Violence at Maruti Manesar plant: One dead, 40 injured

[Ray]

Too much of industrial violence in Hariyana.

One should move out of Hariyana.

 

[arya]

the problem is that management is not thinking about workers

same thing will happen with the govt then they don't start to think for mango Indians

 

[Ray]

What is a mango Indian?

 

[arya]

What is a mango Indian?

common peoples you can see on the road

india is run by common peoples not by few top management

 

[sob]

Never mind, that is a Honda issue, and I mentioned that only because SOB brought it up.

The issue here is the Maruti plant. Labour issues, unions, pay hike demands, notwithstanding, these peripheral things are deflecting the issue at hand. The issue is a casteist remark starting a violence leading to one man's death, as reported by ToI.

PM, if you believe that a casteist remark is responsible for the violence in Maruti, then I would say that you are not aware of the situation and no point in discussing further on this.

 

[Daredevil]

What is a mango Indian?

Mango Indian == Aam Aadmi = Common Man

 

[Singh]

PM, if you believe that a casteist remark is responsible for the violence in Maruti, then I would say that you are not aware of the situation and no point in discussing further on this.

I have to agree with sob here. Casteist remarks are an obfuscation to hide what is experientially known to a lot of us.

 

[Predator]

Never mind, that is a Honda issue, and I mentioned that only because SOB brought it up.

The issue here is the Maruti plant. Labour issues, unions, pay hike demands, notwithstanding, these peripheral things are deflecting the issue at hand. The issue is a casteist remark starting a violence leading to one man's death, as reported by ToI.

Some supervisor is accused of making the remarks and the workers burnt alive a General Manager.

Don't you find this suspicious? He was in no way connected to the incident. My hunch is this violence was pre-planned.

 

[Mad Indian]

What? Who? Where? When? How? Why?

What about MARUTI DARSHAN AT BAHUCHARAJI?

Vandharai Vazhavaikkum Tamil Nadu

Translation - The state which welcomes immigrants with open arms

Anyway, no labour problems will be allowed to ruin the industries here in our state. They will be crushed mercilessly(as they should be) in our state by the govt. So Let them come here. We will soon solve the Electricity crisis and so that will not be a problem any more:thumb:

 

[pmaitra]

Some supervisor is accused of making the remarks and the workers burnt alive a General Manager.

Don't you find this suspicious? He was in no way connected to the incident. My hunch is this violence was pre-planned.

The HR manager was not connected to the incident? Are you saying that with certainty? The supervisor made casteist remark, then as a retaliation the worker slapped him, and then the worker was suspended. Two wrongs done, and one person punished, and the one who started it is not punished.

Perhaps Maruti Suzuki should be more careful when hiring their managerial staff?

I think you should read this ToI report:

The worker allegedly beat him up following which he was suspended and that triggered the large scale violence. Haryana government and police pledged to take stringent action against those responsible for violence.

Source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ss-confidence-intact/articleshow/15045097.cms

Here is a broad sequence of events:

1. Supersivor hurls casteist abuse against worker.
2. Worker assaults Supervisor.
3. Worker is Suspended, Supervisor is not.
4. HR manager killed by workers.

As I have already said, since the HR manager died, which is indeed sad, most people will not sympathize with the workers.

Objective reaction: Look at all the incidents in the right sequence.
Emotional reaction: Ignore points 1, 2, 3, and focus on point 4. (most posters here are doing that)

Emotional reactions never solve problems.

 

[Zebra]

Vandharai Vazhavaikkum Tamil Nadu

Translation - The state which welcomes immigrants with open arms

Anyway, no labour problems will be allowed to ruin the industries here in our state. They will be crushed mercilessly(as they should be) in our state by the govt. So Let them come here. We will soon solve the Electricity crisis and so that will not be a problem any more:thumb:

:welcome:

After Tata Nano, Narendra Modi to convince Maruti Suzuki bosses to shift operations to Gujarat
20 Jul, 2012, 12.15AM IST, Binoy Prabhakar,ET Bureau

NEW DELHI: Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi will meet senior executives of Suzuki Motor Corp in Japan next week to persuade them to shift the entire operations of its Indian arm Maruti Suzuki to his state from Haryana, evoking parallels with the strategy he employed four years ago to lure the Tata Group......

full article: After Tata Nano, Narendra Modi to convince Maruti Suzuki bosses to shift operations to Gujarat - The Economic Times

 

[Zebra]

Modi to pitch for Suzuki factory during Japan visit

Gyan Varma / New Delhi Jul 20, 2012, 00:52 IST

Gujarat CM Narendra Modi is leaving for Japan on Sunday to convince Suzuki Motor Corporation leadership to substantially scale production at its Gujarat plant from the existing 250,000 cars every year, as the company is regularly facing law and order and labour problems at its plant in Manesar, Haryana.

