collaboration in making new age defense products like Brahmos so that both countries can have local industries and R&D. Russia knows there is much to gain being with India and v-v.

    It would also keep off pests like Pakis from leeching Russia.
     
  16. LETHALFORCE

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    we need to give less contracts to Russia this policy of appeasement by throwing money
    at them for the last 6 decades is a failure.
     
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    we cant putt all eggs on a single bucket but one thing we can say russia is trusted partner but we can say same thing for usa
     
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    I will believe this when they deliver the Brahmos engine TOT we have paid for
    and waited 10+ years for.
     
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    We can start reverse-engineering then, once the relation deteriorates.
     
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    Yes, we should give them less contracts because of delay in AC Gorshkov and the milking tactics they used on us.We should look for more local R&D and infra.

    But we should collaborate on equal terms(example Brahmos) , we threw away money at them but got defense products we could not make and security conver as well (remember the anti-India US+Pak nexus in 1971) so we cant push the best ally we ever had.Still most of of our defense tech is based on Russia. Russia should be our close ally at least if not the closest.

    back to the topic... we need to wait and watch what Russia is upto regarding Pakis.
     

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