During his five-day stay in Japan, Modi has decided to spend almost all of July 25 in Hamamatsu, Japan, to meet Shinzo Nakanishi, managing director of Maruti Suzuki and will then have lunch hosted by Osamu Suzuki, chairman of Suzuki Motor Corporation. Modi will board a bullet train to Hamamatsu from Tokyo on the morning of July 25 and is planning to spend an hour at the Suzuki museum later in the day........


Modi to pitch for Suzuki factory during Japan visit

 

[Predator]

The HR manager was not connected to the incident? Are you saying that with certainty? The supervisor made casteist remark, then as a retaliation the worker slapped him, and then the worker was suspended. Two wrongs done, and one person punished, and the one who started it is not punished.

Perhaps Maruti Suzuki should be more careful when hiring their managerial staff?

I think you should read this ToI report:

Source: Maruti's Manesar plant GM(HR) burned to death, 91 workers arrested; government says business confidence intact - The Times of India

Here is a broad sequence of events:

1. Supersivor hurls casteist abuse against worker.
2. Worker assaults Supervisor.
3. Worker is Suspended, Supervisor is not.
4. HR manager killed by workers.

As I have already said, since the HR manager died, which is indeed sad, most people will not sympathize with the workers.

Objective reaction: Look at all the incidents in the right sequence.
Emotional reaction: Ignore points 1, 2, 3, and focus on point 4. (most posters here are doing that)

Emotional reactions never solve problems.

Physical assault of any factory personnel gets you immediately suspended irrespective of the cause of the incident. Managers don't want hooligans among their staff. The person who felt insulted after hearing casteist remarks should have lodged a police complaint instead of beating up his supervisor. Physical assault can be verified but verbal attacks like casteist remarks cant be verified immediately. The manager was right in suspending the violent worker. If only the workers were led by a cool headed leader the tragic murder and violence that day would not have happened.

 

[sob]

Unanswered questions in Maruti’s Manesar violence | Firstpost

Fearing for their lives and careers, the leaders of the Maruti Suzuki Workers Union (MSWU) at the Manesar facility have gone underground. Through most of the day, union general secretary Sarabjeet Singh's phone remained switched off even as president Ram Mehar Singh mailed a signed statement this afternoon alleging that the Maruti management had unleashed bouncers who beat up workers.

It is interesting to note that though the violent clashes on Wednesday (18 July) may not have been triggered by impending wage negotiations, the workers under MSWU have been demanding a five-fold hike! Since a permanent worker takes home about Rs 18,000 a month (including perks), this would mean each worker has demanded close to Rs 90,000 every month in wages!


another question begs an answer: how did the workers, who were apparently working peacefully till the altercation began with a supervisor, suddenly turn into a blood-thirsty mob? Various versions of what happened yesterday abound but company officials alleged that perhaps the workers came prepared to unleash violence.

These officials alleged that when the altercation between the supervisor and one worker remained unresolved, workers rushed to executives' cars parked outside and quickly extracted what is known as a side-impact beam from the doors of these cars. Though this beam is meant to lessen the impact of a collision in the car, workers – who themselves stand on the shopfloor assembling car doors and are quite familiar with car parts – used it to hit management executives on their heads.

But there is every possibility that national trade unions, affiliated to various political parties, would jump in and participate in this standoff between workers and management, just like last year.

 

[pmaitra]

Physical assault of any factory personnel gets you immediately suspended irrespective of the cause of the incident. Managers don't want hooligans among their staff. The person who felt insulted after hearing casteist remarks should have lodged a police complaint instead of beating up his supervisor. Physical assault can be verified but verbal attacks like casteist remarks cant be verified immediately. The manager was right in suspending the violent worker. If only the workers were led by a cool headed leader the tragic murder and violence that day would not have happened.

I might have a different perspective (not a legal one):

1. The first hooligan was the one who made a casteist remark.
2. Verbal abuses are difficult to prove, physical assault is relatively easy to prove.
3. I have full moral support for the worker for retaliating to the casteist supervisor with a slap (or whatever it was). That's just me and no offense to anyone.
4. The HR manager suspended the one who retaliated, but let go of the one who started it. Bad work ethic, and utter dishonesty on part of the management. In other words, he was abetting and grooming casteism in the factory.
5. The workers saw the incident, and saw the skewed justice being dispensed by the imbecilic management. This acted as a catalyst. It is naïve to believe that the HR manager was killed because of the pay issue.
6. The HR manager should not have been killed, and it is sad.
7. If it is a corporate policy to fire some one for assault but not for casteist remark, then it is a flawed policy and needs to be changed. The management should have either fired both on the spot, or should have handed the case to the police and the courts. Again, a bad decision by the management.
8. Finally, we need to reform our labour laws to bring erring managers and workers in line.

 

[arya]

try to see the large picture Indians are losing there patient and some day they will be on road and no army or airfroce will be able to stop them

govt is working for peoples so they have to understand who is the real master

force is for nation not for govt

 

[ani82v]

There is something uniquely wrong with Suzuki. Why is only them who make headlines under labor dispute section every year?

 

[maomao]

Manesar mayhem: Awanish Kumar Dev was an outstanding professional: Maruti official

MANESAR: Awanish Kumar Dev, 49, general manager (HR), who died in the Wednesday evening clash between workers and the management at Maruti's Manesar plant, was described by a Maruti official on Thursday as an outstanding professional who was compassionate and committed to cordial industrial relations.

An MBA from Xavier's Institute of Social Service, Dev had been working with Maruti for the past nine years. His wife, Saparna Dev, is a deputy director with the Union defence ministry and they have a 10-year-old son, Abhiyudeep. Dev was the eldest of two brothers and four sisters. His younger brother runs a medical store in Ranchi while his father is a practising homeopath.

His family members flew to Delhi from Ranchi on Thursday to bring his body back home. Among those who have gone to bring back his body are his father, Rameshwar Sah, his mother, two brothers-in-law and a nephew. "Awanish's parents left for Delhi in the afternoon after getting the sad news," said Ashok Barua, their neighbour in AG Colony, Doranda.

The postmortem report has revealed that he died a gruesome death. According to the report, Dev had died of suffocation and burns which were 100% up to the bones. The tissues were all charred. There were multiple fractures on both his legs, which sources said, was brought on by agitators who broke his legs with an iron rod.

Dr Deepak Mathur, forensic expert at Civil Hospital, said, "It seems that he was severely beaten before death. The body continued to burn even after death."
Dr Mathur added that even though it was almost confirmed that the deceased was Dev, his DNA samples have been preserved for identification purposes. The DNA samples of his father or son would be taken in a couple of days and send to the forensic lab for confirmation. Dev was reportedly recognized by one his relatives by his golden tooth.

The body was handed over to the family on Thursday.

A Maruti official said in a statement, "Awanish was an outstanding professional and team member, compassionate, soft-spoken and deeply committed to cordial industrial relations. In the past year, he had been instrumental in the company taking far-reaching steps to enhance the wellbeing and working conditions of workers at the Manesar Plant".

"We are deeply disturbed by the mob violence and arson at our Manesar Plant on Wednesday evening. Several executives, managers and supervisors were brutally attacked and injured, and nearly 100 of them had to be hospitalized," added the official.

Manesar mayhem: Awanish Kumar Dev was an outstanding professional: Maruti official - The Times of India

 

[Predator]

I might have a different perspective (not a legal one):
The first hooligan was the one who made a casteist remark.

the casteist remark claim is yet to be proved, it could be a cover to start the pre-planned fight.

[*]Verbal abuses are difficult to prove, physical assault is relatively easy to prove.

And that's what i said, management acted based on evidence.

[*]I have full moral support for the worker for retaliating to the casteist supervisor with a slap (or whatever it was). That's just me and no offense to anyone.

You cant morally support violent behaviour, will you support the police if they catch hold of the murderer who killed the GM and shoot him dead?

Let's not take sides in this matter and support those whose hands are soaked in blood.

[*]The HR manager suspended the one who retaliated, but let go of the one who started it. Bad work ethic, and utter dishonesty on part of the management. In other words, he was abetting and grooming casteism in the factory.

We have yet to see the proof for the supposedly offensive casteist remark. The management acted based on the evidence at hand, which proves that a worker assaulted a supervisor, which is the proper way to act in such situations.

[*]The workers saw the incident, and saw the skewed justice being dispensed by the imbecilic management. This acted as a catalyst. It is naïve to believe that the HR manager was killed because of the pay issue.

HR manager was innocent in this matter, he wasn't the person who made the supposedly remark. All he did was act on the evidence provided. No management tolerates violence among its workers.

[*]The HR manager should not have been killed, and it is sad.

Agreed

[*]If it is a corporate policy to fire some one for assault but not for casteist remark, then it is a flawed policy and needs to be changed. The management should have either fired both on the spot, or should have handed the case to the police and the courts. Again, a bad decision by the management.

Again it's premature to jump to conclusion when there is no evidence to prove the casteist remark was made. The trade unions were itching for a fight by making exorbitant demands like Rs.90,000/ month salary.

[*]Finally, we need to reform our labour laws to bring erring managers and workers in line.

Certainly there should be a clause which penalises violent trade union activists by giving them exemplary punishment and fines for recovery of the lost income due to such instigated attacks.

 

[sob]

There is something uniquely wrong with Suzuki. Why is only them who make headlines under labor dispute section every year?

The problem is not confined to Maruti. The problem is in Manesar area. Earlier a few years back the workers at Honda plant went on a rampage. they assaulted even the cops. The local SP had both his arms with multiple fractures. Then earlier in the year there were reports of violence at Orient Craft, and some other garment units. And now it is the turn of Maruti. I have a feeling that some Trade Union is very active in this region, as on the whole Gurgaon area does not have much of Industrial Disputes.